Re: 24' TK vs. 27' MB Reply #25 – November 16, 2016, 11:41:15 am Quote from: HiLola - November 15, 2016, 10:42:17 amThanks for your response, Judie. I think we will probably go with the 27 footer so let me switch it up and add another question as we are still uncertain which model we prefer, MB or RB. We noticed on the RB floorplan that the fridge will be closed off in the bathroom when the bath room door is shut. Have you found this to be a negative? Other RB owners feel free to chime in!A followup question for 27 ft. RB owners: Is there a curtain that separates the front lounge area and kitchen/ dining area?
Re: 24' TK vs. 27' MB Reply #26 – November 16, 2016, 12:01:25 pm Quote from: HiLola - November 16, 2016, 11:41:15 amA followup question for 27 ft. RB owners: Is there a curtain that separates the front lounge area and kitchen/ dining area?No but a curtain could be made. Where to park the curtain, when not is use, might be a problem.Larry
Re: 24' TK vs. 27' MB Reply #27 – November 16, 2016, 05:47:29 pm Quote from: sawyerfamily - November 16, 2016, 12:19:59 am"How do you secure the items in your overhead loft when traveling? Just wondering."Knowing that items 'walk' forward during travel, we have placed a large sheet of thin (?1/8") Formica laminate on top of the loft mattress. All stowed items are in bins. The bins walk forward during travel, and can be pulled off with relative ease when we need to fetch something. The laminate makes a more slippery surface than the fabric for moving bins around. I suppose if we rolled the rig, it would be really ugly, because the bins aren't secured beyond the natural forward motion and strategic packing.My wife forgot to mention that we are relatively small so we keep the above cab bed open when we travel. The few times items have fallen off, there is no danger of hitting driver or passenger.
Re: 24' TK vs. 27' MB Reply #28 – November 16, 2016, 09:17:21 pm Quote from: HiLola - November 16, 2016, 11:41:15 amA followup question for 27 ft. RB owners: Is there a curtain that separates the front lounge area and kitchen/ dining area?Aside from Larry's observation that there's no obvious place to "park" the curtain when not in use, half of the border between the two areas is occupied by ceiling-level cabinets. You'd need two curtain rails and two different lengths of curtain to really separate the areas. It's similar to the challenge you have if you wanted a curtain between the kitchen & lounge of a TK. A simple solution might be to use hooks on the ceiling & under the cabinets along with two sets of curtains of different lengths. 1 Likes
Re: 24' TK vs. 27' MB Reply #29 – November 17, 2016, 10:09:54 am "Is there a curtain that separates the front lounge area and kitchen/ dining area?"----The logistical issues of how to hang (put up, take down, push aside when moving around in the rig, store) a curtain in a RB would be a lot of hassle, IMO. If the concern is privacy and/or "space separation", perhaps the MB would offer a better choice than the RB? Or, if one could work with a smaller rig, maybe a TK, which has an accordion folding "door" to separate the cab/bath area from the galley/living area? YMMV, of course! Joan 1 Likes
Re: 24' TK vs. 27' MB Reply #30 – November 17, 2016, 10:48:17 am Quote from: JCT - November 17, 2016, 10:09:54 am"Is there a curtain that separates the front lounge area and kitchen/ dining area?"----The logistical issues of how to hang (put up, take down, push aside when moving around in the rig, store) a curtain in a RB would be a lot of hassle, IMO. If the concern is privacy and/or "space separation", perhaps the MB would offer a better choice than the RB? Or, if one could work with a smaller rig, maybe a TK, which has an accordion folding "door" to separate the cab/bath area from the galley/living area? YMMV, of course! JoanThankQuote from: bearthio - November 16, 2016, 09:17:21 pmAside from Larry's observation that there's no obvious place to "park" the curtain when not in use, half of the border between the two areas is occupied by ceiling-level cabinets. You'd need two curtain rails and two different lengths of curtain to really separate the areas. It's similar to the challenge you have if you wanted a curtain between the kitchen & lounge of a TK. A simple solution might be to use hooks on the ceiling & under the cabinets along with two sets of curtains of different lengths. Thanks, Andrew! Sounds like a curtain is not an easy addition so will have to think about that. Another question I have is dumping in the RB vs. the MB. I seem to remember reading that one has to connect the dump hose to the black valve, then to the gray valve to dump in the MB. Is the RB the same way?
