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Decisions...decisions...
Well, Kent came into the Space Age with his handy-dandy igniter, but I'm looking to come further into the 21st Century...

There are so many great photos shared here & I know from the discussions there's a lot of expertise, so I'm looking for thoughts about a camera because I've got a project I want to get done, plus to just take photos on occasion (I don't have a cellphone, much less a smart one with a camera, & I've not taken any pix since they quit making the drop-in 35mm cartridges for the Canon I liked so much...so I'm essentially stepping into unknown territory).  I took a photo class for teachers in grad school & we had a really nice SLR for yearbook work when I was teaching, but I'm leaning towards a nice  (generally idiot-proof) "point & shoot."

My 86 y/o aunt (our last of that generation) has a treasure trove of family history in scrapbooks & I want to get this saved for myself & other family.  In the boonies the nearest Kinko's/etc. is a couple of hours away, & she's loathe to have the scrapbooks leave the house because a few other family members have "borrowed" but not yet returned some photos--I understand & don't blame her for that anxiety.  So, I'd been thinking I would just buy a scanner with an oversized bed to accommodate the size of the pages & set up shop in her living room, but my cousin (her son) suggested I could better accomplish this with a digital camera because that's essentially what a scanner is doing (taking a digital image), & finding something to accommodate the odd page size would be difficult for home use.   I can also add copies of the stuff my dad had that others in the family don't have, & figure that it would be pretty easy/economical to just copy everything onto flashdrives for all the cousins.

So, now the research mode is on.  I spent yesterday with the library's current issue of Consumer Reports & reading up on recommendations for "point & shoot" cameras.  These are their top four rankings:
1)  Sony Cybershot RX10 II     $1200     30 oz.     24-200mm     20 megapixels     400 shots/batt   (I took this to mean per battery charge on the CR chart)

2)  Sony Cybershot RX10 III    $1300      41 oz.    24-600mm     20 megapixels      420 shots

I interpreted both Sonys as rated with Good Image and Average Flash on the CR chart.

3)  Canon Powershot G1X Mark II     $650     20 oz.     24-120mm     13 megapixels     240 shots     Excellent Image & Flash

4) Canon Powershot  G7X Mark II    (missed writing price; I believe it was less than #3, but price is not my main concern here)
                                                                              11 oz. (& referred to as a "Pocket Pro" in the CR comments)     24-100mm    20 megapixels     265 shots                                    
                                                                               Excellent Image/Average Flash

Both Canons were listed as "Best Buys" on the CR chart.

Questions:

1)  Thoughts on accomplishing my primary project.  What camera of those listed--or other recommendations--for the main copywork project plus general amateur photography?  I understand that more megapixels provides better image quality.  I understand that the zoom function will be of less importance with the copywork project, but how much is adequate for just general shooting (I know for some folks there's never enough, but I don't anticipate hooking up to a telescope to do any deep space shots--though it might be fun to try some meteor showers sometime)? 

My old Canon 35mm had a timed release for getting me in the family group shots & reducing camera shake, but there were times I wished for a remote function; I've read about digital stabilization & want to eliminate shake as much as possible (I know even depressing a shutter button can introduce some movement in an image); I've found some fairly simple DIY options online for camera stands in order to mount a camera in a stable horizontal position over the target, but would certainly appreciate any thoughts on that as well.  

2)  The MacBook weight has never been an issue for me, but I'm not lugging it around for pix; I am wondering about the weight of the two Sonys at just under two pounds up to nearly four--wouldn't be an issue mounted on a camera stand, but am wondering in terms of just general point & shoot...does that seem like an awkward weight for those of you who take photos when just out & about?

3)  I generally understand the notion of memory cards--that hundreds/thousands of shots can be taken/stored/selected for printing (instead of having to process/print an entire roll of film).  In general, for the project I'm envisioning & general shooting, would I need multiple memory cards?  Purchased at the same time as the camera?  Again, general education needed.

4)  When the CR Chart reported number of shots/battery--are these cameras like my old Canon in which I replaced the NiCad battery as needed, or are these cameras like the laptop (or Kent's hot new firestick) where it's plugged in to recharge & go again?

     If it's rechargeable, do I buy a more than one at time of purchase as I did with my old camcorders, so that one is charging while one is in use?

I apologize for the length of the post, but the FOLD (thx, Lisa T. for the new-to-me acronym  ;D ) is the best source I've found for knowledge/experience/humor/ creativity on such a wide variety of topics (even if I don't drink coffee  :D)...truly what I call renaissance people , so thx for your input.

Lynne

Lynne
LDy Lulubelle, Green '05 31' TB
Lilly, the 4-Legged Alarm

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Reply #1
Big order indeed!

