Engine shroud removal January 08, 2012, 09:12:49 pm Yahoo Message Number: 127711Hi folks. Its been awhile since I started my 02 RK. The battery spins the starter great, but it doesn't start. So two questions. How do I get the engine shroud off? It is under the carpet, and the manual says just pull it backward with the handles from the butterfly clamp and then tip it back. There is a piece of the interior where a glove box should be, that wants to prevent easy removal, the floor carpet is in the way, and maybe something else. Any suggestions? Question 2, I think it's not starting because of some failure in the fuel delivery system. Any ideas on this? (Over 3/8 tank of gas) Thanks for any help or suggestions!!
Re: Engine shroud removal Reply #1 – January 08, 2012, 11:40:13 pm Yahoo Message Number: 127713Quote "So two questions. How do I get the engine shroud off?" From the symptom you describe you may not have to remove the 'Dog House'. But should that become the case, try to lift the shroud up enough to clear the carpet and then follow the directions. "Question 2, I think it's not starting because of some failure in the fuel delivery system." You may be close to answering your own question. What you describe is the classic symptom for a failed fuel pump. I've had two of them replaced and both times she would crank but not fire. I'd have a qualified shop diagnose for a 'no fuel' condition. The pump is in the tank so the tank will have to be lowered, pump replaced and tank re-installed. Good luck.Steve S. Lazy Bones & Jiggsj j
Re: Engine shroud removal Reply #2 – January 09, 2012, 12:07:48 am Yahoo Message Number: 127714Before you start assuming you have a failure somewhere, how long is "awhile"? It may just be a fuel issue. You should not store your rv on anything less than a full tank. The main reason being is condensation. You end up with a lot of water in your tank. Engines don't like to run on water. I would suggest adding a product to your fuel tank that removes moisture & add at least 5 gallons of fresh gas. This may cure your problem and is a lot cheaper than replacing the pump. Keep in mind that if it is a fuel problem, it still will take awhile to start after doing the above. Cause you will need to burn off all the bad fuel out of your fuel lines.Hope that helps.-VictorSent from Droid X
Re: Engine shroud removal Reply #3 – January 09, 2012, 02:53:06 am Yahoo Message Number: 127716I will not even try to troubleshoot why an engine that has sat for a long period will not start. It may be the fuel pump, as suggested, or a dozen other things. One problem I have seen is damaged or missing wiring due to rodents. They love plastic. Lorna recently had this problem. I found chewed wiring, missing wiring, missing vacuum lines and badly damage and missing under-hood insulation, all caused by this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lwade/6665568909/in/set-72157628789839867> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lwade/sets/72157628789839867/> Removing the doghouse can be difficult, mostly due to the added carpeting LD's glues to its exterior. There are four clamps, on the doghouse that need to be released. Next the two plastic lower plastic pieces, one on each side of the doghouse, need to be pulled off. A good tug should pop them loose. Look behind each trim piece to see the spring steel clips that fit into holes in the metal knee guards. Now the doghouse is ready to be removed. The fit can be very tight. Start by pulling hard on one side and then alternating to the other side, repeating as necessary. Some are so tight that it takes just about everything I can put into it to get them to budge. Alternate from side to side until it pops out.Larry
Re: Engine shroud removal Reply #4 – January 09, 2012, 06:13:48 am Yahoo Message Number: 127717Yes, I can attest to the fact those little critters love to get under and eat! Mine was $900 worth of damage which my insurance covered! That was the only good thing.Betty Jean
Re: Engine shroud removal Reply #5 – January 09, 2012, 09:00:26 am Yahoo Message Number: 127718Uggh, rodent damage pictures bring back bad memories. Our LD sat in a country garage for a while before we bought it, and the mice took up residence. My case wasn't as bad as these pictures, but it was frustrating none the less. I used to get annoyed by the paw prints from stray cats on our cars. Now I thank them and remember that washing paw prints beats fixing rodent damage any day.Rich '03 MB in NC
Re: Engine shroud removal Reply #6 – January 09, 2012, 11:46:50 am Yahoo Message Number: 127721QuoteRemoving the doghouse can be difficult, mostly due to the added carpeting LD's glues to its exterior. The first time I attempted to remove my doghouse the rear end of the doghouse would not clear the floor carpet until I removed the screws driven through the floor carpet into the floorpan just aft of the doghouse. According to Vince this is not a normal factory installation procedure. These screws were hard to detect and not visible if one is not looking for any attachments in this area. Something you might check if you are unable to get the rear end of the doghouse out from under the floor carpet.John '04 23.5FL (2012 on order pickup in April-Yippee!!!)
Off Road Toad Tires Reply #7 – January 09, 2012, 12:27:56 pm Yahoo Message Number: 127723To me, tires are round and black. Two years ago I put Michelin LT/X A/T's on the Jeep we tow. I selected these because folks on a Jeep forum were real high on them as decent off-road tire that were still good for everyday driving. We have done a good bit of rock crawling and the tires are fine for our skill level. I looked at the front tires today and they were trashed. I figured it was due to being out of line. The tire man says it's mostly because there tires are not designed to be flat towed. He is replacing them with the tires that come on the car, Michelin LT/X M/S. The same tire that Ford put on the E450.No question that the tires needed to be replaced after less than 15,000 miles, but I wonder if anyone knows that some tires are not designed to be towed?
