Re: 2010 changes Reply #50 – February 09, 2010, 12:51:06 pm Yahoo Message Number: 109899It isn't faux on the Rear Kitchen. That's where the spare is on an RK.Lee
Re: 2010 changes Reply #51 – February 09, 2010, 01:07:30 pm Yahoo Message Number: 109901The empty spare tire cover (on those models, such as the midbath, where it is in fact empty) annoys me because I would very much like to have my TIRE there, rather than shoved way back in a storage compartment, where it takes up space and is a pain to get out when needed. If I were Steve, I'd create a larger tire cover for those models, so that ALL Lazy Dazes could have the spare where it belongs. It should be a big deal to make a slightly altered mold... it just needs to be three inches deeper. Failing that, I'd put shelves in the area under the empty tire cover, or do *something* to make that space usable. (Personally, I screwed some hooks into the rear of the coach under the tire cover and attached a bungee net to them, but that's just a quick-and-dirty fix.) It's a crime to leave it empty.Andy Baird http://www.andybaird.com/travels/
Re: 2010 changes Reply #52 – February 09, 2010, 01:14:26 pm Yahoo Message Number: 109902On 02/09/2010 1:14 PM, Kenneth Fears wrote: Quote"In my opinion, there are, or were at least, five defining exterior features of a Lazy Daze. The roof rack, Faux windows, continental kit, fender skirts& the Classic paint scheme."I dunno. In my campground at this moment is a LD, I think an '87, which has a SINGLE front faux window, not the two faux windows that are more currently installed. Is the group's opinion that we should go back to a single faux window? How about the corrugated aluminum sides? Just how far back do we go? On my 1979 LD, only one of the above "five defining exterior features" exists: the fender skirts. Instead of a faux window in the cabover, it's a real one (where you can lay in bed at night and look at the stars); instead of the distinctive spare tire cover on today's LDs, mine is a simple vinyl cover; instead of a roof rack there is nothing, not even a ladder that goes up the back; even the "classic paint scheme" has evolved since then, so it is not the same, either. And yet there's no mistaking that it is a Lazy Daze. Somehow LD has managed to maintain its distinctiveness in appearance in its coaches throughout the years, even with some rather significant changes. And I have a hunch it will continue to, even with the changes that are taking place now with the 2010 models. It's the overall appearance of the coach as a whole that tells us, "this is a Lazy Daze."Fern
Re: 2010 changes Reply #53 – February 09, 2010, 01:18:26 pm Yahoo Message Number: 109903"I don't always agree with Steve but he has long said that there is no consensus on many of the things this group has discussed. I think the group has demonstrated that quite clearly." I disagree with Steve's "no consensus" excuse--and I think it is an excuse. Yes, it's true that there are multiple points of view on most topics. And on a few topics, such as the fake overcab windows, opinion is pretty much split between yea-sayers and naysayers. But on a great many subjects over the years, there has been a strong consensus shown here. Take LED taillights. How many posts here have argued in favor of them, and how many against? The majority is pretty strongly in favor. The same goes for halogen reading lights, larger propane tanks on 24' models, more vinyl flooring and less carpet, a different water pump than the trouble-prone Extreme 5.7 model, better solar panels and controllers, Thermopane-style insulated windows... all features that most members agreed on, and that Lazy Daze eventually provided. If Steve is saying "I don't have to listen to them because they don't agree unanimously," I don't buy that argument. But in truth I don't think he does either, because over the years he *has* responded to consensus opinions of this group... for which we can all be grateful, since it has resulted in steady improvements in these coaches. :-)Andy Baird http://www.andybaird.com/travels/
Re: 2010 changes Reply #54 – February 09, 2010, 01:19:50 pm Yahoo Message Number: 109904"It should be a big deal to make a slightly altered mold..." Sorry, I meant "It SHOULDN'T be a big deal to make a slightly altered mold..."Andy Baird http://www.andybaird.com/travels/
Re: 2010 changes Reply #55 – February 09, 2010, 01:24:20 pm Yahoo Message Number: 109905QuoteI dunno. In my campground at this moment is a LD, I think an '87, which has a SINGLE front faux window, not the two faux windows that are more currently installed. Is the group's opinion that we should go back to a single faux window? How about the corrugated aluminum sides? Just how far back do we go? Just for the record - there has never been a 'single faux front window', just a real one.Steve
Re: 2010 changes Reply #56 – February 09, 2010, 02:24:44 pm Yahoo Message Number: 109906Well, I carry four vinyl tire protectors and two 50' spare water hoses