While I'm not experienced with the equipment you researched I know that the camera is the better way to go, vis a vie, the scanner, I've used both.

You most probably will get some feedback from other members but for all around knowledge and use I think I'd like to tap into the memory banks of Andy Baird.   ;)
Steve S.
Lazy Bones & Cedar
2004 30'IB (Island Bed)
Yesterday is History, Tomorrow is a Mystery
Live for the day!

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Lynne,

When I decided to return to the world of photography and abandon film, I choose a mid level Nikon-The D5200. $850 at the time a few years ago and it came with two lenses it’s still available for less than $500. It is DSLR (Digital Single Lens Reflex) and a very nice camera.  It has a flip up screen on the back.

This flip up screen can be very useful when you have your camera on a tripod. You can pivot the screen to your eye level and not have to stand over the camera to view the image in the screen.

While it is not a point and shoot per say, it does have automatic functions that can help you take your photo. As you become familiar with the camera, you can switch to the different manual modes to allow you more control over your image.

Nikon is not the only camera to offer this feature. Other manufactures offer similar functions.

Here is a very informative video by Jered Polin, a very talented photographer. He explains the differences in today’s camera choices between digital cameras with mirrors (DSLR) and Mirrorless cameras.

https://youtu.be/bYWwQOJee0g

As Jered says, “Which camera suits your needs”? You won’t need a $2,000 camera to accomplish your goals that’s for sure.

All digital cameras will most likely come with removable rechargeable batteries. All digital cameras will also have removable memory cards which can be replaced with cards able to store more images. From 4 gigabites to 64 gigabits and larger. A 16 gigabite card is a good choice. If for some reason the card crashes, you will not have lost all your pictures.

Don’t forget to back up your photos on dvd and external hard drive. They are an inexpensive safeguard against loosing all your hard work in this digital age. The cloud can be a good place to store images as well.

You have a lot of options...good luck with you selection and just keep shootin’

Kent
2015 27' RB "MissB.Haven"

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I think your cousin had the right idea. As long as you can provide good, even lighting, a camera is going to be much more useful for your project than a scanner.

Lighting is crucial for this kind of work. You're going to spend a fair amount of time paging through scrapbooks, and you don't want to have to do it all over again because the pictures turn out distorted or with odd color casts. I recommend against trying to use table lamps or light from a nearby window. Good lighting doesn't have to be expensive; you can make do with a light bar made from 2x4s and a couple of clamp-on brooder lamp-type reflector shades.

You'll want at least two lights placed a few feet from the subject, aimed at a 45° angle to minimize reflections. Daylight-balanced LED or compact fluorescent bulbs will do, and they needn't be super-powerful--100 watt equivalent bulbs should work. Above all, don't mix light sources with different color balances--for example, a table lamp (yellowish) and window light (bluish). You can correct a single color cast in software, but mixed-colored lighting is almost impossible to fix, even for an expert.

Awhile ago a friend of mine and I put together a website that explains the basics of photographing textile art. Most of what's there is applicable to photographing scrapbooks; you just have to scale it down. :-) The site is called "Shoot That Quilt!". Pay special attention to the "Gallery of Wrongs," which shows examples of what not to do.

If you have good lighting, almost any modern digital camera in the $150-and-up range will do a good job for your purposes. If you get one that has manual as well as automatic controls, so much the better. If I were doing this job, I'd use my iPhone--most smartphones nowadays have good cameras, and the iPhones are up there with the best. I have several digital cameras, but I do most of my day-to-day shooting with a two-year-old iPhone 7 Plus. But since you don't have a smartphone, you get to shop for a point-and-shoot camera. Canon, Nikon, and Panasonic, among others, all make very good small cameras. I'm partial to Panasonic's ZS-50, which packs a lot of features (including a 30x Leica zoom lens) into a very compact package, but a less expensive camera would also work.

When shooting, use the camera's highest quality and resolution settings. A 64 GB flash card will hold thousands of photos, and you'll transfer them to your MacBook and reuse the card ad infinitum. As Kent said, be sure those files get backed up! I'd buy a couple of cards--that's all you're likely to need. A spare battery is a must; I've found that Wasabi brand batteries and chargers work as well as the camera-makers' much more expensive ones. Bonus: most Wasabi chargers can run on either 120 VAC or 12 VDC, making them ideal for us RVers.

The most important thing is to get the lighting right. Do that, and any decent camera or smartphone can turn out good images of those scrapbook pages.

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Andy Baird
2021 Ford Ranger towing 2019 Airstream 19CB
Previously: 1985 LD Twin/King "Gertie"; 2003 LD Midbath "Skylark"

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This is about the best camera and digital photography website I have ever used.  When I'm in the market for a camera I go here for the latest information.  Side by side comparisons, review by price range, example pics, etc.

