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Group, welcome moderator Andy Baird!
Yahoo Message Number: 24576
Andy has graciously agreed to lend his expertise to our group's management. As a sidenote - but not unrelated - the photos section is full. Until a solution is found, please do not try to add anything.
The files section is still available. Thanks.

Steve
2004 FL
2013 Honda Fit
Re: Group, welcome moderator Andy Baird!
Reply #1 –
Yahoo Message Number: 24592
Thanks to Andy for agreeing to be a moderator.  He certainly is qualified!  :^)

Sharon N.
Re: Group, welcome moderator Andy Baird!
Reply #2 –
Yahoo Message Number: 24595
"Thanks to Andy for agreeing to be a moderator."
 Glad to help out...just bear in mind that there are some things only Yahoo can fix! ;-)

Andy Baird :-)
Andy Baird
2021 Ford Ranger towing 2019 Airstream 19CB
Previously: 1985 LD Twin/King "Gertie"; 2003 LD Midbath "Skylark"
Re: Group, welcome moderator Andy Baird!
Reply #3 –
Yahoo Message Number: 24600
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Andy has graciously agreed to lend his expertise to our group's management.> Steve
I hardly feel adequate to welcome Andy, since I'm new and don't even own a LD. But...Welcome Moderator Andy!
 Now lets get down to the business of Yahoo still giving me an excuse on trying to enter the photo's section. I know....I know...You all have those special pictures of LD's in there....That shot of the 30' LD with it's long long wheelbase...And we all know the 23.5' takes the best centerfold, since it's rear dually appears that much wider versus it's length....and the classic beauty of a 26.5' in all it's glory au'natural....

I know...I know... we're being saved from ourselves....but....
"enquiring minds wanna know!"

RonP....VBG
Re: Photo section
Reply #4 –
Yahoo Message Number: 24608
"Now lets get down to the business of Yahoo still giving me an excuse on trying to enter the photo's section."
 Well, I did a little poking around with my newly acquired superpowers ;-) and the situation looks pretty simple: we plumb done run outta room. Yahoo gives us 30 MB for photos; we have 30.18 MB in there now. Ergo, no more uploads permitted until we slim down that area.

We could do a number of things about this.
 We could ask everyone to delete photos that they think are unnecessary...but as Steve points out (in private email), "that would only be a temporary kluge, and for historical purposes, some valuable info could be lost."
 We could arbitrarily delete photos from anyone who's no longer a member of this group (unless, of course, they looked really, really important).
 We could ask people to upload photos instead to the Files section, which still has 20 MB free. Drawback: you can't view those images online the way you can the ones in the Photos section. You have to download 'em and then open 'em.
 We could move the whole photo kit and kaboodle (or just new uploads) to a free photo-sharing site like Ofoto or Shutterfly. Drawback: not connected directly with this site.
 We could pay money to Yahoo and get more storage space. Drawback: the obvious. I mean, it's not like we can hold a bake sale. ;-) I haven't checked yet to see how much it would cost...I'll look into it.
 We could ask people to use their own web space instead wherever possible. Every internet service provider I know of gives each user at least 5 MB of web server space per account, and supplies easy kindergarten-level online tools for making web pages.
Now, I know this is a daunting idea for some, and I wouldn't want to pressure anyone...but you more adventurous souls might want to consider giving it a try. It's really easier than you think.
 By way of example, take a look at http://www.bishoppottery.com>, a website created by a fulltiming former art teacher who had never made a web page in her life until last week. If she can do it... ;-) Well, as I said, it's something to think about.
Anybody who moves their photos to a personal website will be taking that much load off the storage space here. I've already done it with mine...they're all on  www.andybaird.com/travels>.
 Those are the possibilities I've come up with. Anybody else have any good ideas?

Andy Baird :-)
Andy Baird
2021 Ford Ranger towing 2019 Airstream 19CB
Previously: 1985 LD Twin/King "Gertie"; 2003 LD Midbath "Skylark"
Re: Photo section
Reply #5 –
Yahoo Message Number: 24612
Andy, perhaps a second Yahoo web site could be created called:
 lifewithalazydazerv_2      and have people place their pictures there

instead. It would give you another 30MB of space for pictures.

Also most all the web tools on the column at the left such as

messages, links, database, files etc. could be shut off so as just

to set up the site for photos.

