Re: Morro Bay - Toad Fire Reply #25 – March 19, 2013, 11:24:17 am Yahoo Message Number: 137528"And my 11 CRV already has tpms inside each valve stem." Wonder if there is a way to monitor yuour CRV's TPMS sensors, along with the RV's tires, with an aftermarket tire pressure monitoring system?Larry
Re: Morro Bay - Toad Fire Reply #26 – March 19, 2013, 11:48:37 am Yahoo Message Number: 137531"A problem I see with internal sensors is the airing of the rear tires. Extended stems can not be used..." They lost me as a customer right there. There's no way I'd give up my Tireman long valve stems. And I agree that if you're going to do this, it would be silly not to monitor all ten tires--motorhome and toad. By the way, all passenger cars sold in the US from 2009 onward are required by law to have TPMS systems built in. However, these systems are implemented in various ways--generally in the cheapest way possible, the auto industry being what it is. My Honda Fit has a TPMS, but it only tells me that a tire is low--it doesn't say which one! I've read that some of these mandatory built-in TPMSs even use indirect means, such as counting wheel revolutions. If a tire loses air, its diameter will shrink, and hence the number of revolutions per mile will increase. Klugy? Yes, but cheap to implement. Even those that use RF transmitters have receivers mounted within inches of the wheels, so the range is minimal. I suspect that the chances of being able to intercept those signals and use them with an aftermarket system are just about zilch.Andy Baird http://www.andybaird.com/travels/
Re: Morro Bay - Toad Fire Reply #27 – March 19, 2013, 12:11:58 pm Yahoo Message Number: 137532The car is already counting the RPM of each wheel for the ABS and if you have a sp
Re: Morro Bay - Toad Fire Reply #28 – March 19, 2013, 05:50:16 pm Yahoo Message Number: 137543Why can't specialty tire stems be used if you have internal sensors? We have Pressure Pros, not the kind that go inside the tire, but I don't understand what one has to do with another.Linda Hylton http://earl-linda.blogspot.com
Re: Morro Bay - Toad Fire Reply #29 – March 19, 2013, 10:40:51 pm Yahoo Message Number: 137551I was responding to a person who I thought wanted a system for only his toad, thus the suggestion for the 4 tire system. While that's better than nothing, I've always advocated for sensors on every wheel. That's what I've had for over 5 years now on my motorhome and trailer. If the tire is replaced in the same position on the wheel it was removed from, rebalancing might not be needed. An ounce weight would just be placed opposite the valve stem, just as it's done when you use a stem mounted sensor. I don't know if the tire shops would put the tire back in the same location, but it be worth asking. The last time I had tire removed/replaced at Les Schwab, it was $10, but that was 2 or 3 years ago. But even it it's $20 wheel, it's money well spent. I thought the 8 tire system I bought was expensive at first, but after a few months of peace of mind and convenience, I knew it was a great value! Airing the rear tires with standard stems is what I do. The inner wheel is very easy, using a standard dual wheel chuck that looks like the end of this tire gauge, like this one (it's the tire gauge I use): : http://www.amazon.com/Extra-Black-Digital-Gauge-Truck/dp/B0058D6D9G/ref=sr_1_11?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1363746627&sr=1-11&keywords=digital+tire+gaugeThe outer tire requires a short adapter to be screwed onto the stem, then the same chuck can be used. Easy peasy.Practically speaking, you won't be putting any air in the tires or putting a gauge on them all season. You'll read the pressure from the comfort of the drivers seat in 15 seconds, and you'll discover the tires can hold their pressure for 8+ months when you aren't poking a tire gauge at them every day.Eric Greenwell As an Amazon Associate Lazy Daze Owners' Group earns from qualifying purchases.