Water pump mishap Reply #57 – February 09, 2010, 02:57:19 pm Yahoo Message Number: 109907Andy, One thing I noticed while visiting the factory last November was the water pump. It is the same unit that I had in my '04 Born Free. One afternoon I had just finished washing my hands in the bathroom and returned to the front of the coach when I heard a "Pop" under the sink where the pump was located and the pump started running. At first I thought "That is strange" but knew there was a big problem when water started coming from under the cabinet immediately. Good thing we were there at the time. The fresh water tank was nearly full! Even though we usually turn the pump off after use, what happened could have been even a larger disaster. The rest of the story: Upon inspection I found that the water lines attach to the pump/filter with o-ring press together joints that are secured with a black plastic half circle snap collar. The "Pop" was that collar (on the output side, of course) snapping off hitting the bottom of the shelf above it. Pump came on and flood. Since we had hardwood floors throughout the coach, that could have been a big disaster if we had not been there (even with the pump 'off'). My simple fix: The ring was not broken, but just weak and not staying on the two little ears that held it in place. Black electrical tape to the rescue! I wrapped the collar all around the joints (in & out sides) many times stretching the tape tight. No more problems. I told Todd Miller about the problem with those joints when I saw them in their new units that were under construction. He said they would look into it. Everyone that has a water pump in their coach with the above described pipe fittings might want to evaluate a means of preventing what happened to us. Cheers, Mike Coachman
Re: Water pump mishap Reply #58 – February 09, 2010, 03:27:46 pm Yahoo Message Number: 109908Thanks for the cautionary tale, Mike! I'm having a little trouble visualizing what you described, though. Granted, I installed my SHURflo "Revolution" 4008 pump myself (replacing my 2003 midbath's "Whisper King"), so my fittings may be different--sounds as if they are. You said "the water lines attach to the pump/filter with o-ring press together joints that are secured with a black plastic half circle snap collar." My 4008 pump has threaded input and output fittings molded as part of the pump head. Onto those are screwed right-angle adapters terminating in 5/8" hose barbs. Fiber-reinforced vinyl hoses are fitted tightly over those barbs (I had to dip the hoses in boiling water to get them to go onto the barbs) and secured with tightened hose clamps. None of this sounds like what you described, so I'm guessing either we're not talking about the same pump, or the LD factory is using a completely different coupling system. Can you help clear up the mystery for us?Andy Baird http://www.andybaird.com/travels/
Re: 2010 changes Reply #59 – February 09, 2010, 03:44:32 pm Yahoo Message Number: 109909Andy said "But on a great many subjects over the years, there has been a strong consensus shown here." I agree. I should have been more clear, and I apologize for the way my words came out. It was my intention, and I think Steve's point if I understood him, that not everybody agrees about some things. On things like LED taillights, there has been consensus. On cosmetic appearance, (front faux windows, paint schemes, etc) I think there are almost as many different opinions as there are members (LOL).Ken F. in NM[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: 2010 changes Reply #60 – February 09, 2010, 03:53:45 pm Yahoo Message Number: 109910I want to second Andy's comment about the empty foux spare tire cover. When I was first looking at the LD's I thought that it was cool looking, and appreciated that the spare was protected. After owning an LD 30IB for a while I soon become to resent the fact that the space is unused. My spare is now mounted under the LD and the space where the spare would have been stored is well used with chairs, ect.I have often wondered what fixes other owners have done to strengthen the cover and to make the space usable. Any cool solutions out there?Ed[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: Water pump mishap Reply #61 – February 09, 2010, 04:12:27 pm Yahoo Message Number: 109911QuoteYou said "the water lines attach to the pump/filter with o-ring press together joints that are secured with a black plastic half circle snap collar." Hello Andy; I'm not Mike but the factory installed pump in my '08 MB is installed just as Mike described. The pump discharge line is a threaded fitting. However, on the inlet side, there is a plastic clip shaped like the letter C. You push the male plastic fitting on the water line into the female fitting on the pump and secure it with the plastic clip. Why it's not a simple threaded fitting like the discharge side is beyond me. I guess some engineer must have thought this was a better way. A simple wrap of tape, as suggested, would prevent the clip from popping off. A good use for my Rescue Tape. Ever since I got a roll, I've just been itching to find a use for it. Now I have.Edhttp://www.rescuetape.com/
Re: 2010 changes Reply #62 – February 09, 2010, 04:31:10 pm Yahoo Message Number: 109912Quote The empty spare tire cover (on those models, such as the midbath, where it is in fact empty) annoys me because I would very much like to have my TIRE there, rather than shoved way back in a storage compartment ...... Until this discussion, my idea was that the "Continental" cover is cute, but maybe it's an anachronism. MB's might be cheaper to make without it and the change would be harmless. Then one of us said the RK has their spare tire there. Since there's a good reason to stock and use these parts, the MB gets his just like his brothers. Rule in the factory: "use the same parts on every coach."This is not exactly an "agile" manufacturing strategy. At the same time, I think that a slow-to-evolve process preserves quality very well. Toyota, on the other hand, seems to have been very agile - a car for every niche, at the front of the rapid-change pack. Uhm, maybe I like Steve's way pretty well, even while coveting double glazing and taillights.John