An important point for all members to keep in mind when they upload

photos is that they UNCHECK the box that says:

( ) KEEP ORIGINAL VERSION FOR ORDERING PRINTS. By UNCHECKING THAT

BOX, they greatly reduce the space used  on the site. They will see

this box during the uploading process.

For a little more info on this see message # 3 for an example on my

web site:
 http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/THE_LAZY_DAZE_30_FT_ISLAND_BED/

Just my 2 cents

JC

show you and example.
Re: Photo section
Reply #6 –
Yahoo Message Number: 24617
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"Now lets get down to the business of Yahoo still giving me an excuse on trying to enter the photo's section."
 Well, I did a little poking around with my newly acquired superpowers ;-) and the situation looks pretty simple: we plumb done run outta room. Yahoo gives us 30 MB for photos; we have 30.18 MB in there now. Ergo, no more uploads permitted until we slim down that area.

We could do a number of things about this.
How about the way Escapees handles their campgrounds? First in, first out. If a new camper arrives to find the campground full, he spends the first night in the overflow area. The next day, the camper who's been there longest must leave to make room.
So, periodically clean out the oldest 20% of the pictures. We'll all have more reason to check out the photos section: less of what we've already seen and more room for something new. And it minimizes the burden on the moderators, though you might reserve the right to preserve something with long-term reference value.

Terry

Palo Alto, CA
Terry
2003 26.5'RB
Gardnerville, NV
Re: Photo section
Reply #7 –
Yahoo Message Number: 24620
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Those are the possibilities I've come up with. Anybody else have
any good ideas?

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Andy Baird :-)
I believe we all would trust you to make photo deletion decisions, Andy.  Why not move any "enhancement" type photos to the links section.  I've never been able to delete the photos of the 2000 models I posted; others may have that problem - just whack 'em outa there for us!  Proud owner photos that have been there for a while or for sale photos could/should be deleted.  I tried to check the albums but couldn't get in so can't make specific recs.  Actually, the most valuable photos are the enhancement type photos and I believe there is another site that those could be moved to.

Chris Horst
Formerly: 2002 30' IB
Re: [Life With A Lazy Daze RV] Re: Photo section
Reply #8 –
Yahoo Message Number: 24621
Andy,  we would be happy to host the orphan photos on our site.  Our domain is registered for the next 9-10 years and our web hosting is paid up for the next five ... so we won't be going anywhere soon.
 Or, if you would like, we went ahead and registered lazydaze.us (www dot lazydaze dot us) for the next decade.  Since there are a lot of "us" ... it seemed like a good choice :)
 We will go ahead and set up the hosting for the next couple of years.
Ipowerweb has a good deal for 500 meg of storage, with 30gig of transfer/traffic per month.  That should be more than enough to cover our needs for a while.
 Since a lot of the questions keep coming up as new members join, Yuli and I have been going back through the archives to break down the more common subjects and questions by category, and the replies that were posted.  It's not a fast process but it has been VERY interesting.  New members would benefit by having the previously asked questions and answers group by category, and older members would benefit by not having to repeat previous material as often, or would be able to focus on more detailed questions.

Those were our thoughts, we would welcome any additional comments, questions, or concerns.  We have several people that have web skills who could help manage if they felt the occasional urge.  I doubt we would host a site forum though, with the yahoo group being so active, it would be silly to try and reinvent the wheel.  It would be much better to provide a link to the LD yahoo groups.
 Let us know what you all think.  The registration is complete and the hosting will be set up for 2 years initially.  That would give the group plenty of breathing room and the opportunity to be as creative as we would like.  We can even give the Seattle Wieners their own section :)  :]

Hugh and Yuli
Re: [Life With A Lazy Daze RV] Re: Photo section
Reply #9 –
Yahoo Message Number: 24632
Andy, and other admins,

This very subject has popped up on another list I'm on, and here is some info they posted.  Perhaps this can help?
 -A note about posting pics to the main group. As you can understand I am sure with 1700 members we fill quickly our amount of allotted space for albums! There is actually more space left. The way yahoo set up the photos section was kinda silly. The files are set up with so much space per album and if someone post an album with one pic in it then it still takes up the same amount of room as if they had added 30 pics. You will notice in the photos section there are albums named all members photos. The reason they are there is so everyone can post photos in the albums and use up the space. Please, If you have a album with only a few photos change the album so others can add photos also we just don't have the room for everyone to have there own album on the club!

