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Re: owners manual for 1985 Lazy Daze
Reply #1 –
Yahoo Message Number: 156659
My only suggestion would be to call the Lazy Daze Factory and see if they have anything on file or otherwise available.  If you decide to call the factory, you might ask them which years of Lazy Dazy are similar to your 1985.  It could be that a LD manual from an earlier or later model year might cover your coach?

If I had one, I'd get Office Depot to make a copy and mail it to you, but my manual would not help you.

Ed & Margee Fort Worth
Re: owners manual for 1985 Lazy Daze
Reply #2 –
Yahoo Message Number: 156661
Many years ago, the Forum tried to get permission from LD to copy yearly revisions and have them available for used owners looking for missing copies of the Owner's Manual.
LD refused and reminded us that it is copyrighted material.

Don't know if LD sells old manuals but there are many of them out there.
Maybe a Forum member, with an older LD, will copy or scan their manual for you.
A manual a couple years newer or older will contain almost identical information, there were not a lot of changes during that time period, in the coach.

On another note, finding a Factory Service Manual for the Chevy G-30 chassis would also be a good find.
Very few mechanics out there today who have worked vehicles that old, especially the carburetor and primative emission system.
I do not miss our old 1983 LD's Quadrajet carburetor in the least, being one of hardest carbs to work on and calibrate.

In love with port fuel injection.

Larry
Larry
2003 23.5' Front Lounge, since new.  Previously 1983 22' Front Lounge.
Tow vehicles  2020 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon, 2001 Jeep Cherokee
Photo Collection: Lazy Daze
Re: owners manual for 1985 Lazy Daze
Reply #3 –
Yahoo Message Number: 156663
Thank you Larry.  I have contacted them.  They don't have anything for this year or should I say this old

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From:"lw5315us@... [lifewithalazydazerv]" Date:Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 9:27 AM Subject:[LD] Re: owners manual for 1985 Lazy Daze

Many years ago, the Forum tried to get permission from LD to copy yearly revisions and have them available for used owners looking for missing copies of the Owner's Manual.
LD refused and reminded us that it is copyrighted material.

Don't know if LD sells old manuals but there are many of them out there.
Maybe a Forum member, with an older LD, will copy or scan their manual for you.
A manual a couple years newer or older will contain almost identical information, there were not a lot of changes during that time period, in the coach.

On another note, finding a Factory Service Manual for the Chevy G-30 chassis would also be a good find.
Very few mechanics out there today who have worked vehicles that old, especially the carburetor and primative emission system.
I do not miss our old 1983 LD's Quadrajet carburetor in the  least, being one of hardest carbs to work on and calibrate.

In love with port fuel injection.
Larry
Re: owners manual for 1985 Lazy Daze
Reply #4 –
Yahoo Message Number: 156665
I wonder if the factory would allow copies of LD manual that are of a certain vintage or for manuals that are out of print?  I could see that those would be invaluable to good many folks.  However, I would not presume to make the call to the factory as I have no standing regarding this matter.

Ed & Margee Fort Worth
Re: owners manual for 1985 Lazy Daze
Reply #6 –
Yahoo Message Number: 156667
I don't understand the factory mindset on not allowing copies of the older manuals. I would think an owner with the proper manual would be empowered to maintain the rig better, and the brands image would only be improved. If anyone needs a copy of the 2001 manual I would be glad to offer it.

bobmoore14
2001 23.5 TK
Re: owners manual for 1985 Lazy Daze
Reply #7 –
Yahoo Message Number: 156668
If you want to copyright material you must vigorously enforce the Copyright!

Fred

2003 26.5 RB
Re: owners manual for 1985 Lazy Daze
Reply #9 –
Yahoo Message Number: 156677
Hi Cindy,

Thank you so very much.  Someone pdf'd one to me off the list from their private email.  Once again thank you!!

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From:"traxless@... [lifewithalazydazerv]" Date:Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 2:11 PM Subject:Re: [LD] Re: owners manual for 1985 Lazy Daze

"I have a 1986 LD would be glad to share the manual.  Contact me off list at angcdt athotmail.comand I can scan and send. Cindy "

Twaz very kind of you to offer and so I want to say thank you Cindy!