Re: Off Road Toad Tires Reply #8 – January 09, 2012, 01:07:03 pm Yahoo Message Number: 127725QuoteI looked at the front tires today and they were trashed. I figured it was due to being out of line. The tire man says it's mostly because there tires are not designed to be flat towed. He is replacing them with the tires that come on the car, Michelin LT/X M/S. The same tire that Ford put on the E450. How were the tires "trashed"? Jeeps are notorious for cupping tires. You need to have good shocks and rotate tires frequently. We ended up with seriously cupped Goodyear MTRs after towing on a long trip to the Maritimes. Next long trip with the Jeep I'm going to make sure I rotate the tires as needed. But aside from the cupping, we've towed the Jeep many thousands of miles with no noticeable wear problems. We are currently running BFG AT KOs.Art
Re: Off Road Toad Tires Reply #9 – January 09, 2012, 02:32:37 pm Yahoo Message Number: 127726Quotewas due to being out of line. The tire man says it's mostly because there tires are not designed to be flat towed. He is replacing them with the tires that come on the car, Michelin LT/X M/S. The same tire In general, except for FWD vehicles, the tire stresses should be the same for towing as normal driving. However, have someone look-see out the back while towing at various speeds. If you see some odd behavior, such as rocking or some wander, then there may be something to the issue of tire choice.Steve
Re: Off Road Toad Tires Reply #10 – January 09, 2012, 03:02:12 pm Yahoo Message Number: 127727"I wonder if anyone knows that some tires are not designed to be towed?"Don I have never heard of this and suspect the tire guy is blowing smoke. We have towed our Jeep almost 50,000 miles and always have used an off-road type tire. I always get 40,000+ miles from them and change them before they wear down to the bars. Has the front end been checked out by a competent alignment specialist? Your Liberty has independent front suspension which has a lot of moving parts that can wear or get knocked out of alignment. My 1997 4X4 Dodge Dakota had essentially the same front end, as the Liberty, and suffered from several low-mileage front-end problems including failed hub bearings and ball joints. I rotate the Jeep's tires every 5-7,000 miles to even the wear differences between the front and back axles.Larry
Re: Off Road Toad Tires Reply #11 – January 09, 2012, 09:23:05 pm Yahoo Message Number: 127730I'd say this "tire guy" (relating to the earlier thread on acronyms ) is FOS.Dave W
Re: Off Road Toad Tires Reply #12 – January 09, 2012, 10:12:09 pm Yahoo Message Number: 127731Quote from: River_Rd""I'd say this "tire guy"...is FOS."Do you understand that acronym-like abbreviation, Betty Jean?Chris
Re: Off Road Toad Tires Reply #13 – January 09, 2012, 11:05:19 pm Yahoo Message Number: 127732LOL! When I read the OP, I thought the same thing.Like others have mentioned, check your alignment.-Victor
Re: Off Road Toad Tires Reply #14 – January 10, 2012, 07:30:05 am Yahoo Message Number: 127733That one I do! LOL It is older than ............ you know what!Betty Jean
Re: Off Road Toad Tires Reply #15 – January 10, 2012, 10:48:06 am Yahoo Message Number: 127734Don Malpas wrote: I looked at the front tires today and they were trashed. I figured it was due to being out of line. The tire man says it's mostly because there tires are not designed to be flat towed. He is replacing them with the tires that come on the car, Michelin LT/X M/S. The same tire that Ford put on the E450. --- I agree with others' assessments of the "tire guy" in this case; in my experience, "FOS" seems to be at the top of the list in the "tire guy" job description. If you choose not to replace the "trashed" tires on the Jeep with the M/S, you might want to look at the Michelin LTX A/T2: http://www.michelinman.com/ltx-at2/ Joan
Re: Off Road Toad Tires Reply #16 – January 11, 2012, 09:13:20 am Yahoo Message Number: 127757On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 16:48:02 -0000, "jctaylor1941" jctaylor1941@...> wrote:QuoteI agree with others' assessments of the "tire guy" in this case; in my experience, "FOS" seems to be at the top of the list in the "tire guy" job description. I thought so also. Just odd as it did not serve him to say anything. I was replacing the tires and figured it was due to my neglect to inspect them and get the front aligned. No extra income for him. Perhaps it's genetic? Residential contractors always promise to stay on the job, but never do. Perhaps there is a like "gene" for tire store owners? A thousand dollar lesson that I need to pay much closer attention to tread wear.
Re: Engine shroud removal Reply #17 – January 12, 2012, 11:20:46 pm Yahoo Message Number: 127812Thanks folks for all the tips on getting the doghouse off. I'm looking forward to yanking (gently of course) that sucker off this weekend!!
Re: Engine shroud removal Reply #18 – January 13, 2012, 10:46:16 am Yahoo Message Number: 127813QuoteThanks folks for all the tips on getting the doghouse off. I'm >looking forward to yanking (gently of course) that sucker off this >weekend!! I hope you find what you are looking for under there. But be prepared to be overwhelmed. And please do post to the group what your rig's starting problem turns out to be and what the remedy was. I don't believe you ever told us what the "quite a while" since it was last started meant. months? years?Steve K.
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