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Re: Recommendations near Kennedy Space Center?
Reply #25 –
Yahoo Message Number: 110709
Quote from: David Walker"
Given that they're both two feisty and aggressive little girls, I plan on keeping a bark collar on each one when they're alone in there. These girls are a real hand-full... they had been breeding mamas in a puppy mill before I got them through a Rescue organization. Hence the aggression... which we're working on, and it's sloooly improving. Been almost a year now. They're as cute as can be, and people just assume they are sweet little darlings... until they lunge at them with a blood-curdleing growl. So good management... and restraint... is a necessity. But we love them. Unfortunately with dogs (as any owner knows) "Love is *not* all you need." Consistency and patience (along with the love) is all I can give them.
====================================== David - I'd be interested in knowing the breed of these "little darlings" and which rescue organization you obtained them from.

Anne Johnson

Lovely La Verne, CA
Re: Recommendations near Kennedy Space Center?
Reply #26 –
Yahoo Message Number: 110714
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David - I'd be interested in knowing the breed of these "little darlings" and which rescue organization you obtained them from.
Ramona (gold and white) and Micala (black and white) are both Shih Tzus. If I could post a pic here, I would... they're really cute. They came from Lhasa Happy Homes in Brentwood. The story was that the city of Carson removed them from the puppy mill, LHH had them in a foster home for awhile, and they were shown to me when I expressed an interest in getting two girl-dogs (I just can't bring myself to using the b-word when referring to them). Ramona is "fear aggressive," and Micala is "dominant aggressive." They had been in the puppy mill together, so, while they're not sisters, they had definitely bonded. They play and romp around the house... but go bananas on the walk when encountering another dog. They're too much trouble to be accepted into a normal training program, but I did work them with a "behaviorist" from Hermosa Beach for several weeks (and mucho bucks!). Some improvement. Time and consistency seem to be helping, but I have been warned not to expect miracles... at this point the aggressive tendencies are pretty much who they are. I know... Cesar seems to work miracles. But in the "real" world...
 Anyway, now I have their 3-in-1 restraint harnesses, and their RV soft crates are on order, so they will definitely be ready for their close up, Mr. DeMille, by the time we take delivery of TigerDragon in a couple of weeks.

David Long Beach

David Long Beach
Re: Recommendations near Kennedy Space Center?
Reply #27 –
Yahoo Message Number: 110720
Time and consistency seem to be helping, but I have been warned not to expect miracles... at this point the aggressive tendencies are pretty much who they are. I know... Cesar seems to work miracles. But in the "real" world...


 In the "real" world, Cesar's methods work...you just have to know how to implement them.
 I do not believe for a minute that aggressive tendencies are pretty much who a dog is...but if YOU do, then there is probably little hope of getting them to a balanced state.  If you ever hope to bring your dogs to a balanced state where they are not aggressive toward other dogs, you will have to change your mind-set.
 Heck, even the trainers at Dog Town, although they use an entirely different method than Cesar's, have worked and trained aggressive dogs so that they are no longer aggressive...they had a whole program on the dogs rescued from Vick's dog fighting kennel.  The key, I think, is that they believe in the dogs and know that they (the dogs) don't want to be the way they are...they just have to be shown another way.

Linda Hylton http://map.datastormusers.com/user1.cfm?user=1167 http://earl-linda.blogspot.com
Linda Hylton
Re: Recommendations near Kennedy Space Center?
Reply #28 –
Yahoo Message Number: 110727
I have a great dog that is ONLY agressive towards the mail person. I almost lost him to the authorities because of it. I now keep him inside. How can he be trained to not show aggression towards the postman? How can I learn methods to teach him to change?

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Re: Recommendations near Kennedy Space Center?
Reply #29 –
Yahoo Message Number: 110731
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"I have a great dog that is ONLY agressive towards the mail person." >
Oh for Pete's sake, on a thread supposed to be about the Kennedy Space Center we are now talking about aggressive dogs.
 I thought this was a Lazy Daze related forum, how far off topic are we going with this???