Re: 2010 changes Reply #63 – February 09, 2010, 05:19:44 pm Yahoo Message Number: 109914Ed, how did you mount the spare? Similar to a crank down set up on a pickup truck? Do you have any pictures?Thanks, Jerry
Re: 2010 changes Reply #64 – February 09, 2010, 05:19:48 pm Yahoo Message Number: 109915I was just muttering to myself the other day when I was cleaning the coach about having to have the apare tire
Re: 2010 changes Reply #65 – February 09, 2010, 07:37:16 pm Yahoo Message Number: 109919"On cosmetic appearance, (front faux windows, paint schemes, etc) I think there are almost as many different opinions as there are members (LOL)." I think you hit the nail on the head, Ken: when it comes to features, we generally agree, but when it comes to looks, opinions vary widely.Andy Baird http://www.andybaird.com/travels/
Re: Water pump mishap Reply #66 – February 09, 2010, 07:42:09 pm Yahoo Message Number: 109921"I'm not Mike but the factory installed pump in my '08 MB is installed just as Mike described." Ken sent me pictures, and it's evident that Mike was talking about the old Extreme 5.7 pump, which I hadn't seen firsthand. I understand the coupling situation that Miked described now. I must say that the whole thing seems needlessly complicated to me, and perhaps that's why in their latest model pump--the "Revolution" 4008 that I installed in Skylark, and which apparently Lazy Daze is now using in its 2010 coaches--SHURflo have gone back to simple threaded pipes. Ken did make one good point--the coupling on the 5.7 pump "is a great system if you have to change the pump a lot!" Very true, and maybe that's why they did it that way. ;-)Andy Baird http://www.andybaird.com/travels/
Re: Water pump mishap Reply #67 – February 10, 2010, 09:17:24 am Yahoo Message Number: 109931Andy,The Shurflo Extreme Sensor 5.7 pump was the standard pump for the past few years, starting somewhere between '03 and 05 - our '02 FL had the Whisper King; our newer RB has the 5.7. The 5.7 uses a unique system of quick-release fittings to fasten the lines to the pump. This is a Shurflo fitting, not LD's. These are what Mike was talking about.Ted H.NE-13@ Destin Army Rec Center, FLI'm guessing either we're not talking about the same pump, or the LD factory is using a completely different coupling system. Can you help clear up the mystery for us?[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: Water pump mishap Reply #68 – February 10, 2010, 10:35:58 am Yahoo Message Number: 109932QuoteThe "Pop" was that collar (on the output side, of course) snapping off hitting the bottom of the shelf above it. My simple fix: The ring was not broken, but just weak and not staying on the two little ears that held it in place. Black electrical tape to the rescue! It is very likely that the clip was installed backward rather than being weak. The clips that hold the fittings in place on the shurflo extreme series must be installed with the word "fitting" facing outward from the pump. When installed this way it will be rather hard to remove especially in close quarters. If it is reversed it will slide off easily and a little vibration could cause it to fly off on its own. I discovered this when I inadvertently installed one wrong and pulled on it to see if it was secure. It came flying off and I had to search for it under all the other stuff in that compartment.It should never be necessary to use tape to hold one of these clips in place.MontiMonument, CO
Re: Water pump mishap Reply #69 – February 10, 2010, 11:08:59 am Yahoo Message Number: 109934Quote I must say that the whole thing seems needlessly complicated to me, and perhaps that's why in their latest model pump--the "Revolution" 4008 that I installed in Skylark, and which apparently Lazy Daze is now using in its 2010 coaches--SHURflo have gone back to simple threaded pipes. Andy, were there any modifications required to mount the 4008 for the Whisper King in your 2003. Are mounting holes and hose connections the same? Joe Hamm-San Jose
Re: Water pump mishap Reply #70 – February 10, 2010, 01:49:18 pm Yahoo Message Number: 109938"were there any modifications required to mount the 4008 for the Whisper King in your 2003. Are mounting holes and hose connections the same?" The connections were the same: threaded stubs protruding from opposite sides of the pump's front. I could have used the original hoses, but Lazy Daze left zero slack--they don't believe in "service loops"--so I added a loop of additional 5/8" hose just so that the pump would be easier to work with. The mounting holes were not the same, but heck, they're just screws going into the floor--a couple more holes don't matter. :-) The 4008 pump is performing just fine so far. The doubled flow rate is welcome, yet despite it, my water consumption hasn't increased noticeably, because I don't need to let the water run as long now. I'm not crazy about the higher noise level compared to the extremely quiet Whisper King, but it's no worse than most pumps I've encountered, and better than some.Andy Baird http://www.andybaird.com/travels/
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