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HW30C EMS: Adjusting the voltage meter component
This post shares a recent experience Jim and I (Sue) had with our Progressive Industries HW30C EMS, which we installed in April, 2019, and with which we have had no problems…until recently.

Three weeks ago, on the morning of our 6th day at a campsite with an electrical hookup (Morro Bay SP), our EMS repeatedly shutoff power to the coach, displaying an E3, High Voltage error.  The HW30C remote display showed voltage varying from 131V to 134V. Per the documentation, the HW30C shuts off power whenever the voltage exceeds 132V. 

As an aside: In the past I have seen a few PE3 errors (Previous error: High Voltage), but I had not been in the coach when the EMS shut off power. Also, for those who are unaware, the HW30C remote display includes a “ByPass EMS” switch that disables all of the features of the EMS, except surge protection. Therefore, it’s possible to bypass the high and low voltage protection, however unwise that might be. We did not use that switch.

Considering the problem, I asked Jim if we should check the voltage at the pedestal with our VOM. He was dismissive. Although he did not share it at the time, he later acknowledged that he had a hard time believing that our inexpensive VOM ($30, Innova 3320) might be more accurate than our expensive and sophisticated HW30C EMS.  Jim’s face = : (

I checked with the park staff and no one else was having a problem. I asked for someone to come out and check our pedestal. After waiting a couple of hours, Jim changed his mind and checked the pedestal with our VOM. Lo and behold, it showed 126V at the pedestal. Hmmm…

I checked online and found several posts on other boards about how both the HW30C and the HW50C may require calibration of the volt meter component via a potentiometer (POT) located on a board in the housing. (PI makes it near impossible to find this documentation on their site. It’s attached below.) Some board posters suggested that the potentiometer screw may move in one direction or the other over time. This struck me as possible, but rather unlikely. Adjusting the calibration was a bit unnerving given that we couldn’t be certain that our inexpensive VOM was correct, but adjust we did.  In hindsight, for confirmation, we should have asked a park maintenance person to use their VOM to measure the voltage at the pedestal. 

With some trepidation, we unplugged from the pedestal to shut off shore power, opened up the EMS’s front panel, plugged back in, and tested line voltage inside the EMS with our VOM. It was ranging from 124v to 126v. The EMS display showed 132v to 134v. Hmmm…

Using the documentation I found online as a guide, we adjusted the POT screw to match the reading on our VOM. See the attached photo extracted from our installation manual. I modified it to add the red text and yellow arrow to mark the location of the tiny calibration screw. Jim adjusted the POT screw while I reported voltage on the EMS display. Note that he turned the screw counter clockwise to decrease the voltage value displayed (clockwise would increase the value). Once the display matched the VOM’s reading for line voltage (again see image for line voltage L1 and L2), our adjustment was complete. Power was restored to the coach. Voilà.

We unplugged again, reinstalled the cover, plugged back in, notified park staff of the non-problem, and enjoyed power for the rest of the trip.

Since returning home, Jim took our VOM (and an identical second that we keep at home) to a lab with VOMs known to be accurate.  Measurements were made at a standard 120V duplex receptacle in the lab.
   Reference VOM 1 (Fluke 87V)   = 120.0
   Reference VOM 2 (Fluke 87V)   = 120.8
   Traveling VOM (Innova 3320)   = 119.9
   Home VOM (Innova 3320)   = 120.0

Today’s measurements at home.
   The HW30C reports: 120 to 121
   With the VOM
      at an inside duplex receptacle: 121.9
      at a duplex receptacle in the pedestal: 122.2
   Please note, our electrical pedestal at home has the following amperage outlets: 20amp, 30amp and 50amp. We were plugged into the 30amp outlet. The check at the pedestal was performed at the 20amp outlet.

