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Re: Fogged Windows
Reply #50 –
2003 TK Rear Window Replacement Update:

Just an FYI: I'm offering information on my experience because some owners have indicated an interest in the options for replacing fogged windows. The information provided reflects only my particular job(s); your costs and experience may be different.

The rear window on my 2003 TK was replaced at the factory on October 22. The cost of the window itself was $845.00; gasket and sealant were charged separately. Because I had additional work done, i.e., a new awning and three interior shades, labor charges ($90.00 per hour) were inclusive for all jobs, so I can't say  what the specific charge was for installing just the window.

The window was sealed in with two tubes (per the billing) of Loctite PL S40; Vince (and Todd) reiterated that they have never used butyl tape to seat/seal the windows. I still have to do a bit of "clean up" of the old sealant residue around the window and re-seal around the frame; they did run a bead of Loctite around the frame, but it needs tidying up!  ;)  I will clean off any remaining residue, tape off the frame and surrounding surfaces and bead with 5200. (Will also re-check the weep holes to make sure that the new window doesn't have any "stuff" to block water outflow.)

Note: Vince reported a very slight amount of rust on one screw that was removed from the plastic shade string "holder"; the screw penetrates into the back wall. (Increased heart rate resulted from that information!) Thankfully, there was no water damage when the window was removed; I doubted there would be, but one never knows!

It will be interesting to hear of others' experiences with window replacements at the factory and/or from replacements and/or "de-fogging" done by other businesses; please post if you have this job done. Thank you.

Joan



2003 TK has a new home
Re: Fogged Windows
Reply #51 –
Quote from: JCT  - 
2003 TK Rear Window Replacement Update:

The rear window on my 2003 TK was replaced at the factory on October 22. The cost of the window itself was $845.00; gasket and sealant were charged separately. Because I had additional work done, i.e., a new awning and three interior shades, labor charges ($90.00 per hour) were inclusive for all jobs, so I can't say  what the specific charge was for installing just the window.

Joan


That price is consistent with what Vince quoted me on our three windows several months ago. He stated that they figure 3 hours per window for labor. His total ballpark cost was $1,100 per window.

Coincidentally, we are sitting at the Phoenix location of RV Glass Solutions. Their main location is in Coburg, OR. RV Glass Solutions, Motorhome Side Window Repair

We are having those three windows repaired today. They also offer replacement with either insulated glass or laminated glass. We looked at a sample of the laminated glass and don't think it is as dark as the glass used by LD. They claim that the laminated glass would add about 5 pounds of weight per glass piece. However, only the Coburg location cuts new glass.

Cost to repair is $325 per window. The work is guaranteed for 2 years.

Jim
Re: Fogged Windows
Reply #52 –
Jim, please report your experience with the Phoenix shop repair; thanks.

Joan
2003 TK has a new home
Re: Fogged Windows
Reply #53 –
Quote from: JCT  - 
Jim, please report your experience with the Phoenix shop repair; thanks.

Joan

Will do. I can say this much. The facility looks good and they have a secure lot with three 50 amp hookups. We arrived last night.

They have just removed the first window in the living room and it was not installed with butyl tape but used double adhesive foam tape and then a bead of caulk around the outside edge. Based on my contact with various repair shops double sticky foam tape appears to be the standard. You can see an installation here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MuVSRpjGCA

No sign of water intrusion on the first one, at least.

I will follow up with a comment once finished. Of course, only time will tell how long the repair will last. My guess would be that they should hold up as well as the original.

Jim
Re: Fogged Windows
Reply #54 –
Are there anymore pictures of the replacement other than the one posted on the blog?
1997 TK
Re: Fogged Windows
Reply #55 –
Quote from: Craig P  - 

Are there anymore pictures of the replacement other than the one posted on the blog?

Attaching what I have.

It took all day to finish the job with two working on it. They used a black polyurethane sealant/adhesive completely around the circumference after installation. The windows look great and as an added bonus they are incredibly easy to open and close now. I can only assume that was from a cleaning of the interior of the frame.

Total cost was $975 so no additional charges for materials.

Now only time will tell how long the re-sealing will hold up.

Not sure that the other photos will tell you anything helpful.

Jim
Re: Fogged Windows
Reply #56 –
Did they remove the blinds and valences or did you have to do that?
Re: Fogged Windows
Reply #58 –
Thank you for all the helpful information and pictures.

Bob
2007 31 IB
Re: Fogged Windows
Reply #59 –
I will post details later, but I felt I needed to advise any LD owners to not use Suncoast Designers in Hudson, FL

They bent the frames prying them out of the Loctite sealant the Mothership uses. The frames were hammered back into shape. Perhaps they will be OK.

The painter's tape used pulled off the paint in two places. It also removed a bit of paint from the Huer frames.
The General Manager attributed the paint removal to a poor paint job and shoddily built RV.

