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difference between borg stems and Tireman stems
Yahoo Message Number: 47481
We pick up our LD next week and at this point are planning to go to Tireman after delivery. But Dennis' post regarding the cost of Pete's Road Service gives me pause. Why pay more for Tireman if borg stems are the same. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Steve  ( 30' TB "Gopher Baby").

  

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Re: difference between borg stems and Tireman stems
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Yahoo Message Number: 47491
Steve There has been a lot of conversation on valve stems. I had Pete's road service put new tires on our 94 26' RB and after some research decided the Borg steel (chrome)valve stems #DL1FC would work fine.
After 6 months I have not had to add any air to any of the tires, which I find amazing.
I had planned on going to Tireman to get the work done but just could not get the time required to go up there and get it done. Pete's is only 15 minutes away for me so it worked out fine.

Scott 94 26' RB

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We pick up our LD next week and at this point are planning to go to
Tireman after delivery. But Dennis' post regarding the cost of Pete's Road Service gives me pause. Why pay more for Tireman if borg stems are the same. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Steve  ( 30' TB "Gopher Baby").
Re: difference between borg stems and Tireman stems
Reply #2 –
Yahoo Message Number: 47492
Do you guys realize that you are exposing yourselves to Lorna's wrath? She does not permit any futher discussion with respect to the Tireman or Borg. YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED!!!!!

NH Paul
Re: difference between borg stems and Tireman stems
Reply #3 –
Yahoo Message Number: 47496
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Do you guys realize that you are exposing yourselves to Lorna's wrath?
Well, I'm with Lorna all the way.
 Winston Churchill said, during the Battle of England, "Never, in the field of homan conflicts, so much was owned by so many to so few", referring to the 600 hundred Royal Air Force pilots, who did the impossible.

"Never, in the field of rving, so much was discussed, by so many, about a matter of practically zero substance..."

If you count the number of times that the "T" word appeared in 2004 in this group, it's unbelievable...and now we have also the "B" word.
OH MY GOSH!!!!

We are the most intelligent, educated and good humored group of the net, we are the best! Honestly, I have being lurking other groups, ours is number 1, by far. This matter is way over, specially considering what we are.

Eudoro "borged to death" Lemos Jr. (It's not a typo, this time....)
Eudoro's Borged
Reply #4 –
Yahoo Message Number: 47513
But wait if it didn't come up so much it wouldn't be a good topic.
Should we review some of the other topics we beat to death. Solar anybody!! We are finally leaving to go get ours tomorrow. Yea!! 250 watts with a boost and 2 more t-105's.
Re: [Life With A Lazy Daze RV] Re: difference between/now FAQ
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Yahoo Message Number: 47521
Awww shucks, thanks Eudoro....I hoped my previous post would discourage yet a*nother* pissing contest on this subject -- sorry if my pleading sounded "wrathful"!!!
 Art Berggreen has given us a generous gift...one of the slickest, most comprehensive archiving tools I've had the good fortune to use.  Over the years, there have been hundreds and hundreds of posts here on the subject of valves/stems/extenders that can be found on this forum using Art's creation.

Also, as Jonna mentioned last week, a sub-cult seems to have materialized.  So maybe the Borg guys should challenge the Tireman guys to a duel -- pistols or swords at dawn, eh?  OR, better yet, how about WORDS -- mightier than the sword as I recall!

As
2003 RB
[Life With A Lazy Daze RV] Re: difference between/now FAQ
Reply #6 –
Yahoo Message Number: 47536
Geeez Lighten up Lorna! It is LD related after all. Not everyone has had the same experiences. Not everyone has the same opinion. Its okay.
Re: difference between borg stems and Tireman stems
Reply #7 –
Yahoo Message Number: 47539
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We pick up our LD next week and at this point are planning to go to
Tireman after delivery. But Dennis' post regarding the cost of Pete's Road Service gives me pause. Why pay more for Tireman if borg stems are the same. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Steve  ( 30' TB "Gopher Baby").

Hi Steve T.