Re: Morro Bay - Toad Fire Reply #30 – March 20, 2013, 12:17:17 am Yahoo Message Number: 137552"I was responding to a person who I thought wanted a system for only his toad, thus the suggestion for the 4 tire system. While that's better than nothing, I've always advocated for sensors on every wheel. That's what I've had for over 5 years now on my motorhome and trailer."Eric The jest of my previous posting that there isn't a cheap brand name TPMS. For those of us with toads, it's $500-800 expense, possibly more depending on installation cost. You do raise a good point on not losing air due to frequent checking. Our Michelin LTX M/Ss lose very little air, even with checking. As long as the sensor give an accurate reading, within 2-3 pounds, that would be fine with me. I could do without daily checking. Lots of things to consider. I was wondering how many users of the external sensors have suffered from thief? Is this a bigger worry than necessary?Larry
Re: Morro Bay - Toad Fire Reply #31 – March 20, 2013, 01:21:56 am Yahoo Message Number: 137553I put things in "motorhome perspective" when it comes to cost: How does it compare to a fillup? I have the 55 gallon tank, so running to "Empty" on the gauge means 50 gallons; at today's average price of $3.80, that's $190! Four fillups, only 2000 miles in my SOB, and I've spent the cost of sensors on 8 tires. Those sensor would last for 5 years, giving me safety, peace of mind, and convenience all that time, way longer than that 200 gallons lasted, and I'd still have the monitor ;-)Works for me.Eric Greenwell
Re: Morro Bay - now TPMS Reply #32 – March 20, 2013, 10:08:46 am Yahoo Message Number: 137560Quote " The ones that mount on the valve stems will, I'm told, still report an increase in temperature if the brakes overheat, but not nearly the same amount of temperature increase, nor as quickly."Eric I see Pressure Pro sensors will report excessively high pressure (something like 24 PSI over the set pressure) as well as temperature. Before a tire get hot enough to pop, I would imagine the pressure goes up much than 24 psi. Yes, a TPMS system is a valuable system to have and can save thousands of dollars of damage...it's just that high admission price that stops most of us. It is looking much more reasonable after this weekends burning. My insurance deductible is $1000, more than the cost of the monitor kit. Question for those who use an external, stem-mount sensor...do you still need to check the pressures daily, using a gauge to make sure the sensors indicated pressure is correct or is this unnecessary ? It would be nice to eliminate one more chore.Hey Joan, tell my wife we need one of these. Larry Larry, We have used the Doran RV 360 TPMS for the past several years. My experience with the occasional lost sensor mimics what Ed described. Also, it does not have user replaceable batteries and does not measure temp. The cost to replace a sensor is $30 and over time we have replaced them all. So I could have bought a new system for that. What I do like is that we can plug it in before we leave and get an accurate measurement on pressure. I almost switched to the Tire Traker because it has user replaceable batts and temp sensor. However, according to the owner's manual the sensors go to sleep when stopped for a period of time to save the batts and restart after the tires start turning again and I understand that this takes a few miles of movement. This would suggest that you won't know if the pressure is good when you leave after a stop. I spoke with the folks at Lawrence RV and they indicated that if it was turned on 20 minutes or more before you leave it should register the accurate temp. If that is correct, I would like that system. I bought the Doran system from Lawrence and I like the couple that own the business. They are full time RV'ers and provide good customer service. I think that they offer a slightly longer warranty than some others who sell the TT. Doran's customer service was not very good and I wouldn't buy from them again regardless of the system. The info that I have given is a bit more than a year old so I don't know if anything has changed with the TT. I will say that the Doran system has found some leaks for me and I am happy having a TPMS. One word of warning to anyone considering any model. Our rig had extended metal valves on the inside rear tires but did not have any external stabilizer. So, we ultimately developed leaks in both inside rear tires at the base of the valve that was caused by the added weight of the sensor. I ordered a set of Borg valves and had them installed with stabilizers and have not had a problem since.Jim C
Re: Tire Monitors, was Morro Bay - Toad Fire Reply #33 – March 20, 2013, 10:09:07 am Yahoo Message Number: 137561In the 6+ years we've had our Pressure Pros, we've never had any of them stolen.Linda Hylton http://earl-linda.blogspot.com
Re: Morro Bay - Toad Fire Reply #34 – March 20, 2013, 10:32:22 am Yahoo Message Number: 137562QuoteI was wondering how many users of the external sensors have suffered from thief? Is this a bigger worry than necessary?Larry In 4+ years of full timing, camping in National, State, local parks and boondocking and rarely RV parks, we haven't had a problem and we did not install the lock rings.Jim C