On the subject of cleaning up personal photos.  I have a subdirectory under "Victor's 91 MB" called "damage".  I have never been able to remove it.  So it can be removed with all the photos under it.  Once we can access the photo section again, I will downsize my existing photos or move them to my personal site (whenever that happens).

-Victor
Re: Photo section
Reply #10 –
Yahoo Message Number: 24636
Thanks for your 'SuperPower' work.

For my 2 cents worth, I would say use your judgement and delete any and all photos that you don't see a lasting value to.  The posters can always re-post them if they feel strongly about them.

There are lots of orphan photos left over from earlier 'club' days that the poster can no longer delete.

Barry 26.5' RB red TX
Re: Photo section
Reply #11 –
Yahoo Message Number: 24641
"we would be happy to host the orphan photos on our site. Let us know what you all think."
 I think that's the best offer I've heard yet. :-) Sounds good to me! We can link to the site from the Yahoo "Links" list of this group. (I'm in the process of cleaning it up right now.)
 Only one qualm: I'm concerned about using the domain "lazydaze.us." If I were the Newtons (or just about any othe rcopmpany), I'd be very uncomfortable with that.
Look at it from their point of view: suppose a thread arises on lazydaze.us about trouble with an LD rig...suppose somebody gets into a head-butting contest with the company and posts a lot of derogatory stuff...they certainly don't want prospective buyers stumbling onto the lazydaze.us website and falling into the middle of that kind of flamewar.
 Also, I know that ICANN has pretty consistently taken "sounds like a known company" domain names (things like pepsi.net) away from registrants and given them to the owners of the trademarks...so there's a real possibility that if and when the Newtons find out about lazydaze.us and object, that domain could evaporate. So I think it'd be best to use a different name. If you'd rather not use yuliya.net, then let's register something like ld-owners.com that will elicit no objections. I'll be happy to underwrite the domain registration fee, since you are providing the server space.
 Many thanks for your generous offer! Let's talk offline about how to set it up and where to go from here.

Andy Baird :-)
Andy Baird
2021 Ford Ranger towing 2019 Airstream 19CB
Previously: 1985 LD Twin/King "Gertie"; 2003 LD Midbath "Skylark"
[Life With A Lazy Daze RV] Re: Photo section
Reply #12 –
Yahoo Message Number: 24643
Thanks for the information from your other group, Victor! There's some new stuff to ponder there.
 "The way yahoo set up the photos section was kinda silly. The files are set up with so much space per album and if someone post an album with one pic in it then it still takes up the same amount of room as if they had added 30 pics."
 It's hard to believe they'd do anything that dumb. (Of course, we are talking about Yahoo here... ;-) But then I can't see how to verify it one way or the other, since the folder sizes aren't listed (unless I'm missing something). Anyway, the implication is that if we put all our photos into one or two folders, we'd have more space.
Unfortunately, that would make it a major pain to organize things.
 I'm wondering if in the long run we might not be better off moving ALL the photos (the ones that are worth keeping, anyway) to another server, emptying out our present photos area, and posting a single dummy folder there with the notation "TO UPLOAD OR VIEW PHOTOS, PLEASE GO TO http://WWW.LD-OWNERS.COM." (Or whatever).
 "I have a subdirectory under 'Victor's 91 MB' called 'damage'...it can be removed with all the photos under it."
 I took a look, but it's not there now. Perhaps one of the other moderators has already removed it. I'll be looking through the Photos area in the next few days to see what can reasonably be pruned, but in the long run I think Hugh and Yuli's generous offer is our best bet. Bolshoye spasibo! :-)

Andy Baird :-)
Andy Baird
2021 Ford Ranger towing 2019 Airstream 19CB
Previously: 1985 LD Twin/King "Gertie"; 2003 LD Midbath "Skylark"
Re: [Life With A Lazy Daze RV] Re: Photo section
Reply #13 –
Yahoo Message Number: 24646
We completely concur about the possible conflict in the naming issue.  After looking at lazydaze .net and .org, we think a disclaimer and a notice at the beginning of the web pages notifying the public that we are NOT affiliated with the company, and merely owners of the product (etc. etc. etc.), and at the same time providing a link to the company site within the notice, should satisfy any issue that might arise.  We do not want to infringe on any trademark and would welcome the Newton's comments or concerns as the site is being put up.  If they have concerns, it will not be a problem to move it to another domain name.  However, since everything has already been paid for to cover the next few years, our first choice would be to give it a try :]
 I doubt the issue of negative press/threads/flamewars will arise within the site itself, we have no intent (or desire) to replace this forum.  Our goal was to link back to the various discussion groups already being hosted in Yahoo.  The web site was going to be a compilation of information already posted within the group (in a FAQ-type format), travel journals for anyone that wanted post their adventures but didn't have their own site, and anything else of interest that is tossed around within the group. :) We though that maybe a centralized repository, with more flexibility than Yahoo can currently provide, was the best answer.
 The registration process is already done and paid for (10 years), as well as the hosting arrangements (2 years).  We have been poking around in the control panel for the site management and there are a lot of interesting features built in like database management among other things.  The site management is granular enough to allow different people control over as much or as little as needed.
 We will get with you offline, but wanted to post this reply in the event anyone else has concerns about the domain name we went with.  Sometimes we move a little too quickly for our own good!  Sorry about that.

