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More information - No turn signals / hazard flasher and some curious
Yahoo Message Number: 150690
Haphazardly I neglected to mention that my Lazy Daze is a 1999 E450 (26 IB ) Present plan is to drive carefully until I find a Ford Dealer who can code it out and hopefully repair quickly..  On the road and have lost turn signals and hazard flasher lights..fuses all good Possibly related is an intermittent issue with the ABS / Brake dashboard lights coming on ..but sometimes resetting upon stopping and restarting engine.. not sure if it is related but noticed this just before I realized the turn signals were not working.. All Fuses good...unsuccessful in locating the flasher unit(s) or any good information about them (is there one flasher unit for both? Is it integrated into a "module"? etc.? In my present location near Troy, AL the Ford dealer and all reputable shops with code readers are unable to get to it...any information / recommendations / observations appreciated
Re: More information - No turn signals / hazard flasher and some cur
Reply #1 –
Yahoo Message Number: 150697
I just want to make sure that the fuses near the battery under the hood were checked.  Had a problem several years ago where a loose wire in the tow electrical umbilical in a friend's rig shorted out the turn signal.  The fuse was found under the hood.  In our 2002, the turn signal flasher is up under the dash, left of the steering column.

Art
Art and Barbara
Settled in Atterdag Village of Solvang
2015-2022 fulltime in a 2016 Tiffin Allegro Bus 37AP
2002-2015 2002 LD MB
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Re: More information - No turn signals / hazard flasher and some cur
Reply #2 –
Yahoo Message Number: 150701
Quick note - from on the road in Mexico -

I had a similar problem when leaving a campsite, no turn signals or hazard flasher... I tried every likely fuse with no success.  Question - do you happen to have jacks?  After I finally decided to continue carefully down the road, I noticed that the switch was on for the jacks, and when I turned it off suddenly the turn signals worked perfectly again!  No idea what the connection is, but I'm sure careful now to turn the switch OFF after "upping" the jacks and taking off the emergency brake -- before I head down the road.  No problems since.  YMMV

Kristin from Alaska
1997 MB
Re: More information - No turn signals / hazard flasher and some cur
Reply #4 –
Yahoo Message Number: 150703
Ford Motorhome 24/7 Service Assistance, 1-800-444-3311, called around Tennessee and Alabama to find me a dealer that would fit me in when we had mechanical problems. You might try that.
Linda Allen 31' 2008 TB
Re: More information - No turn signals / hazard flasher and some cur
Reply #5 –
Yahoo Message Number: 150706
It's doubtful that a code reader will help with the turn signal problem...
More information - No turn signals / hazard flasher and some cur
Reply #6 –
Yahoo Message Number: 150700
I just had something similar in me 1992/1993, but my turn  signals stopped working and the hazard flasher lights were working. I had  to remove the shroud around the steering column to get to the ts/hf  switch unit mounted on the steering column. It was attached with two screws and  two wiring harness that just unplug. For my year the manual says to  remove the steering wheel, but it was not necessary. Easy job and  now  everything is working. I hope this helps.
Bill
More information - No turn signals / hazard flasher and some cur
Reply #7 –
Yahoo Message Number: 160350
Did anyone have a resolution to this issue? I have a LD 98 26.5 MB E450 V10 and inadvertently when I was wiring in an additional plug for trailer lights crossed ground with one of the wires and have no turn signals or flasher. Brake and running lights are fine. I have removed all of my handy work. I have checked the two fuses in the main panel under the hood, not burned out but I replaced them any way. I later checked all fuses in that box. Checked in the fuse box under the panel dash left of the steering wheel, checked all fuses. I removed the flasher relay checked it (looked ok). Checked the power at the relay, no power. Lastly I can replace the relay when I can get the part tonight but since I did not get power at the relay I am guessing that is not the issue and this LD does not have jack to be retracted. Also lastly I traced the wiring from ford to LD to make sure that there is not an in line fuse somewhere.

Any ideas?

Karen~Liam 98 26.55 MB
1998 ~ MB  WanderDaze
previously a 1984 Winnebago itaska- The Road Warrior, before that several VW Buses and before that a 1965 Chrysler Convertible Newport or our 1969 Chrysler La Barron with an ice box and a couple sleeping bags
Re: More information - No turn signals / hazard flasher and some cur
Reply #8 –
Yahoo Message Number: 160351
Did anyone have a resolution to this issue? I have a LD 98 26.5 MB E450 V10 and inadvertently when I was wiring in an additional plug for trailer lights crossed ground with one of the wires and have no turn signals or flasher. Brake and running lights are fine. I have removed all of my handy work. I have checked the two fuses in the main panel under the hood, not burned out but I replaced them any way. I later checked all fuses in that box. Checked in the fuse box under the panel dash left of the steering wheel, checked all fuses. I removed the flasher relay checked it (looked ok). Checked the power at the relay, no power. Lastly I can replace the relay when I can get the part tonight but since I did not get power at the relay I am guessing that is not the issue and this LD does not have jack to be retracted. Also lastly I traced the wiring from ford to LD to make sure that there is not an in line fuse somewhere.

Any ideas?

