RV bedding issue January 08, 2013, 10:51:38 pm Yahoo Message Number: 136075We love our 23.5TK except for one thing...tearing down and making the bed. We use the rear bed and on our trips we take along our king sized memory foam, sheets and down comforter. When done they are stored in the overhead. This is getting to be a hassle tucking in the sheets and folding up the foam, etc...every day. Our current memory foam is a bit heavy to wield around and the sheets are a hassle. I noticed there once was a company named "Travasak" that looked simple but I can't see where they are still in business...are they? My thought is a thinner memory foam coupled with an easy roll up bed roll like a Travasak (king size because I am tall). Any ideas? thanks
Re: RV bedding issue Reply #1 – January 09, 2013, 12:01:51 am Yahoo Message Number: 136078We have a 1998 LD MB (26.5 ft) and have used the rear room (like the TK) for sleeping as full timers the past five years. We use a lightweight form mattress, sheets and down comforter as well. We have worked out a process that works for us.1) My wife makes up the bed in the evening by pulling out one side making a cozy double bed. 2) I tear down the bed in the morning and store everything above in the overhead. 3) We have reframed our whole experience in the LD as being in a small Japanese Inn or Minshiku (which we use when we travel to Japan). In Japan, we have one room that serves as a living space during the day and store a Japanese futon mattress in the closet. In the evening there, we open the closet and place the futon on the Tatami mat for sleeping making the room a bedroom at night. That's one of the reasons I love the Lazy Daze MidBath with its rear room and wrap around windows (like the TK). The mulituse room gives us a number of possible uses as compared to a room with a fixed bed.Since it only takes us about five minutes each to make up the bed or take it down, the Japanese metaphor helps us keep the dream going. Living in Japan is very much a compromise since the rooms are tiny and usually multipurpose. The same holds true for the LD. It works for us.David (Eugene, OR)__ From: SHRED ted_e_boy@...> To: lifewithalazydazerv@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 8:51 PM Subject: [LD] RV bedding issueWe love our 23.5TK except for one thing...tearing down and making the bed. We use the rear bed and on our trips we take along our king sized memory foam, sheets and down comforter. When done they are stored in the overhead. This is getting to be a hassle tucking in the sheets and folding up the foam, etc...every day. Our current memory foam is a bit heavy to wield around and the sheets are a hassle. I noticed there once was a company named "Travasak" that looked simple but I can't see where they are still in business...are they? My thought is a thinner memory foam coupled with an easy roll up bed roll like a Travasak (king size because I am tall). Any ideas? thanks[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RV bedding issue Reply #2 – January 09, 2013, 09:09:22 am Yahoo Message Number: 136083We love our 23.5TK except for one thing...tearing down and making the bed. My thought is a thinner memory foam coupled with an easy roll up bed roll like a Travasak (king size because I am tall). Any ideas?We come from a camping background, so we just use our sleeping bags. I've considered bring along one of our pads as well, but the built-in pull out couch & overhead pads are already very comfortable. We keep the bags folded up and stowed under the dinette bench seats. It takes around 10 seconds to pull them out, and another 30 seconds to fold & store. In fact, I'm such a nice guy, I don't even make my son properly roll & tie-up each bag any more, as was true in the 'good 'ole days'. As for bags, while I have a hand-made (by myself - yes, I can sew) down quilt for backpacking, I knew the city girl needed max comfort. So, years ago, I found some new, old-fashioned cotton flannel Coleman bags like these: http://www.amazon.com/Coleman-Big-Game-Sleeping-Pillow/dp/B000EH4TW4/And, to make sure there wasn't any complaining about sleeping on the ground, I got her one of these: http://www.amazon.com/Therm-A-Rest-017-TDT-24-Thermarest-DreamTime/dp/B002PW8S7SThis baby rolls up into a nice, tight bundle that would be easy to stow if you are tired of wrestling with bulky memory foam pads.Karl 1993 22' MP As an Amazon Associate Lazy Daze Owners' Group earns from qualifying purchases.