Re: Tire Monitors, was Morro Bay - Toad Fire Reply #35 – March 20, 2013, 10:46:56 am Yahoo Message Number: 137563Ditto, for my SOB and the Camry. I used to worry about it, and I've decided the kind of people that would be interested and willing to go to the effort and cost (you still need to buy a monitor) of installing them aren't the type that would steal them.Eric Greenwell
Re: Tire Monitors, was Morro Bay - Toad Fire Reply #36 – March 20, 2013, 11:13:07 pm Yahoo Message Number: 137567Quote from: Linda & Earl Hylton"
Re: Things stolen... Reply #37 – March 20, 2013, 11:16:10 pm Yahoo Message Number: 137568Quote In the 6+ years we've had our Pressure Pros, we've never had any of them stolen. In the 11 or so years I've read this forum I can only recall one post about something being stolen and that was Andy's generator he won from somewhere - CW maybe? Probably were others, but I don't remember.Chris
Re: Things stolen... Reply #38 – March 21, 2013, 12:44:13 am Yahoo Message Number: 137571"I can only recall one post about something being stolen and that was Andy's generator he won from somewhere - CW maybe?" I won a Honda EU2000i (and some other stuff) from Camping World many years ago, but sold it unused when I realized that it was just too bulky to carry around in a 22-footer. Later I bought an EU1000i, but that was stolen at Quartzsite less than six hours later, while chained to my rig. Other than that, the only thefts I can remember hearing about were of lawn chairs. Oh, and a couple who stopped overnight in a Walmart parking lot, and awoke the next morning to find their Honda CR-V toad gone. Yup, that was a major theft. But generally speaking, serious thefts are rare in most campgrounds, at least in the state parks I frequent. Quartzsite and the Slabs are more dicey, because they're pretty much "Wild West"--there's no effective law enforcement to speak of in either place, and there are some down-and-outers staying in both places, because it's all they can afford. But I don't get the impression that thefts are common even there.Andy Baird http://www.andybaird.com/travels/
Re: Things stolen... Reply #39 – March 21, 2013, 07:45:12 am Yahoo Message Number: 137576Fifteen years on the road with no theft problem, but this winter our Roadmaster tow bar was taken from our campsite
Re: Things stolen... Reply #40 – March 21, 2013, 08:23:11 am Yahoo Message Number: 137578Andy, You mentioned Quartzite and "slabs" are more dicey. What are slabs?
Re: Things stolen... Reply #41 – March 21, 2013, 09:34:09 am Yahoo Message Number: 137579louise wrote: What are slabs? --- This link offers a basic description of "The Slabs" (aka "Slab City") located in Niland, CA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slab_CityA search, using "The Slabs" and/or "Slab City" as keywords, will bring up *many* additional references, articles, posts, and photos.Joan
Re: Things stolen... Reply #42 – March 21, 2013, 09:51:39 am Yahoo Message Number: 137581I don't know about the Slabs but in the three, month-long campouts in three years at Quartzsite we have had, there have been no thefts. Some of us have had a lot of stuff outside.Roger and Elizabeth Nickey Bootsthekitty '02MB "Playpen" Visit the Quartzsite Board: http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/LazyDazeQuartzsite/ Visit Roger's Ramblings and RV Recipes http://rogersramblings41.blogspot.com/
Re: Things stolen... Reply #43 – March 21, 2013, 10:40:23 am Yahoo Message Number: 137584Quote"...but we didn't imagine it of value to anyone else." Junestan In this economy just the value in scrap metal would be enough of an inducement to theft even if the perp did not mean to use it for it's intended purpose. If I came upon an 'abandoned' tow bar I'd sure be curious as to why folks would walk away and leave such a valuable item behind. A lawn chair would have been a better choice. My tow bar and brackets remain with my vehicles at all times, hitched or not.Steve S. Lazy Bones & Jiggs
Re: Things stolen... Reply #44 – March 21, 2013, 10:43:22 am Yahoo Message Number: 137585Motorhoming since 1978, both fulltime, and longtime. Stolen items ZERO, forgotten items who knows. We used to buy a doormat about every week ! We also went from a 2k Honda to a 1k but have managed to keep ours ;
Re: Things stolen... Reply #45 – March 21, 2013, 01:21:15 pm Yahoo Message Number: 137596In the Black Hills a couple years ago, we left one of our wheel ramps and the "occupied" sign while we rambled. There was lots of boisterous play going on around the cg and when we came back, our wooden painted-to-match-Truck ramp was gone.The quiet neighbor was just packing up so I asked whether he'd seen one of the youngsters capture my stuff. He sheepishly gave them back.JohnQuote In the 11 or so years I've read this forum I can only recall one post about something being stolen and that was Andy's generator he won from somewhere - CW maybe? Probably were others, but I don't remember.Chris
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