EternaBond Nightmare! June 01, 2009, 07:56:42 pm Yahoo Message Number: 102840Last week we applied EternaBond to the seams and vents on the roof of our LDThe roof was pressure washed and allowed to dry for several days. The areas where cleaned with lacquer thinner and wiped before application of the EternaBond. At this point I'm totally disgusted... The stuff appears to be releasing from the roof with pockets developing underneath and just coming lose all over. Even the place where the seams where overlapped, the product isn't sticking to itself. Any ideas? Products used Eternabond White Micro Sealant Leak Repair Tape - 4" x 50' RollThanksEllen[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: EternaBond Nightmare! Reply #1 – June 01, 2009, 08:07:03 pm Yahoo Message Number: 102841Quote Last week we applied EternaBond to the seams and vents on the roof of our LDQuote The roof was pressure washed and allowed to dry for several days. The areas where cleaned with lacquer thinner and wiped before application ofQuotethe EternaBond. At this point I'm totally disgusted... The stuff appears to be releasing from the roof with pockets developing underneath and just coming lose all over. Even the place where the seams where overlapped, the product isn't sticking to itself. Any ideas? Products used Eternabond White Micro Sealant Leak Repair Tape - 4" x 50'QuoteRollThanks Ellen[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] did you rub the tape with plenty of pressure or use a roller? the eternabond will not stick to silicone eithier...rob
Re: EternaBond Nightmare! Reply #2 – June 01, 2009, 08:21:24 pm Yahoo Message Number: 102842EternaBond will not stick to silicone either...>> I sure did and I realize that it doesn't stick to silicone per instructions.Thanks for your response:)Ellen[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: EternaBond Nightmare! Reply #3 – June 01, 2009, 08:24:10 pm Yahoo Message Number: 102843Quote... did you rub the tape with plenty of pressure or use a roller? the eternabond will not stick to silicone eithier... That was my first guess, too. It needs good firm pressure; I used a seam roller from my wallpapering kit. Another possibility is that it was too old; IIRC the official shelf life of Eternabond is 5 years. Where and when did you buy it?Joanne in Boston NE-44
Re: EternaBond Nightmare! Reply #4 – June 01, 2009, 09:47:51 pm Yahoo Message Number: 102847QuoteThe areas where cleaned with lacquer thinner Here is one possibility, EllenLacquer thinner: Used to dilute, dissolve and clean up of lacquer products. Typically too caustic for oil paints, lacquer thinner is often used additionally for removing inks on metal, and adhesive residue from a variety of surfaces. Lacquer thinner is very strong and rapidly deteriorates many surfaces and fabrics. Always test in inconspicuous area before use.Ed
Re: EternaBond Nightmare! Reply #5 – June 01, 2009, 09:49:35 pm Yahoo Message Number: 102848QuoteProducts used Eternabond White Micro Sealant Leak Repair Tape - 4" x 50' RollThanks Ellen Ellen, most of us used Eternabond Roof Seal white and not the Micro Sealant. They carry slighty different stock number. I wonder if there could be any appreciable difference that would cause problems. http://www.bestmaterials.com/detail.aspx?ID=11341 Joe Hamm-San Jose
Re: EternaBond Nightmare! Reply #6 – June 01, 2009, 10:16:14 pm Yahoo Message Number: 102849Lacquer thinner:>>http://tinyurl.com/mse9v4 According to the EternaBond website instructions... It suggests using Lacquer thinner.What are my options now?Thank you for your response.Ellen[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: EternaBond Nightmare! Reply #7 – June 01, 2009, 10:30:00 pm Yahoo Message Number: 102850Eternabond Roof Seal white and not the Micro Sealant. They carry slighty different stock number. I wonder if there could be any appreciable difference that would cause problems http://www.bestmaterials.com/detail.aspx?ID=11341 Joe Hamm-San Jose>>Joe, I believe that the product is one of the same. Please note the contents under composition in the article in the link you just sent It states...COMPOSITION: Eternabond RoofSeal utilizes Eternabond's advanced MicroSealant technology. It features a 100% solids proprietary formulation of synthetic resins, thermoplastics and non-curing rubber (not butyl) and a built-in primer. The MicroSealant is bonded to a tough UV staple backing. The facing side of the MicroSealant is then covered by an easily removed plastic release liner The link of the EternaBond that I purchased, I found via Andy Baird's Eureka cd.Thank you Ellen[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: EternaBond Nightmare! Reply #8 – June 01, 2009, 10:30:28 pm Yahoo Message Number: 102851Quote Ellen, most of us used Eternabond Roof Seal white and not the Micro Sealant. They carry slighty different stock number. I wonder if there could be any appreciable difference that would cause problems. http://www.bestmaterials.com/detail.aspx?ID=11341 Joe Hamm-San Jose the micro sealant version is the same as the rv white tape.. they both have the micro sealant
EternaBond Nightmare! Reply #9 – June 01, 2009, 10:53:03 pm Yahoo Message Number: 102852Ellen, I had a thought that may or may not apply. Was the area to be covered clean of old caulk? If there was still caulk present, the lacquer thinner MAY have softened or partially dissolved the old caulk. The caulk may then have still been a bit soft when you applied the tape. That may have been a factor. Perhaps someone else here will have more data on the interaction between thinner and caulk. This is TOTAL guesswork on my part. To test it, I would put some thinner on the caulk, wait a few minutes, then touch the caulk to see if it was made tacky by the thinner. It sounds like you have a real headache with that, and I sympathize. I hope someone here can give you the answer. Ken