Hugh and Yuli
Re: Photo section
Reply #14 –
Yahoo Message Number: 24648
If one of you moderators can get to it, I think there's a photo folder called Mz. Daisy. You can chuck it.

Sarah

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[Life With A Lazy Daze RV] Re: Photo section
Reply #15 –
Yahoo Message Number: 24651
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We completely concur about the possible conflict in the naming
issue.  After
 
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looking at lazydaze .net and .org, we think a disclaimer and a
notice at the
 
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beginning of the web pages notifying the public that we are NOT affiliated with the company, and merely owners of the product (etc. etc.
etc.), and at
 
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the same time providing a link to the company site within the
notice, should
 
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satisfy any issue that might arise.  We do not want to infringe on any trademark and would welcome the Newton's comments or concerns as
the site is

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being put up.
Folks:

Perhaps it would be wise to contact the Newtons now, before this great project goes too far forward, and make sure they buy into it.

Chris Horst
Formerly: 2002 30' IB
Re: [Life With A Lazy Daze RV] Re: Photo section
Reply #16 –
Yahoo Message Number: 24655
Perhaps it would be wise to contact the Newtons now, before this great project goes too far forward, and make sure they buy into it.

Chris Horst

 We agree, but we would prefer to put up a sample page or two so folks could actually see what was being discussed.  :)

Hugh and Yuli

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Re: Photo section
Reply #17 –
Yahoo Message Number: 24663
"we think a disclaimer and a notice at the beginning of the web pages notifying the public that we are NOT affiliated with the company, and merely owners of the product ...should satisfy any issue that might arise."
 I expect it probably would. Understand, I wasn't really expecting any flamewars or Lazy Daze bashing sessions...just pointing out the sort of thing that any company worries about when somebody puts up a site with a similar name.
 "The web site was going to be a compilation of information already posted within the group (in a FAQ-type format), travel journals for anyone that wanted post their adventures but didn't have their own site, and anything else of interest that is tossed around within the group."
 That would be tremendously helpful! Thanks again for taking the initiative on this.

-- Andy Baird
Andy Baird
2021 Ford Ranger towing 2019 Airstream 19CB
Previously: 1985 LD Twin/King "Gertie"; 2003 LD Midbath "Skylark"
Re: Photo section
Reply #18 –
Yahoo Message Number: 24665
"We agree, but we would prefer to put up a sample page or two so folks could actually see what was being discussed."

Yes, I think this is a good idea.

-- Andy Baird
Andy Baird
2021 Ford Ranger towing 2019 Airstream 19CB
Previously: 1985 LD Twin/King "Gertie"; 2003 LD Midbath "Skylark"
Re: Photo section
Reply #19 –
Yahoo Message Number: 24673
I've deleted a few older items from the Photos section in order to get below the 30MB limit. We are still at 95% of capacity and getting a red warning message, so it's best if you hold off on posting anything new there...but at least you can now get in there if there's anything you want to delete. I've also deleted all "for sale" ads older than 3 months from the Files section.

-- Andy Baird
Andy Baird
2021 Ford Ranger towing 2019 Airstream 19CB
Previously: 1985 LD Twin/King "Gertie"; 2003 LD Midbath "Skylark"
Re: Photo section
Reply #20 –
Yahoo Message Number: 24679
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"We agree, but we would prefer to put up a sample page or two so
folks could

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actually see what was being discussed."

Yes, I think this is a good idea.

-- Andy Baird
Makes sense to me.
 Andy, glad you have joined the moderator ranks.  Thanks for all your good advice and commentary over the past several years.

Chris Horst
Formerly: 2002 30' IB