Ed & Margee Fort Worth
Re: owners manual for 1985 Lazy Daze
Reply #10 –
Yahoo Message Number: 156692
"I would think an owner with the proper manual would be empowered to maintain the rig better, and the brands image would only be improved."

I completely agree, Bob.

Andy Baird
Andy Baird
2021 Ford Ranger towing 2019 Airstream 19CB
Previously: 1985 LD Twin/King "Gertie"; 2003 LD Midbath "Skylark"
Re: owners manual for 1985 Lazy Daze
Reply #11 –
Yahoo Message Number: 156693
"If you want to copyright material you must vigorously enforce the Copyright!"

That's true, Fred, but vigorous enforcement means prosecuting violators--not hiding your intellectual property from the world altogether, which is essentially what LD is doing. For example, every camera, computer, and other consumer electronics device I've bought in the past ten years or more has had its user manual available in PDF format online. (In many cases I've downloaded and read the manual before purchasing the device, in order to know exactly what its features and specs were.) If companies such as Canon, Panasonic, et al., aren't worried about their online manuals being pirated or misused, the I don't see why Lazy Daze needs to be.

Andy Baird
Andy Baird
2021 Ford Ranger towing 2019 Airstream 19CB
Previously: 1985 LD Twin/King "Gertie"; 2003 LD Midbath "Skylark"
Re: owners manual for 1985 Lazy Daze
Reply #12 –
Yahoo Message Number: 156694
When I contacted them a few years ago, Steve Newton told me that he was OK with individual owners making copies of the manual for other owners, but he didn't want even older versions of the manual posted online where the whole world can see them.

I think this policy is unfortunate and unnecessary--many other manufacturers post their owner's manuals online--but that's the way it is.

Andy Baird
Andy Baird
2021 Ford Ranger towing 2019 Airstream 19CB
Previously: 1985 LD Twin/King "Gertie"; 2003 LD Midbath "Skylark"
Re: owners manual for 1985 Lazy Daze
Reply #13 –
Yahoo Message Number: 156696
Andy,

I don't disagree with you at all. The manuals you downloaded were from the manufacturer's sites and probably contained Copyright statements within them. LD doesn't have such a site now; does it? I think LD folks are just following some lawyer's sage advise! Silly as it may seem.

Fred Krafick
Re: owners manual for 1985 Lazy Daze
Reply #14 –
Yahoo Message Number: 156697
Anyone who wants to discuss a 'proper ' one for the 2013 31ft can conact me off list.
Joel-wiley (at) sbcglobal (dot) net
Joel & Terry Wiley
dog Zeke
2013  31 IB   Orwan   / 2011 CRV Tow'd LWEROVE
Re: owners manual for 1985 Lazy Daze
Reply #15 –
Yahoo Message Number: 156704
"The manuals you downloaded were from the manufacturer's sites and probably contained Copyright statements within them. LD doesn't have such a site now; does it?"

They have a website, and they have the ability to publish PDFs to that website--their spec sheet testifies to that. (Although oddly enough, the spec sheet contains no copyright notice. ;-)

So I can't see any technical or legal reason why they couldn't publish PDF manuals for their older models if they wanted to. They just don't want to, unfortunately.

Andy Baird
Andy Baird
2021 Ford Ranger towing 2019 Airstream 19CB
Previously: 1985 LD Twin/King "Gertie"; 2003 LD Midbath "Skylark"
Re: owners manual for 1985 Lazy Daze
Reply #16 –
Yahoo Message Number: 156709
Years ago I asked Steve about publishing the OMs on the forum.
He said that the LD Owners Manual is the best in the industry and he didn't want them falling into the wrong hands.
While I'm sure that the "enemy" has already acquired a copy, he was very adamant about about it, so the discusion ended.
Enough said.

