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Water Pump slow flow & PSI & replacement questions
I start with info on current pump issue and at the end (I will put a big QUESTIONS there so people can skip right there if they want), I have questions including is there any issues with original fixtures and changing 45psi pump to 60psi pump  and accumulator question.

Current pump issue:
Our water pump in our rig, a Sureflo 2088-422-444 that has a manufacture date of May 2003 (FG 5-02 is on label and Surflo said that was the date of the pump).

We tested it some but have not really used it until we prepared to go to Quartzsite last week. 
We first tried to just flush thru out fresh water tank but the outlet at the bottom of the RV didn't let anything out and we were not for sure it went to the fresh water tank (turns out it did but was all gunked up with stuff so nothing flowed out).
So we thought just run it thru the pipes.

It turns out that while the fresh water tank was empty (and likely had been for a handful of years), it had some of the pink antifreeze in it (probably from when the LD lived in the NE where freezing happens a lot). 
The water was pink, but it was flowing fine and becoming more clear.

However, as we got to the end of the fresh water tank, the water turned into pink foam.  We shut off the faucets and ran city water thru them (had a good flow and water became clear again).
Then we filled up the fresh water tank again and ran that thru the faucets.
Now the water pump only put out a trickle of water with a little pink color which became clear pretty quickly.
Over about 10-15 minutes the water stream increased, but only about 1/2 of what it had been originally on the pump.

It has remained at that level (we got the fresh water tank outlet working and emptied all fresh water out before going to quartzsite and just used bottled water for everything, and when we got back into town again filled up the fresh water tank but while clear it is still running at half stream.

We do have a pressurized tank, it looks like about 2 gallons, as part of the system (psi on it says 40).
I can take pictures of everything if that would make it clearer.

I talked to Sureflo tech support.  First thing he said is you have a very old water pump.
When I said it worked fine until we hit the pink foam at the end of the fresh water tank he said the pink antifreeze can leave a film and if a valve was already not perfect that could have been enough to have it sucking air into the system.

I ordered a new pump but figured before I installed it I would ask if anyone knew a simple quick magic trick that would get the pump water flow working strong again.

QUESTIONS:
1) Any simple quick magic trick that will get this old pump working again?  The cost of a new pump is low so I don't want to spend a lot of time or money trying to get the old one working, but I thought someone might say oh, that happened to me and I did and voila.....

2) PSI - the old pump is PSI 45.  We have heard pressure reducers set at 40 psi should be put between city water and the RV as the RV pipes and fittings won't tolerate higher pressures.
The new pump Shurflo said to get is the 4008-101-A65 which has 55psi and 3gpm - this seems to be the one most of you all are using.
Any problems with the older (1989) plumbing pipes/fittings/fixtures with 55psi? 
I would like to do updates over time and not all of a sudden have to do several days worth right now because I put in a new pump.
What about using the 4028-100-E54 - 50 psi and 2.3 gpm? Is that a better choice when mostly boondocking?
Or use the stronger water pump and just reduce flow with aerators and fixtures that do low gpm since I plan to replace faucets, showerhead, and toilet in the near future (e.g. this year sometime).

3) Accumulators.  In reading reviews for Amazon and this forum, I learned that Sureflo didn't like people putting accumulators with their water pumps even though they sell one. 
We do have a pressurized tank, it looks like about 2 gallons, as part of the plumbing system (psi on it says 40 though we think that varies some).
I have not traced plumbing to see what goes where (we just figured out how to pull those kitchen drawers out all the way), but I would guess that was an accumulator and was installed to use with the original water pump when the first owners did a lot of improvements shortly after buying their new LD.
From discussions on this forum it sounds like it helps with surging and we should leave it in place.
Anyone have problems with theirs?
I can take pictures / do drawings of how this tank fits into the plumbing if needed.

Thanks for any help, shared experiences, idea/advice,
Jane

Jane & Scott
Currently have a 1989 TK  LD we did a lot of upgrades on.
Bigfoot 25RQ Twin on order with early summer 2024 ETA

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Re: Water Pump slow flow & PSI & replacement questions
Reply #1
Jane-

The Shurflo 4008 is a common replacement.

If you haven't looked at it yet, the Lazy Daze Companion is a great resource. Articles on  water pumps are here.

Accumulators have their place, but are generally not needed. We did not have one on the LD, but do have one on the current (Class A) coach. It solves a very specific problem that could not be solved by other methods.

Mark
Former owner, 31-foot gas Class A
Former owner, 1997-8 mid-bath

Re: Water Pump slow flow & PSI & replacement questions
Reply #2
I replaced my stock 55psi waterpump with the  4008-100-E54 50psi pump and although it has reduced flow, I haven't noticed any difference while using the LD.
2014 27 MB
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Re: Water Pump slow flow & PSI & replacement questions
Reply #4
Is there a filter in the water pump inlet line? If so, it is likely clogged and should be cleaned out.