Re: EternaBond Nightmare! Reply #10 – June 01, 2009, 11:31:17 pm Yahoo Message Number: 102856http://tinyurl.com/nn9gq ...pics of some of it coming lose.I purchased the EternaBond at rvupgradestore.com as well as the EternaBond Roof Vent Installation Kit for my bathroom vent that we just installed. We also pulled the AC and the swamp cooler and resealed them as well.Ellen
Re: EternaBond Nightmare! Reply #11 – June 01, 2009, 11:36:56 pm Yahoo Message Number: 102857EllenWhen I looked on the link you gave Eternabond had a phone number at the end. It was 888-336-2663. Maybe they can help?Nancy in Atlanta
Re: EternaBond Nightmare! Reply #12 – June 02, 2009, 12:14:55 am Yahoo Message Number: 102859"The stuff appears to be releasing from the roof with pockets developing underneath and just coming lose all over. Even the place where the seams where overlapped, the product isn't sticking to itself. Any ideas?"Ellen If the Eternabond does not stick to itself, on the overlaps, the roll may have been contaminated somehow. I assume that your roof has not previously been coated with an aftermarket sealant and that you are applying the tape to the Factory painted roof. I have sealed at least a dozen roofs with Eternabond and the stuff has stuck every time. I have used both lacquer thinner and acetone to clean the roof. Is this a previously owned rig? If so, the PO might have coated the roof with some type of silicone sealant or wax. Any type of silicone will prevent the Eternabond from sticking. It could also contaminate the tape and keep it from sticking to itself. The best way of making sure any silicone spray or wax has been removed is to use a pre-paint cleaner that is made to remove silicone. An auto paint store will have it or you can get it online. http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?itemID=408&itemType=PRODUCT> Poking a small hole in the bubble, with a sharp Exacto knife, and then rolling the air out normally can fix bubbles.Good luck and let us know if you find a solution.Larry
EternaBond Nightmare! Reply #13 – June 02, 2009, 11:26:29 am Yahoo Message Number: 102867Ellen, I'm very sorry to hear that you and your husband did all that work and had poor results. I can imagine how frustrating that must be! If your Eternabond won't even stick to itself, I'd be inclined to think that the tape itself was defective. In any case, if I were in your situation, I'd call up the company and see what they suggested. Do you have any of the tape left over? They may want to examine it to see what went wrong. It wouldn't hurt to try rolling it down firmly, after puncturing the bubbles with a sewing needle. (Don't worry, the sticky rubber will close around the tiny holes you make.) But I'd talk with Eternabond first. Please let us know what you find out. This is the first time I've heard of an Eternabond adhesion failure on a properly prepared roof*, so if there's a trick or something to avoid, we'd all like to know about it. * I did have a few places on Gertie where Eternabond came loose, but that was because I hadn't been able to clean properly under the solar panels, which cover almost the entire roof.Andy Baird http://www.andybaird.com/travels/
Re: EternaBond Nightmare! Reply #14 – June 02, 2009, 05:22:41 pm Yahoo Message Number: 102880bubbles with a sewing needle. (Don't worry, the sticky rubber will close around the tiny holes you make.) But I'd talk with Eternabond first.>> Thanks Andy:)) The Eternabond that we have is not as sticky as what they show on the web site. As I have stated, It release from itself and it shouldn't do that. We have punctured the bubbles and again rolled over on all the seams... It is just not going to stick. The company stated that we prepped it correctly and are assuming that we left the liner on. This not being the case! To remove all the Eternabond and reapplying is going to be a nightmare!Ellen:))[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: EternaBond Nightmare! Reply #15 – June 03, 2009, 02:48:59 pm Yahoo Message Number: 102907Not trying to be smart but just covering all ideas to be helpful; did you remove the clear release film on the adhesive side of tape to expose the adhesive as you installed it? Just a thought since the tape will stick on the edges without removing the film! If this is not the case I would call Eternabond and see if they can shed some light.Good luck and hope an answer and solution comes your way.Kent
Re: EternaBond Nightmare! Reply #16 – June 03, 2009, 03:55:04 pm Yahoo Message Number: 102911>Hi Kent, Thank you for your response on my Eternabond dilema. Please note, that on more recent posts, I have addressed the issue regarding that the clear release film was removed. I have been in contact with the company as well. According to the person whom I spoke... Out of over a million rolls sold, only 100' of it seems to have had some type of failure. Plus mine of course:) I would say that is a very low failure ratio. Although I wished I was one of the success stories:) It is what is and we will see what can be done about it.A communication I received this morning... The rolls are being shipped out to you, again I am sorry you experienced problems. In my previous E-mail, I was not referring to you not removing the release liner. What I meant was that the tape is easier to work with on long runs (even as short as 7 feet) if you pull back the release liner about a foot at a time as you go along laying the tape. I knew that you had not left release liner on when you applied it. I hope this clarifies what I was trying to convey.All the best,[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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