Exterior Storage December 28, 2008, 02:40:20 pm Yahoo Message Number: 98222There seems to be plenty of info and pix on the various interior floor plans and storage for LDs. But, are there any diagrams with location and sizes for exterior storage for the various models? Something that shows where items like batteries, propane, genset, tanks, plus open storage would be really nice. Anyone know where to find this info, or perhaps up to creating such drawings for the Files?
Re: Exterior Storage Reply #1 – December 28, 2008, 04:10:37 pm Yahoo Message Number: 98229"are there any diagrams with location and sizes for exterior storage for the various models? Something that shows where items like batteries, propane, genset, tanks, plus open storage would be really nice."The short answer, unfortunately, is "no." We do have a document in Files > Lazy Daze Information called "Generator Location for LDs.txt". And Alex Rutchka was kind enough to post an annotated floorplan with most of the storage dimensions for his 26.5' Rear Kitchen rig in the same folder. I've posted a detailed list of all storage dimensions for my 2003 26.5' Midbath in message #73410, and you can find a similarly detailed list of all storage dimensions in my former rig (1985 22' Twin/King) near the bottom of this page:http://www.andybaird.com/travels/gertie/index.html> But we don't have anything like a complete set of dimensioned drawings or listings for all models. The factory doesn't provide dimensioned floorplans, let alone volumetric dimensions for cupboards, bins and so on. (Neither do most other RV manufacturers.) If somebody wanted to spend a couple of days at the factory showroom with a tape measure, and a couple more days writing it up, it could be done... but it'd be a lot of work. Any volunteers? :-)Andy Baird http://www.andybaird.com/travels/
Re: Exterior Storage Reply #2 – December 28, 2008, 06:18:55 pm Yahoo Message Number: 98231Andy,Just for the record, the file attributed to me has my name only because I had converted it the original file, authored by someone else, to a .PNG file. It is easily displayed by most any browser. Like you, I have a mid-bath floor plan. The credit for the file belongs "allmuxedup" i.e. Evelyn Sedillos-Hansen.Alex
Re: Exterior Storage Reply #3 – December 28, 2008, 07:11:18 pm Yahoo Message Number: 98235Quote from: Andy Baird" "The factory doesn't provide dimensioned floorplans, let alone volumetric dimensions for cupboards, bins and so on. (Neither do most other RV manufacturers.)" Seems strange they wouldn't have it in the owner's manual. Saying the rig has 2, 3 or 6 storage bins says nothing about their size or usefulness. I would think it a critical consideration for someone buying an RV. Well, I guess it just means more research. It would be nice if someone(s) took on the task of compiling the info, even if it didn't include a trip to the factory. Thanks for the help guys.Pleinguy LD Wannabe http://www.landscapesartstudio.com/
Re: Exterior Storage Reply #4 – December 28, 2008, 08:19:35 pm Yahoo Message Number: 98241"The credit for the file belongs to... Evelyn Sedillos-Hansen."Thanks for the correction, Alex!Andy Baird http://www.andybaird.com/travels/
Re: Exterior Storage Reply #5 – December 28, 2008, 08:24:14 pm Yahoo Message Number: 98242"Saying the rig has 2, 3 or 6 storage bins says nothing about their size or usefulness. I would think it a critical consideration for someone buying an RV." No argument--I wish all manufacturers provided this level of detail. But I've looked at a number of other RV makers' sites, and none of them seem to. Lazy Daze ought to be the first--especially since buy most accounts, they provide more storage space than almost any comparably sized rig. It would be a great opportunity for them to boast! :-)Andy Baird http://www.andybaird.com/travels/
Re: Exterior Storage Reply #6 – December 28, 2008, 08:40:52 pm Yahoo Message Number: 98246Lazy Daze ought to be the first--especially since buy most accounts, they provide more storage space than almost any comparably sized rig. It would be a great opportunity for them to boast! :-)Andy Baird http://www.andybaird.com/travels/Andy, not sure I would agree to your statement about LD providing more storage space. We travel with another couple who have a 28 foot Bigfoot, and the storage capacity on that rig is significantly greater than what I have on my 27 MB. We also travel with a couple with a smaller Born Free, I think it is 23 footer, and they have as much outside storage as I do, even though my rig is 4 feet longer. I have enough storage for a nice trip with my wife, but I would not call it generous.Larry in South Texas
