Towing a Jeep Rubicon April 18, 2010, 12:54:57 pm Yahoo Message Number: 111954We just bought a new 2010 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon and want to tow it behind our Lazydaze. It has a base curb weight of 4103 pounds plus a little more when you put some bicycles on the back. What are the odds that we can tow this with our 2009 Lazydaze Midbath with its existing hitch? Do you have any thoughts about how to accomplish this. Any thoughts on tow bars, etc. BTW our Lazydaze has insulated holding tanks, in case that matters.
Re: Towing a Jeep Rubicon Reply #1 – April 18, 2010, 01:00:24 pm Yahoo Message Number: 111956This is the third message Jim has sent. Assuming he is posting via email, be aware that the poster does not receive the posting they made via email. Only other do.It caused me concern at one time as to whether my posting via email had actually ade it.best, paul ___ 'Thriving not Surviving' See our websites at www. LazyDazers.com www. Bike70th.net www. SMARTERyellowpages.com & www. ReformUSCongress.org
Re: Towing a Jeep Rubicon Reply #2 – April 18, 2010, 01:09:19 pm Yahoo Message Number: 111957Sorry for the confusion, I was trying to edit the original message and then just deleted it and started over.
Re: Towing a Jeep Rubicon Reply #3 – April 18, 2010, 01:53:24 pm Yahoo Message Number: 111960On Apr 18, 2010, at 10:32 AM, pipercherokee180f wrote:QuoteWe just bought a new 2010 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon and want to tow it behind our Lazydaze. It has a base curb weight of 4103 pounds plus a little more when you gas it up and put some bicycles on the back. What are the odds that we can tow this with our 2009 Lazydaze Midbath with its existing hitch? Do you have any thoughts about how to accomplish this. Any thoughts on tow bars, etc. BTW our Lazydaze has insulated holding tanks, in case that matters. We just went through this process to set up a toad with our 2009 Midbath. We were told that the maximum toad weight was 3,500 lbs. Our new manual drive (stick) Subaru Forester weighs in at 3,200 lbs, and works just fine, with remarkably little loss of gas mileage on the LD. (We tow with as little gas in the toad as possible, so as not to add to that weight.)I wouldn't think you could tow 4,000 plus with a MB.Martha in Santa Fe[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: Towing a Jeep Rubicon Reply #4 – April 18, 2010, 02:03:45 pm Yahoo Message Number: 1119624,000 lbs is exactly the maximum Lazy Daze recommends for a 2010. http://www.lazydaze.com/FEATURES.PDFbest, paul ___ 'Thriving not Surviving' See our websites at www. LazyDazers.com www. Bike70th.net www. SMARTERyellowpages.com & www. ReformUSCongress.org
Re: Towing a Jeep Rubicon Reply #5 – April 18, 2010, 02:14:56 pm Yahoo Message Number: 111964As noted in the stats, the GVWR is 14500 and the GCWR is 20000, so the maximum towing capacity is really 5500 pounds, therefore the limiting factor is the weight carrying capacity of the hitch. I have two questions. Is there enough fudge factor when it comes to the factory hitch to carry a few more pounds? If not, what is the right equipment for doing so?
Re: Towing a Jeep Rubicon Reply #6 – April 18, 2010, 02:44:58 pm Yahoo Message Number: 111965We engineers call it "Margin' not fudge etc. Of course, the hitch will tow more than 4,000 lbs. But if someone does it THEY are responsible - not Lazy Daze - if it fails. I wonder if the vehicle in question really weighs with 1/4 tank of gas, etc?best, paul ___ 'Thriving not Surviving' See our websites at www. LazyDazers.com www. Bike70th.net www. SMARTERyellowpages.com & www. ReformUSCongress.org
Re: Towing a Jeep Rubicon Reply #7 – April 18, 2010, 03:02:17 pm Yahoo Message Number: 111966The base curb weight includes full fluids, however there may be some options like floor mats to add.