Steve
2004 FL
2013 Honda Fit

Re: Water Pump slow flow & PSI & replacement questions
Reply #5
We replaced our Shurflo last year with this Flojet Amazon.com: Flojet 03526-144A Triplex Diaphragm Automatic Water System Pump,...
So far so good. And it is quieter. Less expensive too.

Which model Shurflo did it replace and can you use the old connections on this new pump?

Jim
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Re: Water Pump slow flow & PSI & replacement questions
Reply #6
Which model Shurflo did it replace and can you use the old connections on this new pump?

Jim

I don't remember the model but it was the original equipment from 2002. It was a direct bolt in replacement. We were on the road when the old one failed. Stopped at a rv dealer and they had both brands of pumps. The tech recommended the Flojet and it took him about 15 minutes to install it in our midbath.
Lynn and Lori

Re: Water Pump slow flow & PSI & replacement questions
Reply #7
Steve - there is no external filter and Sureflo didn’t say check any built in filter.

I will check companion articles - thanks for that reminder.
Jane & Scott
Currently have a 1989 TK  LD we did a lot of upgrades on.
Bigfoot 25RQ Twin on order with early summer 2024 ETA

Our smartphone autocorrects into very poor English.
 We disclaim the illusion of ignorance this creates as we have enough ignorance we rightly claim.

Re: Water Pump slow flow & PSI & replacement questions
Reply #8
I looked at the installation manual for the new pump and it has a filter, right under the input.
I will check our existing pump to see if we can find one.
I also found some non-ld discussions on the current model that said clean the filter & diaphragm.
Jane & Scott
Currently have a 1989 TK  LD we did a lot of upgrades on.
Bigfoot 25RQ Twin on order with early summer 2024 ETA

Our smartphone autocorrects into very poor English.
 We disclaim the illusion of ignorance this creates as we have enough ignorance we rightly claim.

Re: Water Pump slow flow & PSI & replacement questions
Reply #9

I don't remember the model but it was the original equipment from 2002. It was a direct bolt in replacement. We were on the road when the old one failed. Stopped at a rv dealer and they had both brands of pumps. The tech recommended the Flojet and it took him about 15 minutes to install it in our midbath.
That would be the Whisper King in '02.

Chris
Formerly: 2002 30' IB

Re: Water Pump slow flow & PSI & replacement questions
Reply #10

The reduced water flow may be the result of clogged faucet aerators.
Pull the aerators off the bath and kitchen faucets and see if the flow increases.
The aerators are often removed during flushing to speed the process up.

The 4008 is a well proven pump and does not need an accumulator, its owners manual tell not to use one.
Of course, I had to try anyway and the pump didn't sound right, it messes with the pump's bypass valve.

You can adjust the 4008's operating pressure and you should keep it low with your LD's somewhat fragile gray pipe.
The bypass adjustment allows the pump to run without pulsing badly.
This would allow the removal of the rather larger 2-gallon accumulator, providing more of that scarce commodity in the T/K, storage space.

While you are working on the water system, pick up a water heater flushing tool.
You will be surprised at the amount of soft, white hard-water deposits that will flush out.
Amazon.com: Camco 11691 Water Heater Tank Rinser: Automotive

Larry

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Larry
2003 23.5' Front Lounge, since new.  Previously 1983 22' Front Lounge.
Tow vehicles  2020 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon, 2001 Jeep Cherokee
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Re: Water Pump slow flow & PSI & replacement questions
Reply #11
"clogged faucet aerators" as Larry mentioned was my problem.  I recently replaced my 2005 pump with the 4008.  I also cleaned out the water heater, which stirred up a lot of junk.  My kitchen faucet clogged up pretty quickly after that.  Wish I'd of known to remove the aerators before hand.  Still the kitchen faucet was so clogged I had to dissasemble the entire spray head to fix it.

Bob
2006 RK

 
Re: Water Pump slow flow & PSI & replacement questions
Reply #12
FIXED.

We don’t have aerators on our faucets but I was surprised at how many posts on various forums had slow water flow in all faucets all,of a sudden and cleaning all the aerators fixed the problem.

We cleaned the Diaphram (and the part it sat on).
We now have stronger flow then ever before.
I will post info soon with pics of what we did.
It wasn’t difficult but getting into small areas and doing it by feel only does make it a longer task (as did testing things as we went).
Jane
Jane & Scott
Currently have a 1989 TK  LD we did a lot of upgrades on.
Bigfoot 25RQ Twin on order with early summer 2024 ETA

Our smartphone autocorrects into very poor English.
 We disclaim the illusion of ignorance this creates as we have enough ignorance we rightly claim.