*CAUTION* Those who know a lot about electricity will see that I and Jim do not know a lot about electricity. We know enough to be dangerous. Had our Innova VOM been the instrument in error, recalibrating the EMS might have resulted in some significant problems for ourselves and our Lazy Daze. 😲

Sue and Jim

Here are Jim’s notes to self.
1.   Carry a VOM you can trust.
2.   Consider testing your VOM against a certified calibrated VOM every x years? 1? 3?
3.   If you ever install another EMS, check the accuracy of the voltage measurement component during installation and adjust it, if needed.
4.   Know and understand the electrical accuracy specification of your EMS and VOM.
Spec for HW30C: unknown
Spec of the Innova 3320
   ±(1.2% of reading + 5 digits)
   For 120V:  +/- 1.9V (1.44 + 0.5)
   For 130V:  +/- 2.1V (1.56 + 0.5)
Spec of a Fluke 87V
   ±(0.7 % + 2) true-rms
   For 120V:  +/- 0.9V (0.84 + 0.02)
   For 130V:  +/- 0.9V (0.91 + 0.02)

What does ±(x.x% of reading + x digits) mean?

Here is a simple explanation from Fluke: https://help.fluke.com/hc/en-us/articles/360060281651-In-the-accuracy-specification-1-of-reading-3-counts-what-does-the-counts-mean-

Here is a more detailed explanation from Weschler: Calculating Meter Accuracy | Meter Accuracy Specifications
Jim & Sue
Formerly owned: 2011 27' MB, Sidra

Re: HW30C EMS: Adjusting the voltage meter component
Reply #1
Thanks for the write-up, I have owned a PI HW30C EMS for years and have installed many more, I didn't know it was adjustable.
Check the EMS's calibration is something I need to do before next summer's heat and the occasional low-voltage period, low-voltage cut-off is as important as the high voltage, even more so for the rooftop A/C. The A/C can be damaged when trying to start on low voltage.

Checking periodically the calibration of a VOM is a good idea if you have other VOMs or access to a reference lab.

Larry
Larry
2003 23.5' Front Lounge, since new.  Previously 1983 22' Front Lounge.
Tow vehicles  2020 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon, 2001 Jeep Cherokee
Photo Collection: Lazy Daze

Re: HW30C EMS: Adjusting the voltage meter component
Reply #2
Good information Sue…. For many years I worked at various electronic manufacturers.  First as a test technician and later as a design engineer.  The type of potentiometer pictured in your photo were very common in the circuits I tested/designed.  To ensure that the potentiometer didn’t fall out of calibration due to vibration, we used a dab of thick red paint called Glip to hold the adjustment screw in place.  I don’t think they sell Glip anymore but a dab of fingernail polish works just as well.  If I could make a suggestion… the next time you have the HW30C opened up, you should apply a dab of fingernail polish between the plastic body and metal screw of the potentiometer.  Just a dab is all that is needed and if in the future you find the need to readjust, the nail polish will easily break free.

- John
Fulltimer with a 2021 MId-Bath “Babe”, 1996 Cherokee “Scout” and “Bandit” the wonder dog 🐶

Re: HW30C EMS: Adjusting the voltage meter component
Reply #3
Great idea John, Thanks!

Sue
Jim & Sue
Formerly owned: 2011 27' MB, Sidra

Re: HW30C EMS: Adjusting the voltage meter component
Reply #4
"we used a dab of thick red paint called Glip to hold the adjustment screw in place.  I don’t think they sell Glip anymore but a dab of fingernail polish works just as well."

Could you be thinking of Glyptal? Electronics and camera manufacturers used to use that to secure trimmer pots like the one in the EMS box. It's still on the market, but I couldn't find it in anything less than quart cans, whereas folks like us want something more like a one- or two-ounce bottle. But as you suggested, red nail polish would probably be as good. 🙂
Andy Baird
2021 Ford Ranger towing 2019 Airstream 19CB
Previously: 1985 LD Twin/King "Gertie"; 2003 LD Midbath "Skylark"

Re: HW30C EMS: Adjusting the voltage meter component
Reply #5
Hi Jim; Great write up!  The RMS meter is most likely the right one.  Root Mean Square is a way to average possibly distorted not quite sine wave AC voltages, to get a more accurate measure of what is there.  MOV's do wear out, but it is likely there aren't enough 'spikes' on the line to damage them.  The pot is probably a ten turn. Those are actually the 'deluxe' type and speaks well of the manufacturer. A small leadscrew moves the slider, end to end. Fingernail polish will work, so will a small glob of epoxy resin.  Just a dab. 
  So I'm guilty, I actually carry three meters with the motorhome.  (OK, so maybe four).  Retired electronics technician!
   RonB
RonB (Bostick) living in San Diego
Original owner of "Bluebelle" a '99 TKB

Re: HW30C EMS: Adjusting the voltage meter component
Reply #6
"Retired electronics technician!"