Re: Towing a Jeep Rubicon Reply #8 – April 18, 2010, 03:07:13 pm Yahoo Message Number: 111967"pipercherokee180f" wrote: As noted in the stats, the GVWR is 14500 and the GCWR is 20000, so the maximum towing capacity is really 5500 pounds, therefore the limiting factor is the weight carrying capacity of the hitch. I have two questions. Is there enough fudge factor when it comes to the factory hitch to carry a few more pounds? If not, what is the right equipment for doing so? --- I don't tow, but I know that there has been *a lot* of past discussion on hitch capacity and related topics, e.g., braking systems, tow connectors, etc.; you might want to click on the "searchable archives" link on the home page of the message board and search for past posts on this topic. Try using "receiver hitch tow weight" as a search phrase to begin with, then vary the wording; you should bring up plenty of information about upgrades/reinforcements/changes that owners have made to the stock LD hitch set-up in order to safely tow a vehicle. One comment that you will find made several times is to be sure to weigh the toad gassed up and loaded with all the stuff you plan to haul in it.Joan
Re: Towing a Jeep Rubicon Reply #9 – April 18, 2010, 04:03:13 pm Yahoo Message Number: 111971Piper, I think you're going to find that your Wrangler weighs considerably more than 4100 pounds. That number doesn't include options. If you have a hardtop that will add a lot right there. Other options do the same, then cargo. The two bicycles you mention, plus a rack, will probably total over 100 lbs. Also, I wouldn't count on carrying less than a full tank of fuel to reduce the weight. There will be times when you hook up with a full tank whether you want to or not, and times you will want a full tank at your destination. When we bought our 2003 Wrangler Sport I checked the specs and saw a curb weight of about 3250 lbs. Then I weighed it and it was about 3700 lbs ready to drive. The 6 cylinder engine and hardtop (both options) were not included
Re: Towing a Jeep Rubicon Reply #10 – April 18, 2010, 05:29:59 pm Yahoo Message Number: 111972"Assuming he is posting via email, be aware that the poster does not receive the posting they made via email. Only other do." Dunno about that, Paul. When I post via email to a Yahoo group that I subscribe to via email, I always get a copy of my post a few minutes later.Andy Baird http://www.andybaird.com/travels/
Re: Towing a Jeep Rubicon Reply #11 – April 18, 2010, 05:36:42 pm Yahoo Message Number: 111973Terry's advice is excellent from start to finish. You're going to be well over the Lazy Daze's hitch rating, so a beefed-up hitch is going to be required. A tip to others who may be car shopping: if you're planning to buy a car and you have towing in mind, it's a good idea to learn what you can tow *before* you make the purchase.Andy Baird http://www.andybaird.com/travels/
Re: Towing a Jeep Rubicon Reply #12 – April 18, 2010, 05:37:08 pm Yahoo Message Number: 111974Quote"Assuming he is posting via email, be aware that the poster does not receive the posting they made via email. Only other do." Dunno about that, Paul. When I post via email to a Yahoo group that I subscribe to via email, I always get a copy of my post a few minutes later. It depends on the email service you're using. When I have my Yahoo messages sent to my Escapees email address, I always get a copy back in OE (or now, with Windows 7, Windows Live). However, when I have them sent to my GMail address, I don't get a copy back.Linda Hylton http://earl-linda.blogspot.com/
Re: Towing a Jeep Rubicon Reply #13 – April 18, 2010, 06:34:55 pm Yahoo Message Number: 111976Andy, I did know that I could tow it before I made the purchase! Since it was on the borderline for the factory hitch I just thought I would ask the question in case someone in the group had tried towing a vehicle that is over the 4000 pound limit for the hitch. The limit with an upgraded hitch is 5500. In Borrego Springs I see Rubicons hitched to Class C's with the same truck chassis all over the place so I know it can be done. If someone in the group has already done it then their advice would be helpful. If you want to go offroad you would rather have a Rubicon even if you can't tow it.
Re: Towing a Jeep Rubicon Reply #14 – April 18, 2010, 06:46:01 pm Yahoo Message Number: 111977On Apr 18, 2010, at 4:36 PM, Andy wrote:QuoteTerry's advice is excellent from start to finish. You're going to be well over the Lazy Daze's hitch rating, so a beefed-up hitch is going to be required. A tip to others who may be car shopping: if you're planning to buy a car and you have towing in mind, it's a good idea to learn what you can tow *before* you make the purchase.Andy Baird http://www.andybaird.com/travels/ I fully agree with Terry and Andy. And Piper has already made up his mind that it's not too heavy to tow. This has nada to do with tow weight, but I will throw this out for those who have not bought a toad yet. I don't care what kind of shields you use, you are going to get dings on the toad. If we had it to do again, we would not have bought a new vechile to ding up. If we buy another toad, it will be an older, already depreciated, probably pre-dinged, Jeep CJ. I would then get a decal that says "I would rather ding it, than wax it".Oh and get a white one, they match all LD's.Cheers, Don
Re: Towing a Jeep Rubicon Reply #15 – April 18, 2010, 09:09:39 pm Yahoo Message Number: 111980I've posted to the group more than just a few times. I have yet to receive a copy of my messages. Maybe we're doing something wrong.Barry "O"Ruby Red - 06MB[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: Towing a Jeep Rubicon Reply #16 – April 18, 2010, 10:02:04 pm Yahoo Message Number: 111982Of course, this time I received the copy of my message to all, enough said.Barry "O"Ruby Red - 06MB
Re: Towing a Jeep Rubicon Reply #17 – April 18, 2010, 10:10:49 pm Yahoo Message Number: 111983"I see Rubicons hitched to Class C's with the same truck chassis all over the place so I know it can be done."Many things can be done. Not all of them can be done safely.Andy Baird http://www.andybaird.com/travels/
Re: Towing a Jeep Rubicon Reply #18 – April 18, 2010, 10:59:19 pm Yahoo Message Number: 111985Piper,Rubicons are cool, no doubt about it.But when I was stationed
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