Re: 24' TK vs. 27' MB Reply #31 – November 17, 2016, 11:57:50 am HILOLA,Actually, a curtain between the galley and the living space may be easily accomplished with a long enough spring loaded curtain rod (not a stretched spring) and a light curtain. The division between the two spaces is evenly divided with the door jam on one side and the separation between the dinette window valance and the living room valance. Now the big issue will be how tall are you? Placing a curtain at this junction, for me, will place the curtain at chin level while standing. To go from one zone to another will require a bit of a "limbo" move. While sitting at the dinette or a couch the curtain will be nicely situated. Kind of like a "Rancho" style home with partial walls that don't quite reach the ceiling. As an after thought, I suppose an additional curtain could span the area between the cabinets. This would completely close off the area to avoid the "Rancho" wall effect.Storage while not in use? If you have the cab over sleeper, just tuck it up front. Done deal.Personally, I've never encountered a need for the division, but I'm used to the "quiet as a mouse" technique in the morning as my DW or guests are still sleeping.Seems like a doable venture though and could be an easy task to accomplish while still maintaining the overall openness of the RB floor plan.Onto another matter-The Black/Gray tank dump valves. The RB valves are connected together (more or less) with one hose needed to accomplish the task.I have attached photos of both the possible curtain location and the dump valves for the RB.Good luck.Kent 1 Likes
Re: 24' TK vs. 27' MB Reply #32 – November 17, 2016, 02:25:22 pm HILOLA,,I found an example of an extendable curtain rod on eBay. About $25 and made to hold a shower curtain so it should work for your purpose. However, this will work only if the curtain is placed between the two opposing cabinets (a 5' distance whereas from side to side the distance is about 8') as shown in the attached photo.Here are a couple of pics and item details.Kent 1 Likes
Re: 24' TK vs. 27' MB Reply #33 – November 17, 2016, 02:40:20 pm Thank you much for the information and photos, which are very helpful. As others have said, decisions, decisions! We will probably change our minds a few more times before we finally decide, lol! While I will continue researching the options and asking questions, I think we are at the point where we just need to view the different models in person. Looking forward to Morro Bay in March!
Re: 24' TK vs. 27' MB Reply #34 – November 17, 2016, 02:44:01 pm Quote from: Kent Heckethorn - November 17, 2016, 11:57:50 amPersonally, I've never encountered a need for the division, but I'm used to the "quiet as a mouse" technique in the morning as my DW or guests are still sleeping.What, not even while you drink your morning COFFEE?
Re: 24' TK vs. 27' MB Reply #35 – November 17, 2016, 02:57:54 pm HILOLA,Ok so now I have too much time on my hands. If the extendable rod idea works for you, I found an option for a locking rod that will "go the distance".It's a pruning tool that can be adapted to suit your needs. Simply remove the accessory on the end and "size to fit" your desired application.Here's a shot of the item on eBay or your home improvement store of choice. They extend to about 15' if needed.Good luck with your LD choice.Kent
Re: 24' TK vs. 27' MB Reply #36 – November 17, 2016, 03:12:51 pm Quote from: HiLola - November 17, 2016, 02:44:01 pmWhat, not even while you drink your morning COFFEE? My new Moka Pot is amazingly quiet. Wait! Shhhh...I think I hear it calling. Moka, Moka, Moka...Trying some thin' New. The Coffee Bean Organic Guatemala Blend. "Smokey robust flavor, balanced brightness and honey, caramel finish". Very nice.And that's what's "Behind Curtain Number One".Kent 2 Likes
Re: 24' TK vs. 27' MB Reply #37 – November 17, 2016, 03:35:47 pm Quote from: Kent Heckethorn - November 17, 2016, 02:57:54 pmHILOLA,Ok so now I have too much time on my hands. If the extendable rod idea works for you, I found an option for a locking rod that will "go the distance".It's a pruning tool that can be adapted to suit your needs. Simply remove the accessory on the end and "size to fit" your desired application.Here's a shot of the item on eBay or your home improvement store of choice. They extend to about 15' if needed.Good luck with your LD choice.KentI like that option- I can take care of those low-hangin' branches before parking, then use it as a curtain rod! 2 Likes