Where did you get your training? Mine was with the Air Force, Keesler AFB, Biloxi, MS.
Steve S.
Lazy Bones & Cedar
2004 30'IB (Island Bed)
Yesterday is History, Tomorrow is a Mystery
Live for the day!

Re: HW30C EMS: Adjusting the voltage meter component
Reply #7
"Retired electronics technician!"

Where did you get your training? Mine was with the Air Force, Keesler AFB, Biloxi, MS.

For me it was 3 years US Army radar maintenance, then test tech during the day and getting my BSEE at night on the GI Bill.  The company I worked for was real good about helping with my education.  They paid 1/2 and the GI Bill covered enough of the rest that I didn’t need a loan.

- John
Fulltimer with a 2021 MId-Bath “Babe”, 1996 Cherokee “Scout” and “Bandit” the wonder dog 🐶

Re: HW30C EMS: Adjusting the voltage meter component
Reply #8
Could you be thinking of Glyptal? Electronics and camera manufacturers used to use that to secure trimmer pots like the one in the EMS box.

That’s it Andy… we just called it Glyp (sp?).  It came in a small square bottle with a brush attached to the bottom of the screw-on lid.

- John
Fulltimer with a 2021 MId-Bath “Babe”, 1996 Cherokee “Scout” and “Bandit” the wonder dog 🐶

Re: HW30C EMS: Adjusting the voltage meter component
Reply #9
Hi Steve (Lazy Bones);  I was an electronics technician in the Navy. Divided into ETR (Radar) and ETN (communication), we all worked on both. ET school was at Treasure Island, San Francisco Bay area. My specialty was 1592 PME, precision measurement equipment, sometimes known as a 'caltech'  calibration technician.  We had to fix the equipment and then calibrate it.  PME school was at Lowry Air Force base in Aurora Colorado, along with PT's. Navy with facial hair allowed, (Thanks Adm. Zumwalt!)  differentiated us from the Air Force people. Near Boulder we had heavy influence from the National Bureau of Standards. (Now NIST).  Then on to staff at Treasure Island, then to San Diego and the USS Prairie, which promptly left for a visit to Vietnam. I was there for the fall of Saigon in 1975. A Chaotic experience.
   Then hired into a research facility at Burroughs designing/making ULSIC's. We designed the Pentium with our partner Intel. They built our inexpensive IC's (we called them 'jelly beans'). Burroughs bought Sperry and became Unisys (united information systems). Back then it was IBM and the bunch. (Burroughs, Univac, NCR, CDC, and Honeywell).
   Sounds Like John had a similar path, but the Navy required 6 years for ET school. Burroughs was good to me, and I worked on some interesting equipment in the semiconductor fabs. Toxic gasses, High energy particle accelerators, microscopes and smart automated microscopes, scanning electron microscopes, along with assorted other test equipment. (I can bore you even more: Nanospec AFT's, Ellipsometers, Beta backscatter, Waferscribe wafermark Neodymium YAG infrared Q-switched lasers, and yes, a rapid response team member with Scott air packs because of my Navy training with handling nuclear weapons).   Electronic technicians never really retire, they just don't get paid for it.   RonB 
RonB (Bostick) living in San Diego
Original owner of "Bluebelle" a '99 TKB

 
Re: HW30C EMS: Adjusting the voltage meter component
Reply #10
Electronic technicians [...] don't get paid [enough] for it.

Your career appears to have been much more rounded than mine. After graduation from Tech school, Basic and Sets, I went on to become a Master Instructor, thanks to a short stint at the Air War College in Alabama. My forte was high frequency radio communications, Microwave and Tropospheric Scatter. Retiring from service in 1974 I then spent another 18 years with BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit). That helped pay for my LD.  :D
Steve S.
Lazy Bones & Cedar
2004 30'IB (Island Bed)
Yesterday is History, Tomorrow is a Mystery
Live for the day!