Karen~Liam 98 26.55 MB
1998 ~ MB  WanderDaze
previously a 1984 Winnebago itaska- The Road Warrior, before that several VW Buses and before that a 1965 Chrysler Convertible Newport or our 1969 Chrysler La Barron with an ice box and a couple sleeping bags
Re: More information - No turn signals / hazard flasher and some cur
Reply #9 –
Yahoo Message Number: 160355
Karen~Liam It sounds like your Flasher Unit (metal cased capacitor) is bad. that is the main culprit whenever you lose both turn signals and hazard lights.. I had to replace mine in a 99 26.5 IB last year and I searched for hours to try and find it... asked for help on the forum and never found it.. finally took it to the local Ford dealer who found it quickly under the carpet in the area of the brake pedal... He explained that in the RVs he finds them everywhere as each manufacturer / model is likely to be different.. Since yours is only a year older - Recommend you look in the same place and give the flasher unit replacement a try.. If it isn't the problem at least you will be in the area that you take some resistance measurements and see where they lead..
Keep us posted on what you find.. it will be good corporate knowledge. Good Luck..
John
Shift Colors - Underway
1999 26.5 IB
Re: More information - No turn signals / hazard flasher and some cur
Reply #10 –
Yahoo Message Number: 160361
Thanks John, I suspectedthe relay to be the problem, on my 98 it is located to the right next to the fuse box. I removed it but it looked ok. I tested power at that location and found no power to that circuit, unless it needs that relay to work for power to pass through. I have been looking for a wiring diagram to trace out the circuit. I have a new relay coming in tonight. I will let you know when I put in the new one in.

~Liam
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Reply #11 –
Yahoo Message Number: 160364
Had a similar problem  😡  check the grounds. Body needs 2 make the lights work.
Re: More information - No turn signals / hazard flasher and some cur
Reply #12 –
Yahoo Message Number: 160395
We put in the new relay last night but that did not fix the problem. There is no power at the relay, I have the wiring diagram and will trace it from that, looks like the column covers will have to come off and check the flasher switch or turn switch. I did not have time last night but I will work on it today and report back...
1998 ~ MB  WanderDaze
previously a 1984 Winnebago itaska- The Road Warrior, before that several VW Buses and before that a 1965 Chrysler Convertible Newport or our 1969 Chrysler La Barron with an ice box and a couple sleeping bags
Re: More information - No turn signals / hazard flasher and some cur
Reply #13 –
Yahoo Message Number: 160405
Liam, Earlier I recommended that you change out the flasher unit, (metal encased capacitor) which may be found under the carpet in the area of the brake petal...It is usually silver and can shaped. Your reply mentioned the relay, which is a different component.. You probably already know all this but clarifying just in case. When the flasher unit fails, turn signals and hazard lights do not work and I suspect it could cause other symptoms if it shorted completely.. Worth a try if you haven't already changed it out.. Good luck .. John
Shift Colors - Underway
1999 26.5 IB
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Reply #14 –
Yahoo Message Number: 160408
If you happened to change to LED bulbs during this period of maintenance, that could also create a No-Flash problem.
Re: More information - No turn signals / hazard flasher and some cur
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Yahoo Message Number: 160412
Solved the issue of the emergency flasher and turn signal failure.
Thank You to all of You who contributed information and ideas to help me solve this issue. I used the wiring diagram which Mark forwarded, this gave me a map to work by (Great Thanks Mark). I traced circuits and determined that power was not passing through the emergency flasher and turn signal switch module and not getting to the electronic flasher which I replaced Sunday night. Fortunately our auto parts store here on the island stocked the switch module and I installed it and tested for power at the electronic flasher which now worked so I reconnected all the plugs and put the steering column back together. Now after going through this whole discovery process, I believe that I did not short the the system and cause the lights failure as I first thought. I think that I had connected the ground for the trailer lights to the running lights circuit by mistake but had not grounded it yet to the body so no completed circuit ground. So when I first pressed the emergency flasher to test the trailer lights it failed on its own and not by a mis-grounded circuit. Also since I had just made this wiring change I suspected that I did it and was looking in the wrong place. If I had been not working on the lights and just pressed the emergency flasher on the side of the highway I would have figured the electronic flasher module or column flasher switch, way faster and $13 for a electronic flasher and $88 for the emergency & turn signal module.

I had called several Ford dealer service departments but found that around here they make appointments for you to bring it in and will not diagnose with you on the phone, if fact one dealer said that it is part of the emergency equipment and can not legally share information with non trained personnel.
Again Thanks to LWALD forum I got the information I needed to trouble shoot and repair...

Karen~Liam 98 26.5 MB Blu
1998 ~ MB  WanderDaze
previously a 1984 Winnebago itaska- The Road Warrior, before that several VW Buses and before that a 1965 Chrysler Convertible Newport or our 1969 Chrysler La Barron with an ice box and a couple sleeping bags
More information - No turn signals / hazard flasher and some cur
Reply #16 –
Yahoo Message Number: 160414
Thanks for the remote assist! My 97 is now doing the same thing, no turn signals. They worked intermittently last week coming back from CO, but now they are dead.

Chuck Myers 97RB @Hartford IA
1997 RB
 
Re: More information - No turn signals / hazard flasher and some cur
Reply #17 –
Yahoo Message Number: 160424
Chuck, there 4 fuses related, the inside fuse box under dash left of brake numbers 7 & 11. In the fuse box in the engine compartment they are 5 & 6. The electronic flasher in the 98 is to the right of the under dash fuse box and is a plastic box attached to a metal clip, it's a three prong plug in cost about $14. If all of your 4 fuses are good and you do not have power to the electronic flasher your switch may be bad cost about $85. You will have to disassemble the steering column to check power to the switches. I would first check those 4 fuses, then see if power is getting to the electronic flasher and lastly the column. Depending on what changes Ford made between model years you may have a different set of fuses and locations. I recall that John said that his 99 26.5 MB had the electronic flasher under the carpet and it was a metal box. If you have no luck with finding the electronic flasher or fuses don't correlate I would get a wiring diagram for your model and year. There are other maxi fuses in the engine compartment fuse box that can contribute to the issue.

Hope that helps out

~Liam


Thanks for the remote assist! My 97 is now doing the same thing, no turn signals. They worked intermittently last week coming back from CO, but now they are dead.

Chuck Myers 97RB @Hartford IA