Steve S.
Lazy Bones & Jiggs
Steve S.
Lazy Bones & Cedar
2004 30'IB (Island Bed)
Yesterday is History, Tomorrow is a Mystery
Live for the day!
Re: Recommendations near Kennedy Space Center?
Reply #30 –
Yahoo Message Number: 110732
"on a thread supposed to be about the Kennedy Space Center we are now talking about aggressive dogs."
 Well, people do travel with dogs... just as people travel with iPhones. ;-) And personally, if I'm parked next to somebody with a dog, I'd like them to have a good handle on how to control its behavior, so this discussion benefits even non-dog-owners like me.
 Andy Baird http://www.andybaird.com/travels/
Andy Baird
2021 Ford Ranger towing 2019 Airstream 19CB
Previously: 1985 LD Twin/King "Gertie"; 2003 LD Midbath "Skylark"
Pets
Reply #31 –
Yahoo Message Number: 110734
We do not have a dog or any other pet.
We like all animals.
We would not consider traveling with a animal, as it would cramp our style.
As always, YMMV.
 After watching Dog Whisper for over a year, we are 100% convinced that dogs are not the problem.
It's the clueless owners that cause dogs to exhibit undesired behavior.
 If you find yourself the object of what you think is aggression, stand tall and own your space. Turn aside, ignore the dog, no eye contact.
Showing fear may escalate the encounter.

Cheers, Don
Don & Dorothy
Sold our LD in June of 2023

Our boring always non-PC travel blog
Traveling Dorothy
Re: Recommendations near Kennedy Space Center?
Reply #32 –
Yahoo Message Number: 110736
No Andy, I believe Steve is correct. I will my problem in a more appropriate arena. Sorry.
Dale from Downey.

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Re: Pets
Reply #33 –
Yahoo Message Number: 110737
Believe me, this will be my last comment on this subject. To keep it "On Topic," I raised my concerns because of how this all relates to RV travel with dogs.
 I own all the Cesar Milan tapes and books and have studied them exhaustively. I've spent over $3,000 with a professional "Animal Behaviorist" on these two girls. Both the behaviorist and my vet have told me I'm doing exactly the right things with them but that it's not always possible to completely solve these problems, and that I'd better accept that fact. Even Cesar acknowledges that there are cases beyond even *his* skills.
 Now, to my utter amazement, we appear to have experts on animal behavior here in this forum that are better informed than certified behaviorists of The International Association of Canine Professionals and the best vets in Southern California and the owners of Animal Rescue Shelters. Gosh! If only I had know that, I could have saved myself a lot of money and training exercises. What works for Cesar on camera does *not* always work in, yes, "The Real World," and numerous animal professionals have told me this... not to have unrealistic expectations just because a highly-paid TV showman makes it all look easy. It isn't! And, yes, I definitely *do* know that often the problem is the owner rather than the dog. And I'm sure that's the case with someone who doesn't know how to raise dogs from youth to adulthood. I love dogs and have had good dogs all my life. In this case, these two dogs suffered God-knows-what kind of treatment when they were breeders in a puppy mill. Their behavior problems are *not* the result of my ignorance. It's what I received when I agreed to adopt them, and its what I'm dealing with. And I must say I don't appreciate the arrogance of being talked down to as if I didn't know what the heck I'm doing.