Digital Photography Review


Bob
2006 RK

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Film cameras do have an advantage over digital. They allow for different types of film to capture light. All of these films have different qualities allowing for the photographer to change film and get a totally different result with the same camera body.              When you buy a digital camera you are married to your sensor, for better or for worse. For optimum quality in choosing a digital camera that will serve you for years to come I would look at the sensor first, the optics second, and then try to predict what "bells and whistles" the camera body has that will serve your purposes now and also in the future years you will have the camera.
2005 MB

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Wow--thx so much for all the input so far, as well as links to more info.  I knew this community was the best place to get guidance.  Andy, thx for the additional advice on lighting--I know portrait photographers use indirect lighting, but had not thought of that for this project (I'd just figured on the camera's flash, like the light in a scanner/copier).  Now on to more research & application--as Buzz Lightyear says, "To infinity, and beyond!"  ;D

Bill, I've seen a number of articles about the advantages of film, that some photographers bought up all they could to stockpile as production has ceased, & a piece on PBS Newshour about Christopher Burkett who bought a ten-year supply of the large format film in which he specializes.   Landscape photographer races to finish decades of work | PBS NewsHour decades-of-work‎   One of the things I took away from my grad school photo class was enough understanding of the process to recognize how little I knew, which increased my appreciation of the work others do when combining an eye for composition & light with the technical understanding of the materials & processing...people who can combine science & art make magic.



Lynne
Lynne
LDy Lulubelle, Green '05 31' TB
Lilly, the 4-Legged Alarm

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I'm looking for thoughts about a camera because I've got a project I want to get done, plus to just take photos on occasion (I don't have a cellphone, much less a smart one with a camera,
I'm leaning towards a nice  (generally idiot-proof) "point & shoot."

Maybe starting with a new phone is a first step. 
Life is full of  "I wish I had a camera" moments, with a smart phone you do.
It's amazing how good the cameras are in the newer phones.  The smaller the camera, the more likely you are to carry it.
Many modern point and shoot cameras do not have remote shutter triggers available, instead they are WiFi and/or Bluetooth enabled and are controlled by an app on your smart phone.
The world is getting harder to navigate without a smart phone. Most of the photos I take today are on my iPhone.

Larry

Larry
2003 23.5' Front Lounge, since new.  Previously 1983 22' Front Lounge.
Tow vehicles  2020 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon, 2001 Jeep Cherokee
Photo Collection: Lazy Daze

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"Don't forget to back up your photos on dvd and external hard drive. They are an inexpensive safeguard against loosing all your hard work in this digital age. The cloud can be a good place to store images as well."

You have received a ton of good advice.  Please allow me toss in this thought about preservation by saying what we do in this regard.  Since the cards have become relatively inexpensive, we simply do not erase the cards, but instead file them as back ups.  Thus our photos are on the computer/iPhone/iPad AND on the nightly leapfrog back ups.  The original cards serve as yet a fourth area that these precious pixels live for eternity.  We like having them available locally, i.e. without an internet connection, rather than in "the cloud", particularly since we store nothing in the cloud.

Alternately, I agree that a large individual hard disk will hold a whole lotta snaps, and also be locally accessible!  This (not erasing the cards) works marvelously well for us, but others may disagree. 

   Virtual hugs,

   Judie

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Ah buying a camera debate ......   As an very very old guy I remember the days when the camera crowd had a fight over whether having a meter in the camera made you a photographer or not.    My advice is to first really really think about what will be the major use of your camera will be ie type of photographer.   If you think choosing a Rv if full of stuff then trust me camera gear is the king of bs.   Its real real easy to spent big $$$$$ and not get what you'll use in the long run.   <smile> I have, no kidding, a room full of camera gear and doodads  I just needed only to use them for one photo shot.   There is a saying the best camera is the one you have with you.
 With all the above in mind may I suggest a high end smart phone.   I talking about the flag ship Google Pixel 2or Apple iPhone.  Either will have great photo apps and editing software.  And the plus is you'll have a camera that you call make phone calls on.  In Android world we use  PhotoScan this app.   Both Google and Apple have storage plans that are very reasonable in cost.   This could solve the storage backup issues. 

BTW if you decide to buy a high end smart phone buy it from the vendor (they both have payments plans) and then select the phone plan that best suits your use.   Both phones can be used on any of the two  networks systems in the country. 
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2014 Twin King

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Interesting comment on the smart phone as a camera.  One of our friends who is a professional travel photographer runs photo-oriented trips to the South Pacific islands.  He says that the Chinese tourists who book his trips almost exclusively use phones as cameras and take them underwater for snorkeling trips and their photos rival any SLR's.

