Engine warm up December 29, 2009, 06:57:34 pm Yahoo Message Number: 108819I was wondering how long to warm up my V10 before heading off from an overnight stay. One off line response was their LD is ready to go right away but they personally needed at least a half hour. No help in the archives or www. Jay Green'07RK-
Re: Engine warm up Reply #1 – December 29, 2009, 07:10:26 pm Yahoo Message Number: 108820Jay,The v10 is just another modern gas engine. From Mother Earth News: "The best bet? Even when it's 10 degrees F outside, start your car, let it run for 30 to 60 seconds to get all the fluids moving, then drive off gently. Your engine will warm up faster, your exhaust system will get up to temperature faster so the catalytic converter can do its thing, and you'll use less fuel. Which is what you wanted all along anyhow, right?" Link: http://tinyurl.com/yd9zsneAlex Rutchka, SE #4 '05 MB
Re: Engine warm up Reply #2 – December 29, 2009, 07:12:23 pm Yahoo Message Number: 108821"I was wondering how long to warm up my V10 before heading off from an overnight stay." Check your Ford owner's manual--that's the final authority--but as far as I know, no warmup is required.Andy Baird http://www.andybaird.com/travels/
Re: Engine warm up Reply #3 – December 29, 2009, 08:47:09 pm Yahoo Message Number: 108823QuoteCheck your Ford owner's manual--that's the final authority--but as far as I know, no warmup is required. No warmup simply violates the laws of physics, although auto manufacturers don't worry about that too much since an engine that doesn't last 150,000+ miles suits them just fine. It's the same as it is for a generator (as any engine) in that it will last longer if it's warmed up before put under a load. And moving an LD is a /load/!!! Metallurgy doesn't support at least /some/ warmup. Engines /love/ to be worked hard, but cold engines don't. At the very least, a couple of minutes won't hurt that much and will make your engine much happier. --Dan
Re: Engine warm up Reply #4 – December 29, 2009, 09:18:50 pm Yahoo Message Number: 108826that sounds like sound advice Dan. I figure that when firing up the engine after or before making sure everything is secured for travel that most likely your gonna be in a campground or your storage lot, perhaps at your home. As you motor out to the road and on your way and NOT jumping on the interstate that you should have suffcient time for your rig to reach operating temps which would be kind to your engine. John 85FL.
Re: Engine warm up Reply #5 – December 30, 2009, 07:51:55 am Yahoo Message Number: 108829When an engine is turned off, much of the oil that was distributed throughout the engine via the oil pump drains back into the oil pan. It was designed to do this. It's a known fact that most of the wear that occurs in an engine happens during start up! If all of your oil ever leaked out and you ran your engine for a while, the engine would seize up from a lack of lubrication! If you're in an extremely cold climate, regular petroleum based oil will actually start to thicken due to the cold temperature so a longer warmup is extremely important. That's why a lot of people way up north (Minnesota, Canada, etc.) use engine block heaters, to prevent the oil from thickening at extremely cold temps. Years ago, I had to go out to start my car when it was 75 degrees below zero (Wind chill was a factor in determining the temperature) but it was @&!#% COLD OUT! Several other neighbors were out trying to start their cars! When my car started on the second cranking, one of the neighbors yelled out, what are you using, battery warmer and an engine heater? I answered back, Mobil #1 Synthetic Oil. It doesn't thicken up like conventional petroleum oil does. Look at the specs and operating range of the two oils, drastically different! For the absolute best situation in all types of driving conditions, use a Synthetic! Read the specs and decide for yourselves! There is a darn good reason almost all NASCAR drivers use a Synthetic in their $150,000 engines that they run to the maximum of extreme. There was a product shown on TV a while back (Don't recall the name) where professional race car drivers ran expensive exotic (Viper?) cars around a race track with the oil pan drained of oil. Great product and the demonstration was very convincing. Not sure what the product would do in extreme weather conditions though. The ultimate would be to use Synthetic oil with an electric oil pump that you could turn on to lubricate your entire engine and its internal parts prior to starting it.Ed 94 LD MB
Re: Engine warm up Reply #6 – December 30, 2009, 11:28:03 am Yahoo Message Number: 108836SEVENTY FIVE B-B-B-BELOW ZERO? ? ? ? ( dont mean to shout, but I got da chills just writing the words ) Jimmany christmass, where in de heck you LIVE???...mumble, mumble...75...below. Kazuths! gotta take me a hot shower...75 Gene in chilly Sanford, Fl__
Re: Engine warm up Reply #7 – December 30, 2009, 11:50:22 am Yahoo Message Number: 108837QuoteThere was a product shown on TV a while back (Don't recall the name) where professional race car drivers ran expensive exotic (Viper?) cars around a race track with the oil pan drained of oil. Great product and the demonstration was very convincing. Not sure what the product would do in extreme weather conditions though. I wouldn't put much faith in any such a promotion. Vehicles with a wet sump are designed to cool the cylinders with the circulating oil. If relying on the oil coating the piston rings and bearings to do all the lube, the oil might stand up, but the engine will overheat and parts will expand outside safe tolerances shortly. Even dry-sump designs depend on circulating lubricant for cooling. For the promo, the cooling system may have been 'souped-up' to compensate.Steve
