Lazy Daze Owners' Group

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 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 14:58:31 +0000
 Subject: [LD] Self defense when you do not have a gun.

Val Glinka teaches self-defense to students at Sylvania Southview High School. For decades, he's suggested putting a can of wasp and hornet spray near your door or bed.

Glinka says, "This is better than anything I can teach them."
 Glinka considers it inexpensive, easy to find, and more effective thanmace or pepper spray. The cans typically shoot 20 to 30 feet; so if someone tries to break into your home, Glinka says "spray the culprit in the eyes". It's a tip he's given to students for decades.
 It's also one he wants everyone to hear. If you're looking forprotection, Glinka says look to the spray.
 "That's going to give you a chance to call the police; maybe get out." Maybe even save a life.

From: Andy
 To: lifewithalazydazerv@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 9:30 AM
 Subject: [LD] Re: Self defense when you do not have a gun.

"maybe kick the beejeebees outta the intruders butt, THEN call the fuzz or an ambulance."
 The ex-law-enforcement people here can check me on this, but my hunch is that once an intruder is disabled and the threat is nullified (with pepper spray, wasp spray or whatever), any further violence on your part may be construed as assault. Kicking him while he's down may be emotionally satisfying, but it could get you in trouble with the law.
 In a nutshell, my understanding is that threat removal is usually legal, but vengeance isn't.

Andy Baird http://www.andybaird.com/travels/

Ex-law-enforcement people here . . .
 Well yes, I agree, Andy, but case decision has consistantly held that vengeance is sooooooo much more satisfying (g).
 I would never go the vengeance route, btw. Once the bad guy is down and/or no longer a threat, game over. Going in, if deadly force is called for, I'll be using a firearm. There are instances when the threat does not justify that level of response, that's when spray or other non-leathal devices are good. For those cases when one might consider wasp spray, I'd go for bear spray instead - - also works on furry bad guys.

bumper Yonder Minden, NV

From: jctaylor1941
 To: lifewithalazydazerv@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 9:46 AM
 Subject: [LD] Re: Self defense when you do not have a gun.

"Andy"  wrote: In a nutshell, my understanding is that threat removal is usually legal, but vengeance isn't.
--- What constitutes "threat removal" is also a very grey area that depends on several variables and legal "fine lines". I do not want to start an inflammatory thread, but I encourage anyone who carries a weapon of *any type* to be fully aware of any and all potential consequences of its use in any and all circumstances; laws and what one might perceive as "justice" do NOT necessarily coincide! YMMV.

Joan

No arguement from me. But consider, most people are not going to get the training a police officer gets (and as we all know, cops sometimes make mistakes in spite of all that training).
 There is a relatively simple "test" that you can apply in most situations:
 If you are in fear for and acting to defend your life or that of your family, and can articulate that to a jury, you can be reasonably sure you'll be okay.
 Most states do not condone the use of deadly force to protect property.

bumper