Re: RV bedding issue Reply #3 – January 09, 2013, 09:37:12 am Yahoo Message Number: 136084Quote We love our 23.5TK except for one thing...tearing down and making the bed. We use the rear bed and on our trips we take along our king sized memory foam, sheets and down comforter. When done they are stored in the overhead. This is getting to be a hassle tucking in the sheets and folding up the foam, etc...every day. Our current memory foam is a bit heavy to wield around and the sheets are a hassle. I noticed there once was a company named "Travasak" that looked simple but I can't see where they are still in business...are they? My thought is a thinner memory foam coupled with an easy roll up bed roll like a Travasak (king size because I am tall). Any ideas? thanks We also just use sleeping bags. Our family uses the cab-over, dinette, and the 2 rear sleeping positions in our MB, and everyone seems happy with the bags. We got ours from LL Bean (plenty of choices for temperature ratings and free shipping). As noted by another, just roll 'em up and store them in a designated spot and you're done.Bob
Re: RV bedding issue Reply #4 – January 09, 2013, 10:06:13 am Yahoo Message Number: 136085Quote We love our 23.5TK except for one thing...tearing down and making the bed. My thought is a thinner memory foam coupled with an easy roll up bed roll like a Travasak (king size because I am tall). Any ideas?... And, to make sure there wasn't any complaining about sleeping on the ground, I got her one of these: http://www.amazon.com/Therm-A-Rest-017-TDT-24-Thermarest-DreamTime/dp/B002PW8S7SThis baby rolls up into a nice, tight bundle that would be easy to stow if you are tired of wrestling with bulky memory foam pads.Karl 1993 22' MP We have a MidBath. As already mentioned the sleeping arrangements are much like the Twin King's. My wife complained about a sore shoulder one morning. I placed our Thermarest Base Camp mattress under the factory cushion above the plywood on her side. I slept on it once during a solo trip and now there is a Thermarest under each of us. Traveling I place them (unrolled) in the bunk above the cab, but they do role up well if needed. I have left them under the cushion but it makes the seat a little tall. I'm 5'6" and the wife is 5'2", that may not be an issue for you if your taller. I'll have to take a look at the Dream Time. It may be a better solution. My Thermarest mats are 18 years old. I had a valve start leaking after 5 years. The factory fixed it no questions asked. The fitted sheet is place on one cushion, that that cushion is pushed back by the next one, feeding the sheet out as the first cushion is pushed back until all the cushions are in place. It isn't perfect but I sleep well, and more importantly the wife does too. As an Amazon Associate Lazy Daze Owners' Group earns from qualifying purchases.
Re: RV bedding issue Reply #5 – January 09, 2013, 10:23:24 am Yahoo Message Number: 136086The Mothership sells their Kozy Komforter set that is like the Travasak in every way. I love mine, just wish I had flannel inserts. ;-} When I was using the back sofas in my MB, I just rolled it up lengthwise and put it under the back of each sofa. I now use the bed over the cab and I just leave it out. Also, I know folks swear by their memory foam, but I've been using a camping pad that cost me $5 that works magnificently. Its 2-3 inches thick, it rolls up easily, but it being bulky - I use to roll up, cover with a blanket or throw to hide it so my cats could use it. Again, now sleeping in the overhead, I don't have to deal with that bulk.Melinda 2011 27' MB
Re: RV bedding issue Reply #6 – January 09, 2013, 10:35:10 am Yahoo Message Number: 136087It appears there are as many solutions to the "bedding issue" as there are to making coffee and toast! We sleep in the rear of our MB while we're out rambling around (for about 7 months a year) and we've gone through a variety of solutions, but we seem to have settled on the following: Pull the couches together to make the oversize king...I prefer to keep the back bolster upright as I sleep on the driver's side; The Captain prefers to have the back bolster down to extend his side of the mattress. We lay out the official LD sleeping sack on top of the cushions, over that is my home-sewn king sheets sack, over that are one or two king-size polyfill comforters, all depending upon the weather...in FL we usually have only the sheet sack, however last winter in