Lazy Daze Owners' Group

O.C.C.C. and Related Things

January 30, 2015, 10:22:16 pm

Yahoo Message Number: 150679

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Hi Glen,
 I notice that the URL that was originally in my posting got clobbered a little by Yahoo; it disconnected the "web page ID." As a result the URL does not lead to the standards document.  It may be because I indented the thing. I will try again:
 http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=690ee06d18e3659d47749b056d5f1f41&node=se49.6.571_1120&rgn=div8 (I tried this URL after creating this email & it works. Hopefully it will appear in Yahoo Groups forum correctly.)
 You are correct, the standard was adopted in 2008 and has been altered a few times since then. A 2005 vehicle would not have been subject to the standard.
 Please allow me to make a few comments on the subject of vehicle labels. I feel that this is something that every RV owner or prospective purchaser needs to know. It can save a lot of pain and trouble.
 Based on the description of the labels on a 2014 Lazy Daze, LD does not conform to the Federal/RVIA standard. (But I believe that LD's carry an RVIA certification sticker; or at least mine did.) Per the Federal standard the label is to be yellow and placed on the passenger side door post. Applicable sections of the standard: S10.4   Each motor home and RV trailer single stage or final stage manufacturer must affix either a motor home occupant and cargo carrying capacity (OCCC) label (Figure 1) or a RV trailer cargo carrying capacity (CCC) label (Figure 2) to its vehicles that meets the following criteria: S10.4.1   The RV load carrying capacity labels (Figures 1 and 2) must be legible, visible, moisture resistant, presented in the English language, have a minimum print size of 2.4 millimeters ( ³⁄₃₂ inches) high and be printed in black print on a yellow background.
S10.4.2   The weight value for load carrying capacity on the RV load carrying capacity labels (Figures 1 and 2) must be displayed to the nearest kilogram with conversion to the nearest pound and must be such that the vehicle's weight does not exceed its GVWR when loaded with the stated load carrying capacity. The UVW and the GVWR used to determine the RV's load carrying capacity must reflect the weights and design of the motor home or RV trailer as configured for delivery to the dealer/service facility. If applicable, the weight of full propane tanks must be included in the RV's UVW and the weight of on-board potable water must be treated as cargo.
S10.4.3   The RV load carrying capacity labels (Figures 1 and 2) must be: (a) Permanently affixed and must be visibly located on the interior of the forward-most exterior passenger door on the right side of the vehicle; or (b) If a permanent RV load carrying capacity label (Figure 1 or 2) is affixed in the location specified at S5.3(b), a temporary version of the RV load carrying capacity label (Figure 1 or 2) may be visibly located on the interior of the forward-most exterior passenger door on the right side of the vehicle.
Ford is not involved with the OCCC label. It is the responsibility of the RV manufacturer.
One issue with this standard is the interpretation of the last part of Section 10.4.2: "........must reflect the weights and design of the motor home or RV trailer as configured for delivery to the dealer/service facility. If applicable, the weight of full propane tanks must be included in the RV's UVW and the weight of on-board potable water must be treated as cargo." I believe that RVIA clarifies it a bit by saying that the UVW is with empty propane and water tanks. However, the standard requires a full gasoline tank. My coach rolled out of the factory with a full gasoline tank, full propane tank, and full freshwater tank. The propane was not reflected in the OCC but the water was. Go figure!
 Ford is responsible for putting  "certification labels" on the chassis. They are described in CFR 49,567.4 and state the GVWR, GCWR, axle ratings, tire sizes, etc. These labels can be any color with black print and are placed on the driver (left) side door post. Ford is also required to put a "clean air certification" label on the chassis. This label might be on the firewall under the hood and states that the vehicle conforms to the "Federal Clean Air Standards."  There are actually 2 versions of this label. One version states confirmation with the Federal Clean Air Standards while the second version says the vehicle conforms to the Federal Clean Air Standards and to the CA Clean Air Standards. At the moment these two sets of standards are essentially identical. However, CA has retained their own independent set of standards so that the standards can be changed with no impact on the Federal standards.
 In the fall of 2014 I took delivery of my coach in Elkhart, IN but didn't register it there. (Actually we took delivery in MI so that we did not have to pay IN sales tax; significantly easier than avoiding CA tax on a new Lazy Daze.) We  brought the coach home to CA and applied for CA registration. Then my education on vehicle labels started and I learned a lot more than I really wanted to know. Because my coach had been built and delivered in IN, it only had a Federal Clean Air Standards Certification; not Federal and CA Certifications. I had to get the coach smog tested and jump through a few other hoops. CA DMV inspected my OCCC label for conformance with the Federal standard and I had to get the coach weighed. Eventually I got all the preliminaries completed and we started the registration process. My bill of sale from the coach builder says that the coach is a 2014 model. However, it is built on a 2013 Ford chassis, Having a different chassis and coach model year is fairly common. In CA  the model year on the vehicle registration is the year of the chassis as determined by the VIN.
 I don't even like to mention the pain of paying CA "use tax" on the coach. I was aware that this would happen. What I did not know was that the CA use tax is based on the gross sell price of the coach less license fees. I had a trade-in coach so I really paid tax on the trade-in allowance. I expected that I would only have to pay the taxes on the net purchase price of the coach.  I had purchased the trade-in coach in CA and had already paid sales tax on it once. The use tax rate is the same as the sales tax rate in the area where you live; state tax plus any county, city, or special district taxes there might be. I just felt lucky that I live in an area that is subject only to the base CA sales taxes.
 Obviously many of these things apply only to CA residents. However, some other states have similar conditions for "importing" an out-of-state vehicle. I guess that issues like this are part of the "sunshine tax" that you must pay to live in CA.

Doug Baker

Re: O.C.C.C. and Related Things

Reply #2 – January 31, 2015, 05:04:14 pm

Yahoo Message Number: 150698

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The "passenger side" in a travel trailer or fifth wheel would be the same side the passenger sits in the tow vehicle when the two are hooked up.  Otherwise known as the "curb side."
 Of course, O.C.C.C. doesn't apply to a trailer since (hopefully!) there are no passengers riding in it when it is being towed...there's only a C.C.C.

Linda Hylton

Same way with travel trailers... What is the Passenger side?