I'll risk the wrath of the Ridgecrest cult and tell you the difference between getting the metal stems from Pete's Road Service and the outfit in Ridgecrest Ca. (I think I'm not supposed to mention their name anymore). The difference is that if you get the same stems installed at Pete's, you will have approximately $213 left over to spend on other items for your new LD. That is based on Dennis paying $155 through Pete's and the last published figure of $368 from the other folks. The product is the same. Some who have paid the big money, do so because they have more confidence in the installer.( I do wonder what those folks do when they need new tires and they live on the other side of the continent though)

While you may save over $200 by going elsewhere, you'll lose out on the reported free donuts, free night of camping, getting your rig's picture taken and mounted on the wall, and possibly a free knife.
 After comparing the information, only you can decide. Do you want the same product, with change left over for things like the Pro-Fill battery watering device plus some covers for your roof vents, plus some well regarded cleaning and polishing gear and a digital tire pressure gauge? Or do you want to do business with the claimed inventor who is reported to be a very nice man.

Search the archives and decide for yourself.

Steve K. (I know I'm gonna get it now! I'll probably be banned from the group's site at the anniversary bash in Wyoming too!)
Steve K

2003 Mid-bath
Re: [Life With A Lazy Daze RV] Re: difference between/now FAQ
Reply #8 –
Yahoo Message Number: 47540
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As in FAQ?  As in:  is there anybody out there willing to come forward and write everything one needs to know about valves/extenders/stems? Including Tireman/Borg bios, labor/material prices, gifts with purchase, appointment requisites, installers?  Paul?  You doing anything to keep you out of trouble these days? Anyone?  How 'bout it?

 I vote to refer a questioner to the FAQ files where appropriate--when subject line is a much repeated one.  Make the questioner aware that this will offer them the most complete overview of their subject with many posts of same.
Remind them if they don't find what they are looking for to come back and ask again.
 I know I would personally prefer someone referring me to the FAQ files in order to see everything at one time and not have to wait over a few day period to get all the replies.
 We have a great tool with the FAQ file and we should use it, again, when appropriate.

I vote to use the FAQ file , how do you vote?

John K

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Re: tire stem FAQ
Reply #9 –
Yahoo Message Number: 47543
Perhaps I didn't make myself clear when I suggested a "tire stem FAQ." I have no intention of stifling discussion on what's clearly a relevant topic! For that matter, this group is pretty tolerant of off-topic discussions, as long as they don't monopolize the conversation.
 But when new folks pop up, as they regularly do--remember, we average two new members a day!--with questions about valves and stems, we go over the same old ground again and again. This doesn't serve the new members well; they're bound to wonder why an innocent question elicits curt, edgy replies. And it's an unnecessary distraction for the rest of us.
 Nonetheless, I have no wish to ban discussion of this or any topic. What I have in mind is pretty much what John suggested: "refer a questioner to the FAQ files where appropriate-- when subject line is a much repeated one. Make the questioner aware that this will offer them the most complete overview of their subject with many posts of same. Remind them if they don't find what they are looking for, to come back and ask again."
 No prohibitions, no bans--just a gentle "You'll find lots of information about this in the 'Tire Stem FAQ'...and if that doesn't answer all your questions, please feel free to come back here and ask for clarification." We already do this for other topics that are in the FAQ, such as buying and selling used rigs, checklists, towed vehicles and the like; there's nothing new or sinister about what I'm suggesting.
 Now, who wants to draft a tire stem FAQ? If several people want to look at this from various points of view, that's fine too--send your drafts to me and I'll edit them together into a coherent whole. As I said, I'm not qualified to explain this stuff...but I'm a good editor. :-)

Andy Baird
Andy Baird
2021 Ford Ranger towing 2019 Airstream 19CB
Previously: 1985 LD Twin/King "Gertie"; 2003 LD Midbath "Skylark"
Re: [Life With A Lazy Daze RV] Re: difference between borg stems an
Reply #10 –
Yahoo Message Number: 47567
On Thursday, December 9, 2004, at 08:48  AM, nukamper2000 wrote:

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"(I know I'm gonna get it now! I'll probably be banned from the group's site at the anniversary bash in Wyoming too!)"
Well Steve K., you bring out the devilment in me, and it's looking like you'll have some company!  I'd be honored to join you.  We could call ourselves the "Uppity Shunned Yahooers?"  Or "Posters be Banned"?  Or, how 'bout "Do-nut-less in Cheyenne"?