Alpine TX when it was 17 degrees out, we piled everything on! We don't tuck anything in. The king sheets sack was simple to sew and folds up quickly into a relatively small bundle...we fold and roll up (ala bedrolls) the LD sleeping sack and comforters and secure with bungees and everything fits neatly in the cab overhead...we find the LD sleeping sack rolled up fits perfectly in the space between the streetside wall and the end of the mattress and does not move when we're rolling...and it doesn't interfere with that window, either. The other items are pitched forward to the front of the cab over and the edge of the mattress as it's folded over keeps everything from flying around while we're on the roll. Set up and break down each day really takes only about 7-8 minutes and with everything stored away we don't feel cramped or messy.TinaP 2006 MB "Wild Thing" Currently wintering over at home base in Maine...not as thrilling as it sounds[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: RV bedding issue Reply #7 – January 09, 2013, 11:18:07 am Yahoo Message Number: 136089No, Travasak is no longer in business, although you may still be able find them online. There are also similar products, including one offered by Lazy Daze. We used Traveasaks both in our Lazy Daze and in our slide-in truck camper. They did make making the bed easy, but they're a PITA to put the sheet back in after washing! We thought about sleeping bags, but then the entire sleeping bag would have to be washed or dry cleaned, not just a sheet, so we ruled that out. I'm curious to know how people who use sleeping bags clean them.Linda Hylton http://earl-linda.blogspot.com
Re: RV bedding issue Reply #8 – January 09, 2013, 12:10:37 pm Yahoo Message Number: 136091'Our current memory foam is a bit heavy to wield around . . . 'Cut the memory foam mattress into more manageable pieces. Really! The memory foam works well butted up to itself and is inherently 'grippy' so it won't shift around. We use two twin size memory foam pads in our MB, purchased at Costco, and even with their cloth covers they don't shift or open a gap. They are relatively heavy, even being twin size . . . a queen would be a bit much to manage. To cut, first lay out the cut line with a straight edge (string etc) and mark with a felt tip. Then use a sharp knife or serrated knife to cut the foam. And old electric kitchen knife works exceptionally well.bumper Yonder Minden, NV[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: RV bedding issue Reply #9 – January 09, 2013, 01:36:37 pm Yahoo Message Number: 136094"I'm curious to know how people who use sleeping bags clean them."Linda I take them to a laundromat and wash them in a large commercial size machine and them dry them in one of the big dryers. Toss in a clean jogging shoe, or two, to breakup clumping in the insulation. Dry cleaners can can also clean them but be prepared for a substantial bill. I sewed Velcro down the sides of our bottom bag and used it to secure the bottom sheet. The top sheet is attached to the bottom sheet, at the foot of the bag. In addition to Velcro, the sheets and bags have grommets at the foot and head, which are used to hold the whole arrangement in place. The bag is held in place with carabiners, parachute cord, small clips and several eye screws positioned at both ends of the bed. The use of grommets and carabiners allows the adding and removing of extra blankets, under the top bag, as needed. We us much a much heavier top bag and blankets in the winter. Extra blankets can be attached when the bag is up in the bunk. In the summer, on hot nights we roll top the top bag and just use the top sheet and a blanket. We sleep in the overhead bunk and leave the bed set up all the time. The bag does take a bit of work to R&R the sheets, for washing, but one once done, the sheets and bags stay in place, a feat for two active sleepers. It is also very easy to make up in the morning, the last one up pulls the sheets, blankets and top tight and, with a little straightening, it's done and ready for the next night(or nap). Previously, we used two full sheets sewn together as a giant pillow case and was stuffed a 4'X 6'X 2" firm foam pad inside. A third sheet, used as a top sheet, was sewn to the foot of the bottom sheet. A YKK sleeping bag zipper was sewn around the perimeter to attach one unfolded sleeping bag and allowed seasonal changes in the top bag. This bag would roll up and was portable, nice for a variety of sleeping situations. With the addition of two Thermarest inflatable pads, sleeping on hard floors was comfortable.Larry