End of discussion on my part.
Re: Pets
Reply #34 –
Yahoo Message Number: 110738
Nicely said, David, and thank you for rescuing your dogs. Some people do not realize the behavioral problems that rescued dogs can exhibit despite the rescuer's best efforts. Simplistic answers to complex behavioral problems are rarely helpful.
 My only problem with the aggressive dog posts were that they were on a thread supposed to be about the Kennedy Space Center. If they had been
2007 MB
Re: Recommendations near Kennedy Space Center?
Reply #35 –
Yahoo Message Number: 110745
Well, Andy, I almost posted something about the iPhone thread that went on and on.  Almost as bad as the annual coffee thread.  Ted

"on a thread supposed to be about the Kennedy Space Center we are now talking about aggressive dogs."
 Well, people do travel with dogs... just as people travel with iPhones. ;-) Andy Baird

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Re: Recommendations near Kennedy Space Center?
Reply #36 –
Yahoo Message Number: 110749
On Mar 4, 2010, at 6:23 AM, Ted H wrote:

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Well, Andy, I almost posted something about the iPhone thread that went on and on.  Almost as bad as the annual coffee thread.  Ted
"Coffee thread"?  Oh goody!  It's already March, and we haven't done that yet?  Let's do the "coffee thread"!!!  Ready?  Set?  ........!

Lorna (ducking!!)
 http://uppity-woman.blogspot.com/
2003 RB
Re: Pets
Reply #37 –
Yahoo Message Number: 110751
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We do not have a dog or any other pet.
We like all animals.
We would not consider traveling with a animal, as it would cramp our style.
As always, YMMV.
Not sure what 'your style' is, Don, but consider that there is a huge difference 'tween cats and dogs. When camping with our cats, they do their own thing - which 90% of the time seems to be sleeping. We can leave them locked inside by them selves for a day or so - as long as there is food, water, and airflow - and they do just fine. Only issue is we share the shower with them - converting from cat-room to shower is pretty quick, but the reverse takes somewhat more time. Crowded at night in the bunk, but it's that way at home too.
 Bottom line - we have made only minute 'style' adjustments bringing them with, but we don't have to miss them at all any more. Now if only we could say the same about our non-RV travel...

Steve
2004 FL
2013 Honda Fit
Re: Pets
Reply #38 –
Yahoo Message Number: 110752
Steve, we had the same issue with our cats and the shower, and I fixed that. Don't know what floor plan you have. We have an RK, with a big, spacious storage bin on the outside, rear driver's side. I cut an opening under the kitchen drawers into that bin, put a cat door in it. The bin holds the litter box and is tall enough for the cats, and I have a removable board separating the kitty portion of the bin with the storage part I use for gloves, sprayer, and other dumping supplies. Now, we have the shower for ourselves!

Lee
 Only issue is we share the shower with them - converting from cat-room to shower is pretty quick, but the reverse takes somewhat more time. Crowded at night in the bunk, but it's that way at home too.
2000 TK
2014 Can-Am Spyder RT
Re: Pets
Reply #39 –
Yahoo Message Number: 110754
"Only issue is we share the shower with them..."
 As mentioned before, I've found that a covered litter pan fits perfectly between the cab seats, where it occupies space that would otherwise be unused when I'm parked--in other words, I don't have to sacrifice my shower or storage bin space to it. :-)
 When driving, I pick it up by the handle and move it temporarily to the space just behind the driver's seat (below the fridge in my midbath), so I can have ready access to the cab. When I park, I move it back. Takes literally two seconds each way. For convenience and efficient use of space I've never seen a better system than this.

Andy Baird http://www.andybaird.com/travels/
Andy Baird
2021 Ford Ranger towing 2019 Airstream 19CB
Previously: 1985 LD Twin/King "Gertie"; 2003 LD Midbath "Skylark"
Re: Pets
Reply #40 –
Yahoo Message Number: 110755
On Mar 4, 2010, at 4:37 PM, Andy wrote:

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"Only issue is we share the shower with them..."

As mentioned before, I've found that a covered litter pan fits perfectly between the cab seats, where it occupies space that would otherwise be unused when I'm parked--in other words, I don't have to sacrifice my shower or storage bin space to it. :-)

When driving, I pick it up by the handle and move it temporarily to the space just behind the driver's seat (below the fridge in my midbath), so I can have ready access to the cab. When I park, I move it back. Takes literally two seconds each way. For convenience and efficient use of space I've never seen a better system than this.
We also travel with our kitty (almost 19 years old), and have figured out our own solution to the litter box issue. This might not work for everybody, but to me it beats having to swap a litter box for a shower or give up storage space.
 Right after we picked up our MB, I bought a top-entry litter box made by Clever Cat, hoping she would learn to use it. She quickly did... even though she had never used this kind of box before. You *can* teach an old cat new tricks!