Re: Exterior Storage Reply #7 – December 28, 2008, 09:36:41 pm Yahoo Message Number: 98250Larry, Agreed. Almost any "basement" model SOB is gonna have more storage space than an LD! They get this by raising the floor about a foot or so, so the whole rig is higher. The storage bins can then be much bigger, some extending from one side of the rig to the other. Unfortunately, many are so overweight that you can't use all that storage space for anything that weighs anything at all. Oh, did I forget to mention? The extra height makes them top heavy, generally have crumby weight distribution and handling, and poor road manners as compared to our LDs . . . but, they got more storage!bumper Yonder Minden NV
Re: Exterior Storage Reply #8 – December 28, 2008, 10:19:31 pm Yahoo Message Number: 98252Bumper, I have never seen any SOB that even would interest me. The LD is just about perfect. Next month when I get the Banks system on it and change the rear shade on the MB, it will be perfect! LOLLarry
Re: Exterior Storage Reply #9 – December 29, 2008, 08:06:56 am Yahoo Message Number: 98258wrote: If somebody wanted to spend a couple of days at the factory showroom with a tape measure, and a couple more days writing it up, it could be done... but it'd be a lot of work. Any volunteers? :-) --- And, if anyone does agree to doing this photo/measuring tape job, please include the *locations* of the fresh and waste water tanks on each model in your final report. TIA.Joan
Re: Exterior Storage Reply #10 – December 29, 2008, 08:36:10 am Yahoo Message Number: 98259QuoteIf somebody wanted to spend a couple of days at the factory showroom with a tape measure, and a couple more days writing it up, it could be done... but it'd be a lot of work. Any volunteers? :-) --- And, if anyone does agree to doing this photo/measuring tape job, please include the *locations* of the fresh and waste water tanks on each model in your final report. TIA. And, since the access opening is typically smaller than the available storage dimension once inside, that would also be useful. Don't forget radii of curvature in the corners.Steve
Re: Exterior Storage Reply #11 – December 29, 2008, 10:20:16 am Yahoo Message Number: 98264QuoteUnfortunately, many are so overweight that you can't use all that storage space for anything that weighs anything at all. Before we bought our Lazy Daze and were out looking, we stopped by a dealer here in Quartzsite who had some Bigfoot Class C's on their lot. We walked into a very nice model that had a "garage" where you could drive an ATV up into. I opened a cabinet door inside and saw that the CCC was 600-something pounds. I made the comment to Earl that once someone drove an ATV into the basement, that would just about take care of that entire 600# and you wouldn't have any room for anything else. The saleswoman tried to give us a line of malarkey about how the weight of the ATV would come out of the GCWR not the GVWR (in other words, it would be subtracted from the tow rating)! I argued with her for several minutes trying to convince her that she was wrong and, in fact, any weight put in the garage would come out of the GVWR and, thus, reduce the CCC. I finally gave up because she either did not want to believe me, or couldn't understand what I was saying. I often wondered afterward if some unsuspecting customer came along and bought her line of bull and bought that rig.Linda Hylton http://map.datastormusers.com/user1.cfm?user=1167 http://earl-linda.blogspot.com/
Re: Exterior Storage Reply #12 – December 29, 2008, 10:59:23 am Yahoo Message Number: 98267"Linda & Earl Hylton" wrote: I often wondered afterward if some unsuspecting customer came along and bought her line of bull and bought that rig. --- Of course they did! And they probably thought it was a swell deal! ;-) Despite all the information and resource material available to help consumers make smarter RV buying choices, way too many folks still seem to lack a working BS meter when it comes to RV salespeople. I've heard plenty of jaw-dropping lies and outright *dangerous* mis-information flowing from the lips of RV salespeople while the customer, in a total state of ignorance, nods knowingly, eagerly taking in the egregious nonsense and willingly basing a multi-thousand dollar purchase on complete twaddle. Ah, well, whatever....Joan