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" I'll risk the wrath of the Ridgecrest cult "
No guts, no glory!  You just have to be reeeeaaal careful around some amongst us (no names now) who seem to be having just a wee bit of difficulty distinguishing between pleading and wrath or censorship and establishing a Valve Stem FAQ!!!  And, heaven forbid that someone would think I was actually *serious* about dueling pistols, swords and pens at dawn.  Geeeze Jim, not sure I can "lighten up" much more -- in the humor department that is!!

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"some well regarded cleaning and polishing gear and a digital tire pressure gauge? Or do you want to do business with the claimed inventor who is reported to be a very nice man."
Steve T, Speaking of tire pressure gauges:  I bought one of those fancy "professional" gauges from the guy in Ridgecrest for $12.00 more than the exact same $11.00 gauge I could've bought at Napa Auto or Target.
That's $23.00 for a stick gauge if you're doing the math.  Oh well -- just another stooopid newbie experience.
 Hope it's OK to relate that experience here.  Someone said it was OK, right?  I'm not going to be pounced on and accused of anything like being uncivil, am I?  Hope it didn't sound too too wrathful or humorless either.  OK?!!
 Lorna, trying her darndest to lighten up even though after her visit to Ridgecrest, the tires *and* the pocket book are already lite enough -- or should that be "light"?!!
2003 RB
Re: [Life With A Lazy Daze RV] Re: difference between borg stems an
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Yahoo Message Number: 47574
nukamper2000 no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Steve  ( 30' TB "Gopher Baby").

Hi Steve T.

I'll risk the wrath of the Ridgecrest cult and tell you the difference between getting the metal stems from Pete's Road Service

That's all I wanted to know. The products are the same. You have saved me some cash and I'm very grateful. I hope we meet out on the trail someday. Have a blessed Christmas. Steve T. 30'TB "Gopher Baby">.

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[Life With A Lazy Daze RV] Re: difference between borg stems and Ti
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Yahoo Message Number: 47584
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That's all I wanted to know. The products are the same. You have
saved me some cash and I'm very grateful. I hope we meet out on the trail someday. Have a blessed Christmas. Steve T. 30'TB "Gopher Baby">.
Steve T.
I'm happy to give you the info you wanted. Regarding meeting on the trail, what part of the country do you live in?

Thanks for the Christmas wishes; I wish the same for you and a New Year of great adventures in "Gopher"!

Steve K. (In green and muddy Ohio, but wondering when the snow is gonna come?)
Steve K

2003 Mid-bath
Re: [Life With A Lazy Daze RV] Re: difference between borg stems an
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Yahoo Message Number: 47670
nukamper2000 no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Steve K. (In green and muddy Ohio, but wondering when the snow is gonna come?)
 We live about 50 miles east of Modesto, CA. I use Modesto as a point of reference because most everybody knows where it is after the Scot Peterson trial. Living in Ohio I think you would really enjoy Terrible's RV Resort in Pahrump, NV. We are going to be there from December to January. Terrible's has a seven acre lake bounded by rolling grassy mounds and trees. The lake has a sidewalk all around it with western gear embedded in the grass with a plastic horse here and there. It has a kind of theme part feel to it but it is all class A. Large heated pool and a Casino where you can eat two for five dollars. All of this is out in the middle of the desert with the tumble weeds. The spaces are complete with everything the only bad part is they turn the sprinklers on at night and if your rig gets hit, the water is really hard, it leaves white water marks all over your rig. By going for a month the cost comes out to about $12. a night. Las Vagas is about an hour away. We really enjoy it there as you can see.
 Steve T. "Gofer Baby" 30'TB Why "Gofer Baby?" We've waited exactly nine months for this rig. The Gofer part is: we used to have a home we called Gopher Gulch but since the rig is rollng stock we thought we would just shorten it to Gofer.



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Yahoo Message Number: 47545
Steve K. wrote:
 After comparing the information, only you can decide. Do you want the same product, with change left over for things like the Pro-Fill battery watering device plus some covers for your roof vents, plus some well regarded cleaning and polishing gear and a digital tire pressure gauge? Or do you want to do business with the claimed inventor who is reported to be a very nice man.