Re: RV bedding issue Reply #10 – January 09, 2013, 04:43:45 pm Yahoo Message Number: 136097"Larry" wrote: I sewed Velcro down the sides of our bottom bag and used it to secure the bottom sheet. The top sheet is attached to the bottom sheet, at the foot of the bag. In addition to Velcro, the sheets and bags have grommets at the foot and head, which are used to hold the whole arrangement in place. The bag is held in place with carabiners, parachute cord, small clips and several eye screws positioned at both ends of the bed. The use of grommets and carabiners allows the adding and removing of extra blankets, under the top bag, as needed. --- Well, obviously, the next step is to design a battery-powered, preferably remote-controlled "winch" that will grasp each of you carefully in its well-padded claw at bedtime, lift, and snug you into the overcab bunk. When it's time to get up, press the remote's "call button", and the arm gently plucks you from the nest and deposits you on the floor, bypassing the need for that pesky ladder!I *know* you can do this!! ;-)Joan
Re: RV bedding issue Reply #11 – January 09, 2013, 04:48:51 pm Yahoo Message Number: 136098At 09:16 AM 1/9/2013, you wrote:QuoteI'm curious to know how people who use sleeping bags clean them. People who use them regularly get liners that pop out and are washed in the usual way. Once in a blue moon, we have washed our down bags in a large laundromat drum, but normally just wash the liners.Sonsie
Re: RV bedding issue Reply #12 – January 09, 2013, 05:01:56 pm Yahoo Message Number: 136099Are the liners attached in some way? I assume they must be, otherwise, they'd get all wadded up when sleeping! That's the thing I didn't like about the Travasak...the sheets attached to the bag by use of velcro all the way down each side. It was a snap to take out for washing, but a PITA to put back in!Linda Hylton http://earl-linda.blogspot.com
Re: RV bedding issue Reply #13 – January 09, 2013, 05:42:59 pm Yahoo Message Number: 136100"That's the thing I didn't like about the Travasak...the sheets attached to the bag by use of velcro all the way down each side. It was a snap to take out for washing, but a PITA to put back in!"LindaThat's the nature of the beast. You could zipper the sheets in, something I have given serious thought to. I find it much easier to remove the bag from the bunk and change the sheets in roomy area. This usually happens at home or at a laundromat where they normally have large tables that are big enough to spread the bag out on. We prolong the time between linen changes by showering each evening before bed. This allows us to change sheets and do the laundry at the same time, on a two week cycle. "Are the liners attached in some way? I assume they must be, otherwise, they'd get all wadded up when sleeping!" Grommets in the corners of the sheet and bottom sleeping, used with cords and clips to secure the corners to eye-screws. The eye-screws are mounted in corners of the bunk. Once the cords are tight, this keeps the sheets and bag from bunching up.Larry
Re: RV bedding issue Reply #14 – January 09, 2013, 07:18:52 pm Yahoo Message Number: 136102Quote"Larry" wrote: I sewed Velcro down the sides of our bottom bag and used it to secure the bottom sheet. The top sheet is attached to the bottom sheet, at the foot of the bag. In addition to Velcro, the sheets and bags have grommets at the foot and head, which are used to hold the whole arrangement in place. The bag is held in place with carabiners, parachute cord, small clips and several eye screws positioned at both ends of the bed. The use of grommets and carabiners allows the adding and removing of extra blankets, under the top bag, as needed. --- Well, obviously, the next step is to design a battery-powered, preferably remote-controlled "winch" that will grasp each of you carefully in its well-padded claw at bedtime, lift, and snug you into the overcab bunk. When it's time to get up, press the remote's "call button", and the arm gently plucks you from the nest and deposits you on the floor, bypassing the need for that pesky ladder!I *know* you can do this!! ;-)Joan Well, Joan, your Rube Goldberg winch description gave me my laugh of the day!Chris
