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Steve is a fine engineer, but I don't think he has ever cooked a mea
Yahoo Message Number: 109354
It's not just Steve!  I don't think that many RV engineers, designers, builders, etc. ever use them the way that their customers do.  We cook and eat in our rig.  When we had our Beaver Patriot diesel, it came with a useless, two-burner Gagganeau (sp?) stove that would not turn down.  We had to carry one of these gas burner 'tamers' to keep everything from boiling! It was also recessed into the counter so only small pans would fit.  That coach did have, to its credit, over 7' of kitchen counter space measuring over the stove and sink.  And that was a 33' rig.  Our current 31' Class "C" SOB, has over 6' of kitchen counter space with the end 'flipper' in the up position and has a decent, 3 burner Magic Chef stove that works great.
These guys ought to be required to live in their rigs at lease two or three weeks each year.

Glen

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Re: Steve is a fine engineer, but I don't think he has ever cooked a
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Yahoo Message Number: 109357
"Glen R. Fotre, CCIM"  wrote:
 It's not just Steve!  I don't think that many RV engineers, designers, builders, etc. ever use them the way that their customers do.  We cook and eat in our rig.
--- This lack of functional, practical design and layout is hardly limited to RV manufacturers; the only residential kitchen I ever had that "worked" was one that I designed myself! How many people have lived in houses with kitchens designed by some guy whose only experience with food preparation is nuking take-out in the micro? The guiding principle behind RV (and house) design is not necessarily how "user friendly" a design (or product) might be; it's "standardization" and whatever *fits* in the alloted spaces, regardless of how clumsily or awkwardly the "whatever" may function there.  (Or, in LD's case, how many more gross of the "whatevers" are still in the back room to use up before changing the design or product! ;-) )
 IMO, Lazy Daze does a better job than many manufacturers in utilizing existing space and designing function into their floor plans and layouts. I'm sure that we all have our own changes and "improvements" in mind that we'd like to see LD make, but if there were ever a good example of "YMMV", those changes would be it; tweaking one's nest and thinking up "improvements" is a creative outlet!

Joan
2003 TK has a new home
Re: Steve is a fine engineer, but I don't think he has ever cooked a
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Yahoo Message Number: 109358
What struck me in this thread is not how much Steve has lived in an LD, but how much he asked customers as to what they want in an LD.

Plus, I think Andy has really hit on something: LD describes its models in terms like "Mid-Bath," "Rear-Bath," "Rear-Kitchen," etc, just like engineers like me would normally gravitate toward, aka "Features."  But Customers are more interested in "Benefits."

The old "Party-Plan" is much more suggestive to a Prospect than "Rear-Bath."  That there IS a bath is a definite BENEFIT, WHERE it is located is a detail.
 Likewise, Andy's suggestion for today's world, an LD model something like "Home Office" or "Road Office" might be very attractive to those who already work at home via the Internet.

best, paul

"Thriving not surviving" - Paul Schaye (at 2008 NYC Marathon) - See our website at www. LazyDazers.com
Steve is a fine engineer, but I don't think he has ever cooked a
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Yahoo Message Number: 109367
While I, Like everyone else, think there's room for improvement, I am quite please with the kitchen in our 30TB.

Of course I would love more counter space, and if we ever hit the lottery, I would change out my stove, sink and microwave (I have the plans all drawn up in my head).  That said, I cook a LOT, I bake bread, I make cakes and pies, lots of stews, lots of huge pots of mixed veggies.

Recently I made my first batch of mozzarella cheese, right in my kitchen.

If you really want to cook in the rig, organization is the key.  It took me a while, but I think there isn't anything I couldn't cook in my LD kitchen.  I think back to how, in the stick house, everything was so spread out and I love the layout in my rig.
 In our travels, we stop at lots of small town museums.  In them, we've seen quite a few mock ups of old homes, and many of them aren't much bigger than my Lazy Daze (and they raised families in that space).
 Somewhere along the line, BIG houses became the norm but I much prefer living small.  If we were  ever to go back to a stick house, it would be small (although probably not quite as small as Cholula Red).

I love living in this space

Just my opinion.

Kate
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Re: Steve is a fine engineer, but I don't think he has ever cooked a
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Yahoo Message Number: 109379
We have a 2005 Rear Bath (read: no kitchen counter space) model, and I am a "from-scratch" cook.  We never cook outside and rarely eat out.  Here's what I have done to make this situation bearable.
 I bought two tempered glass chopping blocks ($7. each on closeout at Sierra Trading Post), and use one or both situated over the stove (cover up or down - doesn't matter) and/or over the sinks/flip-up area.  I have used an identical unit at home and in other rigs since 1987, so am already accustomed to working on that sized surface.  When not in use, I put them at the back of the dinette seat under the clock, standing upright.  This area of the dinette is also my "desk", but having them there does not interfere at all with my using the area.
 I've uploaded a picture of each in the photos folder at the home site.

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The tissue box that you see at the back left of the sink is where I stuff plastic shopping/produce bags for easy reuse.  It sits right there by the entry door when my husband is doing "stuff" outside, because he always seems to need a plastic bag for something.  When we are in port, I put the box between the two lambrequins at the left end of the sofa.  It isn't elegant "decor", but we always know where to find a plastic bag.  I do try to get a color-coordinated tissue box, though!  ;->

Virtual hugs,

Judie Not quite so grounded in Sierra Vista, Arizona Soon headed for New Mexico

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