Search the archives and decide for yourself.

Steve K. (I know I'm gonna get it now! I'll probably be banned from the group's site at the anniversary bash in Wyoming too!)

I agree, Steve, except this is not an either/or situation. Many, many LD owners have not been to Tireman or Pete. How about your local tire shop? This is not rocket science folks. On my LD I have the Lazydaze supplied rear wheel braided extenders and metal valve stems from my local tire store here on Whidbey island. Total cost? For the extenders, valve stems, and labor, all less than $100. After five years everything still works perfectly and I rarely have to top up my tires with air, and I don't have to remove my wheel covers.
TJ
[Life With A Lazy Daze RV] Re: difference between borg stems and Ti
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Yahoo Message Number: 47563
TJ,

I second your endorsement of the LD extenders.  Combined with metal valve stems, they seem to be a perfectly adequate and low-cost (if somewhat non-elegant) solution to the tire pressure problem.
 We have been quite happy with the LD extenders.  We quickly check our tire pressures each day before we start moving and it is no problem.
The difital gauge fits fine and I can check all 6 tires
[Life With A Lazy Daze RV] Re: difference between borg stems and Ti
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Yahoo Message Number: 47573
I'm with Barry.  We also had the braided tire extenders from the factory along with metal stems on our 2001 RB and they worked fine for
2.5 years  and about 60,000 miles.  When we replaced the tires last
 spring, the tire guy said they might be getting old and it would be best to replace them as well.  I decided if we were going to replace them that I would get the solid stem/extender from Borg.  I did and we had them installed in Palm Desert.  I don't remember the cost but it wasn't much.  The guy at Borg helped me find a place close to where we were that was familar with them, in fact he was extremely helpful.

My point here is that the braided extenders worked just fine and we had no real problems.  We did have a loose core once in Death Valley and after borrowing a tool we replaced it.  We then bought the tool and carry it and Mimi's used it one other time for another LDer.

I do have a problem with the semi-religious ferver that some feel towards that place in Ridgecrest.  I don't think it is deserved and I resent the implication by some here that it is the only place that can do this rather mundane job or that it is somehow morally superior to go there.  Sorry, but BS!  I have been on this group since very near the beginning and I have read all of the posts.  I am really sick of the free advertising and hero worship of this guy and I think that it detracts from the usually unbiased advice given here.

The guy in Ridgecrest is a "my way or the highway" kind of guy, he expects his customers to comply with HIS demands for arrival and to kowtow to HIS beliefs and viewpoints.  An LD friend went there with unusual wear on the outside duals and he flipped the tire over, this is just one of a dual set.  I think this was not only wrong but dangerous.  He also used to (don't know anymore) tell everyone to inflate their tires to maximum pressure.  I could go on with the bad and wrong advice I have read here and heard from others that was received from this guy.  Why he inspires such devotion is beyond me but I haven't met him, perhaps he is charismatic?
 So, when I see the repetetive posts praising him I just click on by.
I don't usually feel like going into all this detail and I certainly don't feel like arguing with any of you about some tire salesman in the high desert.  However, if I don't speak up or someone like Lorna who had a bad experience with him doesn't speak up then it appears to new readers that we are all in agreement that he is the best there is.
That isn't so but there is a limit to my patience in rehashing all this.  I agree that a FAQ with both opinions is a lot better than having this rehashed every few months.

Jonna, in Guadalajara
[Life With A Lazy Daze RV] Re: difference between borg stems and Ti
Reply #17 –
Yahoo Message Number: 47587
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I agree, Steve, except this is not an either/or situation. Many,
many LD owners have not been to Tireman or Pete. How about your local
 
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tire shop? This is not rocket science folks. On my LD I have the Lazydaze supplied rear wheel braided extenders and metal valve stems from my local tire store here on Whidbey island. Total cost? For the extenders, valve stems, and labor, all less than
$100.

Hi TJ, Barry, and Jonna! Thanks for pointing out other tire stem alternatives, which I did not. But, I was responding to a question from Steve T., who said he was planning to go to Ridgecrest and was questioning the price difference between Ridgecrest and Pete's. I based my answer on the question asked. I deduced that Steve T. had made a decision about choosing between stem extenders and long tire stems and had decided to go with long stems. Like you folks, when I made my decision, I ended up using braided stem extenders, but the mail order option of solid stems was not an option in the summer of 2003.