Re: Engine warm up Reply #8 – December 30, 2009, 12:34:33 pm Yahoo Message Number: 108839Hey Gene I am new to the list but it looks like we are neighbors. I am in ZellwoodJo Ann
Re: Engine warm up Reply #9 – December 30, 2009, 07:32:49 pm Yahoo Message Number: 108847In my F-150 with 160,000 miles I regularly use Lucas Oil Treatment, it's /fantastic/ at preventing "dry starts", where the engine runs for a couple of seconds before oil is pumped in (and it has that nasty unlubricated sound). 1 qt of Lucas per every 5 qts of regular oil does the job. I'm not sure it would be a good thing to put in an LD engine that runs super light weight 5W-20 oil (Lucas is /heavy/ stuff), but perhaps someone here might know differently. --Dan
Re: Engine warm up Reply #10 – December 31, 2009, 09:50:28 am Yahoo Message Number: 10885075 below! Jesus Marimba that is cold. I experienced 50 below living Alaska back
Re: Engine warm up Reply #11 – January 02, 2010, 03:55:34 pm Yahoo Message Number: 108919"...they personally needed at least a half hour..."QuoteJay Jay If those folks who need a half hour to warm up their rig were parked next to me I'd like to accelerate the warm-up process with the business end of a 12 Gauge!!! And that goes in spades for the diesel owners.Steve S. Lazy Bones & Jiggs
Re: Engine warm up Reply #12 – January 02, 2010, 04:43:03 pm Yahoo Message Number: 108922"If those folks who need a half hour to warm up their rig were parked next to me..." Steve, I don't think there's much chance you'll run into anyone who takes that long. Let me explain what was behind Jay's comment. He wrote to me privately awhile back and asked me how long it took Skylark's thrusters to warm up. I replied, tongue in cheek, that *Skylark* is always ready to go, but it takes *me* about half an hour to get ready. In his post #108819, Jay paraphrased that exchange as "One off line response was their LD is ready to go right away but they personally needed at least a half hour." But that didn't mean anybody was routinely idling their engine for half an hour. If they were, I'd be right beside you, handing you the shells as you pumped and fired. ;-)Andy Baird http://www.andybaird.com/travels/
Re: Engine warm up Reply #13 – January 02, 2010, 05:57:28 pm Yahoo Message Number: 108926"But that didn't mean anybody was routinely idling their engine for half an hour. If they were, I'd be right beside youQuote Andy Baird Andy Sitting in a nice quiet campground, under the shadow of Mt. Whitney just south of Lone Pine, CA. Having left the site of the Death Valley Desperadoes GTG where we had a bang up time on New Years Eve. I was once sleeping in a tent trailer in a deer camp when the folks in the next campsite decided they should warm up their diesel pickup and let it run while they ate breakfast. My 5 cell Maglite flashlight got their attention just before I announced that if they didn't shut that *&%$@ truck off, I'd personally do it for them permanently. The silence that followed was heavenly!Steve S. Lazy Bones & Jiggs
Re: Engine warm up Reply #14 – January 02, 2010, 10:02:21 pm Yahoo Message Number: 108928"One off line response was their LD is ready to go right away but they personally needed at least a half hour." I got a chuckle out of that and wanted to share it. I was hoping for some "simple" feedback from the group regarding how long one should wait after starting the engine before driving off at the beginning of a trip. Jay
Re: Engine warm up Reply #15 – January 02, 2010, 10:56:00 pm Yahoo Message Number: 108929At 08:02 PM 1/2/2010, you wrote:QuoteI was hoping for some "simple" feedback from the group regarding how long one should wait after starting the engine before driving off at the beginning of a trip. Jay, I think you actually got that, buried amidst the humor. :-)Basically, you're good to go without any special warmup...just wait long enough to be sure the engine is actually running and isn't about to cough out. For me, that's probably 30 seconds. As always, though, it depends on the year and model you own. Newer Fords don't need any special warmup time. Older models might.Sonsie
Re: Engine warm up Reply #16 – January 03, 2010, 12:23:01 am Yahoo Message Number: 108933now, now, now, and I thought I had problems about kicking butt.hehehe...Gene
Re: Engine warm up Reply #17 – January 03, 2010, 12:29:41 am Yahoo Message Number: 108934Jimmany christmass, and I thought I was gun happy, ANDY i'm ashamed of you...harharhar. Gene in COLD Sanford__
Re: Engine warm up Reply #18 – January 03, 2010, 09:29:46 am Yahoo Message Number: 108935Sonsie Conroy wrote: Basically, you're good to go without any special warmup...just wait long enough to be sure the engine is actually running and isn't about to cough out. For me, that's probably 30 seconds. As always, though, it depends on the year and model you own. Newer Fords don't need any special warmup time. Older models might. --- Pretty much what I do, too. Unless it's very cold, I start the engine, let it run for 30-60 seconds, and drive off slowly, maintaining a "low" speed until the Scan Gauge shows the "right" numbers. The oil warms and circulates and the engine reaches "operating temperature" pretty quickly. Idling the engine (or worse, *revving* the engine!) to "warm it up" is a fuel-waster and not necessary for newer engines. This article offers good advice:http://tinyurl.com/yd9zsneJoan
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