The upside is the windows are clean.
Don & Dorothy
Sold our LD in June of 2023

Our boring always non-PC travel blog
Traveling Dorothy
Re: Fogged Windows
Reply #60 –

"I will post details later, but I felt I needed to advise any LD owners to not use Suncoast Designers in Hudson, FL
They bent the frames prying them out of the Loctite sealant the Mothership uses. The frames were hammered back into shape. Perhaps they will be OK.
The painter's tape used pulled off the paint in two places. It also removed a bit of paint from the Huer frames.
The General Manager attributed the paint removal to a poor paint job and shoddily built RV.

The upside is the windows are clean."

Don, sorry to learn of your bad experience. But thank you for the candid report.

Steve K.

Steve K

2003 Mid-bath
Re: Fogged Windows
Reply #61 –
I have posted to The Companion our experience with Suncoast Designers of Hudson, Florida.

If you have had your windows de-fogged by anyone, please post your review here.
Don & Dorothy
Sold our LD in June of 2023

Our boring always non-PC travel blog
Traveling Dorothy
Re: Fogged Windows
Reply #62 –
I was leery of having a window "de-fogging" done and instead had the factory replace the rear window; the report of this experience makes me glad that I did!  :o

I understand that access to the factory is not at all convenient for many owners, and window replacement is definitely more expensive that the de-fogging prices that I've read. Hopefully, others have had more positive experiences with a "de-fogging" job on their LDs?
2003 TK has a new home
Re: Fogged Windows
Reply #63 –
Don, thank you for posting this. I am sorry you had such a bad experience getting your windows serviced. And even worse getting any satisfaction from the owner of the company.

Can I ask you how you decided to use this company? Are you going to have them try again on the window that has already leaked?

I would have no confidence that the windows were reinstalled properly.

Good luck,
Steve K
Steve K

2003 Mid-bath
Re: Fogged Windows
Reply #64 –
I posted our experience with photos here. Fogged Windows

Four months later we have been through plenty of rain with no sign of leaks. There was no damage to frames and we were happy with our experience.

Jim
Re: Fogged Windows
Reply #65 –
Good deal Jim. I sure wish I had recalled your post. I pasted together your several posts here and added it The Companion.

Also "discovered" another article in The Companion labeled foggy windows that discusses a lot of window topics. It's now labeled Fogged Windows and Windows.

It's worth mentioning that the factory sealing method described by others did not match the way ours was done. Our windows were almost welded in with Loctite.
Don & Dorothy
Sold our LD in June of 2023

Our boring always non-PC travel blog
Traveling Dorothy
Re: Fogged Windows
Reply #66 –
Still hoping that someone who has had their windows defogged would post about their experience.
Don & Dorothy
Sold our LD in June of 2023

Our boring always non-PC travel blog
Traveling Dorothy
Re: Fogged Windows
Reply #67 –
This window was fogged worse two days after leaving Suncoast than before they touched it.
Now after two months it looks like this.

Planning to have another firm re-do it.
Don & Dorothy
Sold our LD in June of 2023

Our boring always non-PC travel blog
Traveling Dorothy
Re: Fogged Windows
Reply #68 –
If you head anywhere near Coburg, OR you should check the company we used.

Jim
Re: Fogged Windows
Reply #69 –
I was planning using their Phoenix location. It's as much out of our way as is their Oregon location.
You have a preference?
Don & Dorothy
Sold our LD in June of 2023

Our boring always non-PC travel blog
Traveling Dorothy
Re: Fogged Windows
Reply #70 –
Quote from: Don Malpas  - 
I was planning using their Phoenix location. It's as much out of our way as is their Oregon location.
You have a preference?

Nope, I was guessing you wouldn't be going near Phoenix. However, if you wanted to try their solid piece of glass as a replacement the glass is cut at the Coburg main location. They can do it in Phoenix but it has to be cut and shipped to them.

Jim
Re: Fogged Windows
Reply #71 –
Quite tardy on posting this, but we used RV Glass Solutions Phoenix location to defogged a window. Very pleased with their work. A new window might be the best choice, but this option costs 1/5 as much. They spent 4 hours on one window. Suncoast spent the same amount of time on five windows.

Their main location is in Coburg, OR.
Don & Dorothy
Sold our LD in June of 2023

Our boring always non-PC travel blog
Traveling Dorothy
Re: Fogged Windows
Reply #72 –
I will chime in again to say that our windows are still doing fine since the repair on 11/8.

Jim
Re: Fogged Windows
Reply #73 –
Any advice on how to get a smaller side window replaced in Albuquerque?  It's cracked. 
I love my Lazy Daze.  I just dewinterized it and some of my neighbors came out to help and offer advice ( we have an RV storage site attached to my community) ...  Because it is so cute!
AlphPup
 2001 TK “Dazi”
Re: Fogged Windows
Reply #74 –
My first thought would be to contact local glass dealers and see if you can get a close match.

My second thought would be to contact
RV GLASS SOLUTIONS
91302 N COBURG INDUSTRIAL WAY
COBURG, OR 97408
541-393-5895

They can cut glass to any size. They have a place in Phoenix that can measure and install it.
Don & Dorothy
Sold our LD in June of 2023

Our boring always non-PC travel blog
Traveling Dorothy