Re: 24' TK vs. 27' MB Reply #38 – November 26, 2016, 09:22:14 am "pros and cons between the 24' TK and 27' MB"I just sold my 2003 Twin-King which I had bought new and RVed in for over 13 years. I have ordered a 2017 Mid-Bath which is supposed to be ready in the spring. The T-K was perfect for one person. However, when I had a guest or my grandchildren with me, I missed not having a separate area for them. It was especially difficult when I would wake up early and had no place to sit down because the sofas were occupied. I decided to change models for three reasons: 1. My T-K had almost 100,000 miles and I didn't want to have to worry about breakdowns and maintaining the engine. So as long as I was getting another LD, I thought I would try another model. 2. Have separate quarters for guests. 3. I have always slept above the cab and plan to continue to do so for as long as I am able to climb up and down the cab-over-bed. When the time comes and I can no longer sleep there, I plan to designate one of the sofas as a permanent bed. Then I would still have additional seating in the dining area in the kitchen. I am having the same table as the T-K has installed in the rear lounge. I like the idea of having a table for eating and a separate one for my laptop and projects. Backing up the LD has been challenging for me. I am worried about how I will manage the Mid-Bath with its longer length. I will have the back-up camera. If I can find an RV instructor, I will take backing-up lessons. Monica 1 Likes
Re: 24' TK vs. 27' MB Reply #39 – November 26, 2016, 10:30:37 am "Backing up the LD has been challenging for me. I am worried about how I will manage the Mid-Bath with its longer length. I will have the back-up camera. If I can find an RV instructor, I will take backing-up lessons."----Monica, since you drove (and backed up!) your TK almost 100k without mishap, I'm pretty sure that you'll be able to do the same with the MB, particularly since the MB will have a back-up camera. Yes, it will take a lot of practice to learn to judge the "markers" and distance calculations; I suggest setting up an "obstacle course" of orange traffic cones in an empty parking lot (if you can find one!) to practice maneuvering. Another person, preferably one with whom you can set up and agree on consistent hand signals will be very helpful for cone-setting and directions.)An additional "marker" tool as a vertical guide to learn back-end placement is to insert long sticks (2"x2s", old mop handles, whatever) into two cones; the cones should be placed about 8"-12" wider than the rig (on each side) to start with. After a few successful back-ups to put the rear of the rig at the edge of the sticks - without knocking over the sticks and/or the cones! - you can move the markers a little closer to the width of the rig. I did take driving instructions (www.rvschool.com , then owned by Dick Reed) when I picked up my TK 13 years ago; even though I had driven smaller RVs, and also had driven large vehicles on the ranch, I figured that I could always learn more! My instructor, an ex-trucker and excellent teacher, used the brim of his Stetson (on his head!) as a "back up to here" marker! (He said that it saved hauling cones around.) I did warn him that I had (and have) very poor depth perception; was he really sure about the wisdom of his technique!? It took several tries (one can back a rig at an almost imperceptible rate of speed!) to put the back end of the rig right at his hat brim, but he remained vertical. My depth perception has not improved, but I've managed to compensate!One lesson that is critical to everybody, no matter how experienced, no matter how skilled, and no matter what the weather is, is GOAL, i.e., Get Out And Look! The one time I did not do that - it was raining hard - I backed into a sprinkler standard hidden in some bushes; re-learned the GOAL lesson from a pricey factory repair to a big dent in a corner of the bumper and a scrape on the end cap. Even if one has a back-up camera and/or a competent spotter, if there is any doubt at all about clearance or placement when maneuvering, GOAL! This simple piece of advice and its companion, TIS, i.e., Take It Slow! will very likely save the rig from a lot of damage!As ever, YMMV!Joan 5 Likes
Re: 24' TK vs. 27' MB Reply #40 – November 26, 2016, 11:09:34 am "One lesson that is critical to everybody, no matter how experienced, no matter how skilled, and no matter what the weather is, is GOAL, i.e., Get Out And Look!"Absolutely. When I think back on the times I got myself into trouble with my LDs, in almost every case it was because I was too lazy to get out and look. 2 Likes