Another friend, who is a professional, took a photo trip to Argentina last year and only used his phone to shoot the trip.  His images were stunning.

I guess it ain't the jet; it's the pilot.

Harold
2014 27 MB
Towd: Either the Jeep Wrangler or trailer containing the BMW R1200GS and 2 E-bicycles
Happy wife=Happy life

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Judie said, “Alternately, I agree that a large individual hard disk will hold a whole lotta snaps, and also be locally accessible!  This (not erasing the cards) works marvelously well for us, but others may disagree.”

I still have every digital picture I have taken residing on their original memory cards. On a bad day, Best Buy has a 32 gig compact flash card at full retail. On I good day, they will have it marked down to about $35. I prefer the good days.

For hard drive storage, I have 2  4 terabyte
Drives that I got from Dell for about $100 each. I store identical sets of all my pics on both drives. One can never be too careful with digital images.

While digital files are fun to view on a computer, having a hard copy of your favorites is another way to store your images.

There are many photo printing services from which to choose. This is where the pixel count of your cameras sensor comes into play.

The higher the sensors pixel count the cleaner the final printed image as well as its ability to print those wall size photos of favorite vacation locations.

Kent
2015 27' RB "MissB.Haven"

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Bill is right that different films yield different results, but one can achieve pretty much the same thing by changing the white balance setting on a digital camera, plus, you can take the same shot with several different white balance settings.  I used to shoot film.  I now shoot digital, and would not want to go back to film.

Ken F in WY
'08 MB

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"Bill is right that different films yield different results..."

 :D  :D  :D

Holy Cow! I just ran across an old camera case that once held my Rollei 35 (Carl Zeiss Tessar 1:3.5 f=40mm).

In the case were two unused rolls of Kodak Gold 400. I'd nearly forgot about them since I went to digital.  8)
Steve S.
Lazy Bones & Cedar
2004 30'IB (Island Bed)
Yesterday is History, Tomorrow is a Mystery
Live for the day!

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"Bill is right that different films yield different results..."

 :D  :D  :D

Holy Cow! I just ran across an old camera case that once held my Rollei 35 (Carl Zeiss Tessar 1:3.5 f=40mm).

In the case were two unused rolls of Kodak Gold 400. I'd nearly forgot about them since I went to digital.  8)


When dad's mother moved down here in '69 (I think he drew the short straw when the boys decided she should be closer to one of them) her Kodak box camera came to the surface.  The guess was that the film in it was at least 20 years old, had been moved at least three times, & was probably no good, but Dad took it to the local drug store that sent stuff somewhere in Kansas City for processing; it was really cool to see the prints of Dad & his brothers as boys/young men before they were dads.  My other grandmother had prints tucked into a huge dictionary--I guess to keep them pressed flat, and it was great fun to have her tell about all those long-gone Great-great-greats...that's the only problem with the switch to digital--the disappearance of serendipitous "Remember this...?" or "Who's that?" moments because printing can be so easily selective.

Lynne
Lynne
LDy Lulubelle, Green '05 31' TB
Lilly, the 4-Legged Alarm

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Andy--

Thx so much for the link to Shoot That Quilt! (I got to it on Firefox because for some weird reason Safari keeps telling me it "can't establish a secure connection"...which has happened with a number of links--maybe it's my geriatric MacBook   :P ).  Like your writing on this site, it is clear, concise, understandable for those of us who are lower life forms (as my grad stat professor treated those of us who were not math brains), the right tweaks of humorous tone...plus the links to Dennis Curtin's online resources.   ;D   Oh, & the quilt examples are gorgeous!

It's a big ocean of information out there & I really appreciate all the suggestions I can get, because, like Dory I'll "Just keep swimming swimming swimming," and eventually get where I need to be.


Kent--

Loved the Jered video...though I had to watch it like three times because (LOL) he was going faster than my ADD could keep up & of course there's no way to slow down the video--oh, wait, there goes a squirrel...oh, yeah, great information about the differences between DSLRs & mirrorless--oh, wait, there goes a squirrel...  Well, anyway, Thx.  : >)
Lynne
Lynne
LDy Lulubelle, Green '05 31' TB
Lilly, the 4-Legged Alarm

 
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. . .for some weird reason Safari keeps telling me it "can't establish a secure connection"..
It has to do with the website digital signature issued by a 'trusted' authentication source.   Safari does not like to let me connect to the wifi at the local Kaiser hospital because they disagree about the authentication source. 
Firefox does not consider our connection to this site as secure.   
Joel
Joel & Terry Wiley
dog Zeke
2013  31 IB   Orwan   / 2011 CRV Tow'd LWEROVE