Steve K. (relieved to see I wasn't voted off the island by "the cult"!
Steve K

2003 Mid-bath
[Life With A Lazy Daze RV] Re: difference between borg stems and Ti
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Yahoo Message Number: 47626
Well, Jonna, my bottom line on all this is that the vast majority of the folks who are critical of the Tireman HAVE NOT dealt with him, and the vast majority of the folks who HAVE dealt with him (like me) like him and his service.

Do I think only the Tireman can do the job?  No.

Do I think the Tireman is perfect?  No.

Do I think the Tireman is the best
[Life With A Lazy Daze RV] Re: difference between borg stems and Ti
Reply #19 –
Yahoo Message Number: 47633
the vast majority of
 
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the folks who are critical of the Tireman HAVE NOT dealt with him, and the vast majority of the folks who HAVE dealt with him (like me) like him and his service.
I, for one, am so thankful that I dealt with The Tireman. I have nothing but positive feelings about the business encounter and now count Susan and Chuck Carvitto as dear friends. It grieves me greatly to see them so unfairly maligned here by people who don't know what they're talking about. The Carvitto's are wonderful people and don't deserve this.

David Walker
[Life With A Lazy Daze RV] Re: difference between borg stems and Ti
Reply #20 –
Yahoo Message Number: 47635
We did not have Tireman's web address so we emailed Borg to purchase stems.  When he found out we had a LD they had Chuck at Tireman contact us directly.  The stems were the same price and Chuck had them to us within 3 days.  Perhaps Borg and Tireman are working as partners?
Ross Taylor
2017 MB
[Life With A Lazy Daze RV] Re: difference between borg stems and Ti
Reply #21 –
Yahoo Message Number: 47637
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We did not have Tireman's web address so we emailed Borg to purchase stems.  When he found out we had a LD they had Chuck at Tireman contact us directly.  The stems were the same price and Chuck had them to us within 3 days.  Perhaps Borg and Tireman are working as partners?
As previously stated, this was my experience as well.

Dave

Ruby the red 04 RK
Dave

2017 TK
[Life With A Lazy Daze RV] Re: difference between borg stems and Ti
Reply #22 –
Yahoo Message Number: 47682
Well, I've already stated the reasons why I think it's not a great place to patronize and I stand by them.  On the other hand, as I also said, it's not a subject that I think deserves this kind of rancor.  I have no dog in this hunt and I don't care where people get their extenders. In fact, I'm not convinced that they are necessary - although they are easier.  I do care though that we as a group try to give good advice to new LDers and that they are not led to believe there is only one safe, competent way to check the air in your tires.
Much more important is that we let them know how vital it is that they regularly check the air in their tires, however they do it.

carry on,

Jonna, in Guadalajara
difference between borg stems an
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Yahoo Message Number: 47669
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Folks, it's just this sort of pissing contest I had hoped to avoid when suggesting people step up to the plate and do something positive about the constant bickering on this subject: using Art's Archive tool and creating a FAQ.

 All this bantering back and forth would never have happened if Lazy Daze had done right by the customer by having Valve stems placed before the unit left the factory.  They don't have the equipment, fine, shop it out.  I'm sure there are many tire people in that area who would love the chance for the added buisness.  Charge the cost to the customer's invoice.
 Yes I know LD has done many things with the customer in mind and should be commended, but to release one of their units knowing that the customer, not to many miles down the road, will have problems with even the simplest thing as taking the air pressure in the inside dual tires.  To me this is totally unaccepatable .  Maybe lacking all these little things is why the LDs cost is $10-$20 K less than its competitors.
 I love my LD but for a customer to have to go through all this extra effort(valve stem placemnet) when it easily could have been done before leaving the factory has always been one  that I consider LD way behind the times with other RV Mfg.
 Could subconsciously maybe everyone else is/was frustrated by this lack of effort on LDs part and is has manifested into these few involving themselves in this "pissing contest"?

Come on Group we're better than this.

John K

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