We keep the box right behind the driver's seat, in front of the drawer/cabinet beneath the fridge, right opposite our dinette. Yes, there are "perfect timing" moments when Sugar does her thing in the litter just as we're eating, but we change the litter every few days and keep it clean, so there's no odor most of the time. It never has to be moved unless I need to get into the drawer/cabinet, and even then I just slide it over a few inches.

The advantage of the top entry is that the rest of the box is one solid piece. The top lifts off for cleaning, but frankly to scoop out solids, I don't even have to remove the top. The hole is big enough to scoop through.

Except for the tiny bit of litter that sticks to Sugar's paws when she exits (a plus is that the top is textured to help knock some of it off), there's no mess on the floor... and this from a cat who really likes to toss it around. She still digs and tosses to her heart's content, but almost everything stays inside the box. We don't go through as much litter with this box as at home, because less of it is tossed out.
 Here's a link:http://www.clevercatinnovations.com/ top_entry_litterbox_order.aspx

Martha in Santa Fe

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Re: Pets
Reply #41 –
Yahoo Message Number: 110760
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Steve, we had the same issue with our cats and the shower, and I fixed that. Don't know what floor plan you have. We have an RK, with a big, spacious storage bin on the outside, rear driver's side. I cut an opening under the kitchen drawers into that bin, put a cat door in it. The bin holds the litter box and is tall enough for the cats, and I have a removable board separating the kitty portion of the bin with the storage part I use for gloves, sprayer, and other dumping supplies. Now, we have the shower for ourselves!
Our FL has much less interior and storage room than yours - and it all gets fully utilized. The conversion to kitty room takes time because I get the shower as bone-dry as possible after use. But since time is not an issue while camping, the extra few minutes wiping down is no problem.

Steve
2004 FL
2013 Honda Fit
Re: Pets
Reply #42 –
Yahoo Message Number: 110761
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When driving, I pick it up by the handle and move it temporarily to the space just behind the driver's seat (below the fridge in my midbath), so I can have ready access to the cab. When I park, I move it back. Takes literally two seconds each way. For convenience and efficient use of space I've never seen a better system than this.
The problem with the box in the house is rapid distribution of litter. In our FL, the shower has a step-over sill, and the covered cat box sits in the shower with access pointing opposite the shower entrance. That and the carpet runner swatch in the floor of the shower catch most of the escaping litter as they make their exuberant 180 out of the box.

Steve
2004 FL
2013 Honda Fit
Re: Recommendations near Kennedy Space Center?
Reply #43 –
Yahoo Message Number: 110764
Lorna..you are SO bad!

Ted

"Coffee thread"? Oh goody! It's already March, and we haven't done that yet? Let's do the "coffee thread"!!! Ready? Set? ........!

Lorna (ducking!!)

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Re: Pets
Reply #44 –
Yahoo Message Number: 110770
"The problem with the box in the house is rapid distribution of litter."
 I see a little of that on the floor right in front of the box, but a few seconds with my Swivel Sweeper (which is mounted with a broom clip right behind the driver's seat) takes care of it. That sweeper is a wonder; it picks up litter, fur, dust, and beard hairs almost as well as a vacuum cleaner.
 In fact, I only use the vacuum a few times a year now, mainly to get into the nooks and crannies where the Swivel Sweeper won't go. Running the Swivel Sweeper around the coach daily takes only a few minutes, and does a great job of keeping the floors clean.

Andy Baird http://www.andybaird.com/travels/
Andy Baird
2021 Ford Ranger towing 2019 Airstream 19CB
Previously: 1985 LD Twin/King "Gertie"; 2003 LD Midbath "Skylark"