Re: RV bedding issue Reply #15 – January 09, 2013, 08:31:55 pm Yahoo Message Number: 136103Linda, we bought 2 twin sized flannel sheets and sewed them together at the bottom. Open up the sleeping bag and place the flannel sheets inside and pull the cover back up to its normal position. Voila, sheets in a sleeping bag. You can add ties or Velcro along the sides to help keep them im place, if you wish.Ron & Linda Clark
Re: RV bedding issue Reply #16 – January 09, 2013, 10:06:37 pm Yahoo Message Number: 136104Quote Linda, we bought 2 twin sized flannel sheets and sewed them together at the bottom. Open up the sleeping bag and place the flannel sheets inside and pull the cover back up to its normal position. Voila, sheets in a sleeping bag. You can add ties or Velcro along the sides to help keep them im place, if you wish.Ron & Linda Clark I'm so tired after all this pillow talk. I'm just glad we are roughing it in our permanently-fixed queen bed with 1200 thread count Egyptian sheets covered by an electric blanket, all snugly fitted on a Select Comfort mattress. Nighty-night!Chris H 2002 30'IB Denver, CO
Re: RV bedding issue Reply #17 – January 09, 2013, 10:14:34 pm Yahoo Message Number: 136105I VOTE FOR THIS IDEA , Joan -- with such a beautiful invention, those of us with bad knees could actually consider sleeping in that upper bunk! The darned ladder is the killer. For cleaning the bed itself, we can always reach up and just pull it all down on top of our heads. But then there's the struggle to get the big pile back up there, I wonder if this "winch" would take it up as if it was a body? (Guess I'd better stick with the back bedroom after all... or get new knees.)
Re: RV bedding issue Reply #18 – January 09, 2013, 10:45:10 pm Yahoo Message Number: 136107On Jan 9, 2013, at 9:06 PM, chorst_2000 wrote:Quote I'm so tired after all this pillow talk. I'm just glad we are roughing it in our permanently-fixed queen bed with 1200 thread count Egyptian sheets covered by an electric blanket, all snugly fitted on a Select Comfort mattress. Nighty-night! How funny, Chris. Sounds totally luxurious! Count Bernie and me among those who cruise the country in a MidBath, so we do the make-our-beds-in-the-back-at-bedtime-take-them-down-in-the-morning routine. But it's a simple process that we don't mind at all. And also pretty darn comfortable.To each LDing family, their own. :-)Martha in Santa Fe[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: RV bedding issue Reply #19 – January 10, 2013, 09:56:48 am Yahoo Message Number: 136112"Kristin" wrote: those of us with bad knees could actually consider sleeping in that upper bunk! The darned ladder is the killer. --- Many overcab sleepers find the hard rubber ladder rungs uncomfortable, but some cover the rungs with carpeting or closed cell foam to ease the pain of the up-down trips. I prefer the overcab bed; it's roomy (but not "headroomy"), it can be left made up, and it's dedicated space, i.e., the overcab bed stays made up, and the rear couches (mine is a TK) are left in couch form, allowing "aisle" and overhead cupboard access. Obviously, each has his/her own sleep solutions; the posted variety is a good example of "YMMV"! In my rig, the overcab bed base is covered with a 3" memory foam topper in a mattress cover that I made from a heavy twill fabric; one long side is closed with Velcro. I use "sleep sacks" sewn from cotton fabric; a sack takes 5 yards of 44"-45" wide fabric. The finished sack is a spacious 43"X86" (more or less). The cold weather cover is a down comforter in a duvet cover; warmer weather choices are Polartec or cotton blanket(s). Works for me, but it may not for another, since I sew all the "system parts" except the actual comforter and/or blankets.As ever, YMMV! ;-)Joan
Re: RV bedding issue Reply #20 – January 10, 2013, 11:24:47 am Yahoo Message Number: 136117QuoteI VOTE FOR THIS IDEA , Joan -- with such a beautiful invention, those of us with bad knees could actually consider sleeping in that upper bunk! The darned ladder is the killer. Our '83 had a very nice ladder - wide, padded and carpeted steps on a very sturdy frame made from channel aluminum. Our '04 came with a flimsy tubular frame and round, painful steps with little tread and no padding. Noting the ladder changes over the years, the design has progressively cheapened. Perhaps LD feels only small kids want to use the bunk... Needless to say, we kept our old ladder and apologized to the new owners about the inferior one we left them.Steve
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