Larry
Larry
2003 23.5' Front Lounge, since new.  Previously 1983 22' Front Lounge.
Tow vehicles  2020 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon, 2001 Jeep Cherokee
Photo Collection: Lazy Daze
Re: owners manual for 1985 Lazy Daze
Reply #18 –
Yahoo Message Number: 156713
"Best in the industry" well there lies a shotgun statement that really needs a caveat of ymmv
 A schematic is found with old Winnebagos. I have yet to see LD willing to draw one on any model or year they made.

On the other hand some of there written word is useful. But best?!?

Bah

Lydia
Lydia.
Current: 2020 JLUR w 15’ Squaredrop
Former: 2006 30IB Anniversary Edition
Re: owners manual for 1985 Lazy Daze
Reply #19 –
Yahoo Message Number: 156714
"Born Free RV manuals are online..."

--- Yes, Born Free manuals are available in PDFs; they are clear and comprehensive and appear to be very convenient sources of essential information for owners of BFs. But, LD manuals are not online or available in print form from the factory (except when one buys a new LD), and I doubt they ever will be.

I believe that Steve does consider the material in the manual to be "proprietary", but, frankly, I think that at least *part* of the problem of not having the manuals available in PDFs online is a personnel issue, i.e., scanning and posting rig manuals from 57 years of production (if indeed manuals were provided in the early years of LD production?) is a big, time-consuming job, and, from what I've observed, LD's few office employees already wear multiple "hats", and the "scan and post" hat is likely a very low priority.

LD owners missing the manual have to wing it or rely on "the kindness of strangers". Fortunately, these are in good supply on the message board. ;-)

As ever, YMMV.

Joan
2003 TK has a new home
Re: owners manual for 1985 Lazy Daze
Reply #20 –
Yahoo Message Number: 156723
------ From: "jctaylor1941@... [lifewithalazydazerv]"
 Date: 10/28/2015  12:10  (GMT-08:00)
 To: lifewithalazydazerv@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: Re: [LD] Re: owners manual for 1985 Lazy Daze

They could crowd source it. It worked for the data backlog on the SETI project.
But what LD owner would go to the effort of scanning in their manual? Joel =========>>> snipped ....
I believe that Steve does consider the material in the manual to be "proprietary", but, frankly, I think that at least *part* of the problem of not having the manuals available in PDFs online is a personnel issue, i.e., scanning and posting rig manuals from 57 years of production (if indeed manuals were provided in the early years of LD production?) is a big, time-consuming job, and, from what I've observed, LD's few office employees already wear multiple "hats", and the "scan and post" hat is likely a very low priority.

LD owners missing the manual have to wing it or rely on "the kindness of strangers". Fortunately, these are in good supply on the message board. ;-)

As ever, YMMV.

Joan
Joel & Terry Wiley
dog Zeke
2013  31 IB   Orwan   / 2011 CRV Tow'd LWEROVE
Re: owners manual for 1985 Lazy Daze
Reply #21 –
Yahoo Message Number: 156726
For what it's worth, I've uploaded a partial manual for a 1997 mid-bath to the "Lazy Daze Information" files area. It's missing Chapters 15 (Repairs and Limited Warranties) and 16 (Diagrams). I believe I have the raw materials to include these chapters at a later time.
 It did take quite a while to scan and convert the manual to a searchable PDF, while maintaining as much of the page formatting as possible.
 I could find no copyright or proprietary markings on the pages of the manual. If the moderators feel that I should not have posted the file, by all means feels free to delete it.

Mark
Former owner, 31-foot gas Class A
Former owner, 1997-8 mid-bath
Re: owners manual for 1985 Lazy Daze
Reply #22 –
Yahoo Message Number: 156729
To respect Lazy Daze, Inc.'s wishes not to publish Lazy Daze manuals, I will delete this manual, Mark. But thanks for your consideration. This topic comes up every couple of years or so and it winds up that the solution to the search for a particular manual is for someone to request it on this forum and one of our members usually volunteers to copy his/her manual for the requester. This process is a sharing event between private parties and should not violate the directions received from Lazy Daze. I hope we can put this topic to rest for now.

Chris
Formerly: 2002 30' IB