Re: Exterior Storage Reply #13 – December 29, 2008, 11:21:59 am Yahoo Message Number: 98268"I often wondered afterward if some unsuspecting customer came along and bought her line of bull and bought that rig." I'm afraid the answer is probably "yes." Barnum was right: there's a sucker born every minute... and even intelligent people can be taken in if they don't do their homework. Case in point: I recently spent some time with a pleasant middle-aged retired couple who were camped a few sites over from me. They had started full-time RVing in 1994 with a 35' Fleetwood Bounder, but were dissatisfied with the handling (and no wonder--more than 50% of the coach was behind the rear wheels!). So in 2004 they bought a 32' Fleetwood Southwind. The coach *looks* great... well, as long as you don't look at the undersides of the drawers, or things like that. ;-) But in the course of conversation, these folks casually mentioned that they've already had to replace seven (!) windows due to leakage... and they're on their third toilet (ditto, and this one is leaking too, probably due to faulty installation)... and the twenty-watt "solar power system" that they paid extra for hasn't worked in a couple of years... and lots more, down to little annoyances like the fact that many of the switches are either unlabeled or incorrectly labeled, so they've had to stick Dymo tape labels on them. You get the picture. These aren't stupid people; they just didn't do their homework. Mainly, they didn't join the RV Consumer Group before purchasing. I looked up their rig in the RVCG Guide afterward. Like most Fleetwood RVs, it was rated zero stars out of five. (Lazy Daze gets five.) I didn't tell them this, of course. They're stuck with the coach, and there's no point in making them unhappier.Oh, and they have lots of basement storage. I didn't even ask about the CCC. ;-)Andy Baird http://www.andybaird.com/travels/
Re: Exterior Storage Reply #14 – December 29, 2008, 12:23:08 pm Yahoo Message Number: 98269Quote from: Andy Baird" "I'm afraid the answer is probably "yes." Barnum was right: there's a sucker born every minute... and even intelligent people can be taken in if they don't do their homework."The place where I used to work told the customers that delamination was normal after a year or two and I never heard anyone question it. They expected lots of repairs and that's what they got ;-). Karen - with a 14 X 14 hole in the roof! Oh, and no more swamp cooler. We're off to buy a vent.
Re: Exterior Storage Reply #15 – December 29, 2008, 02:07:30 pm Yahoo Message Number: 98271QuoteThey expected lots of repairs and that's what they got ;-). And that, in a nutshell, is what is wrong with the U.S. RV manufacturers today! Can you imagine the outrage if people bought automobiles that were as plagued with problems as most RVs are? People would scream bloody murder! But they seem to expect a whole punch list of "fixes" on an RV and just take it in stride. Well, the RV manufacturers aren't going to do any better until we, the consumer, start screaming and DEMANDING better workmanship!!!Maybe what we need are a few foreign RV manufacturers to enter the market...the U.S. auto manufacturers didn't start cleaning up their act until the Japanese and others entered the U.S. market with some well-made automobiles. The same thing needs to happen with the U.S. RV market! Until then, if consumers continue accepting shoddy workmanship from the RV manufacturers, that's exactly what they'll get.Linda Hylton http://map.datastormusers.com/user1.cfm?user=1167 http://earl-linda.blogspot.com/
Re: Exterior Storage Reply #16 – December 30, 2008, 11:02:12 am Yahoo Message Number: 98283QuoteMaybe what we need are a few foreign RV manufacturers to enter the market...the U.S. auto manufacturers didn't start cleaning up their act Has anyone looked at the iCamp small pull trailers? They are Chinese made--friends bought one last summer and like it. I wonder how the craftsmanship is, but do not want to ask the proud new owners. The unit is a "super teardrop" with bath, etc, very light and cute.Carl 23 1/2 TK--The Red Baron--with bobble headed moose named "Manfred"
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