Re: 24' TK vs. 27' MB Reply #41 – December 02, 2016, 07:32:22 pm Hello,I'm trying to decide this same matter... 24' TK vs 27 MB. I need to make my decision by Sunday 12-4-16!! There will be occasion when my daughter and her 4 young kids will be using it. Driving a 27 foot rig seems so big! My last rig was a 21 ft Minnie Winnie and that was a fright at times.I think I would get the 27 MB if I didn't have to wait nearly a year to receive it. It's almost impossible to find a used one for sale!Can the table by the twin couches be made to take on and off? I don't like it suspended so high. Has anyone done that?I appreciate any input.Thanks,sandy 1 Likes
Re: 24' TK vs. 27' MB Reply #42 – December 03, 2016, 12:01:15 am "Also, if I do get the 24 ft Twin King Does anyone know how to make the back table removable ? The Lazy Daze worker mentioned someone out there knows how to do this."Copied from your other post, Sandy.I have a '15 TK and previously, a MB.The dinette table on the MB is held in place by two brackets, for the lack of a better word, attached to the wall, and by one leg. The table is easily removed by simply lifting it straight up. I suspect you could buy these brackets from LD.The table on the TK is attached to the wall with two hinges and designed to be folded up as needed. While I have never done it because I simply can't see the need to do so, I imagine with some thought and a little work, the hinges could be replaced with the same brackets that are used on the MB. That would make the table removable. After it's removed, it would need to be stored somewhere.Ed 1 Likes
Re: 24' TK vs. 27' MB Reply #43 – December 03, 2016, 09:57:00 am Quote from: ssragan - December 02, 2016, 07:32:22 pmCan the table by the twin couches be made to take on and off? I don't like it suspended so high. Has anyone done that?I must say that I am not a fan of that arrangement either. Haven't seen the newer TK's in person yet but it seems like that table would block your views. On my '85 TK, the table was removable. Any newer TK owners out there have any input?
Re: 24' TK vs. 27' MB Reply #44 – December 03, 2016, 10:47:51 am Quote from: HiLola - December 03, 2016, 09:57:00 amI must say that I am not a fan of that arrangement either. Haven't seen the newer TK's in person yet but it seems like that table would block your views. On my '85 TK, the table was removable. Any newer TK owners out there have any input?Yes when the table is 'up' it will block view. Since we only put it up when we are sleeping it's not a problem for us. 2 Likes
Re: 24' TK vs. 27' MB Reply #45 – December 03, 2016, 11:00:32 am Quote from: colddog - December 03, 2016, 10:47:51 am"...Yes when the table is 'up' it will block view..."Hmmm,I thought the table was an option in the TK. If so then why order that particular table? The table slung up in front of those beautiful back windows is just strange in my opinion.In our 27' RB we had the option, if my memory is correct, of adding a pedestal table between the couches up front. In our old Prowler TT, we had a pedestal table that would store in the closet. The center pedestal was a bit wonky, but it worked. Too tall? Shave off part of the pedestal. Don't like the pedestal? There are optional fold up tables available no doubt. Try checking the garden center at your local Lowes.Just a thought.Kent
Re: 24' TK vs. 27' MB Reply #46 – December 03, 2016, 11:08:48 am I installed a table in our 2005 MB using a Patrick Metals #164922 table support bracket. They are available on E-bay, Amazon and some RV stores. Ignore the white bracket I had to make. This was because we did not have the table installed at the factory: thus there was no backing where the bracket needed to mount. When the table was not in use , we stored it behind the passenger seat, and the extension table behind the drivers seat.Dave and Sandy2014 Mid BathLD Table - Google Photos 1 Likes
Re: 24' TK vs. 27' MB Reply #47 – December 03, 2016, 11:27:40 am Quote from: colddog - December 03, 2016, 10:47:51 amYes when the table is 'up' it will block view. Since we only put it up when we are sleeping it's not a problem for us.I hear what you're saying but there are times at night when one may want to not have the view blocked. For instance, in my '85 we were backed into a site right on a creek at Great Basin NP. It was very private and we were able to enjoy a nice view of the stars! It would be nice if the Mothership gave the option of removing the table.Just sayin' . . . 1 Likes
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