Lock Bumping January 26, 2008, 05:10:56 pm Yahoo Message Number: 88878This is something I had never heard of, but after watching the video at http://tinyurl.com/36u732 , we're going to be changing our dead bolt lock! If we had a sticks and bricks, we'd do it there, too.Linda Hylton http://map.datastormusers.com/user1.cfm?user=1167 http://earl-linda.blogspot.com/
Re: Lock Bumping Reply #1 – January 26, 2008, 06:38:24 pm Yahoo Message Number: 88882we're going to be changing our dead bolt lock!A quote from the article you referenced, Linda. "no lock is burglar-proof. If a thief wants into your RV and no one (or dog) is there to stop them, chances are high he will get in"What are you going to change your lock to?Ed
Re: Lock Bumping Reply #2 – January 26, 2008, 06:55:14 pm Yahoo Message Number: 88884"Ed" wrote:"What are you going to change your lock to?" --- Googling "lock bumping" will bring up several sites which advertise "bump-proof" deadbolt locks. I agree that anyone who is *really determined* to get into your home or RV will likely be able to do so (and there are plenty of other ways in besides the doors!), but installing a "bump-proof" deadbolt may help to deter a casual, opportunistic intruder who has picked up on the bump technique and is looking for a no-hassle entry and a quick score.Joan
Re: Lock Bumping Reply #3 – January 26, 2008, 06:57:05 pm Yahoo Message Number: 88885QuoteA quote from the article you referenced, Linda. "no lock is burglar-proof. If a thief wants into your RV and no one (or dog) is there to stop them, chances are high he will get in"What are you going to change your lock to? We're going to change to a dead bolt lock that is "bump proof" (talked about in the video). Sure, no lock is burglar-proof, but anything you can do to slow them down, is a good thing! And most thieves, as explained on the website, will look for easier opportunities if they come up against a bump-proof lock.Linda Hylton http://map.datastormusers.com/user1.cfm?user=1167 http://earl-linda.blogspot.com/
Re: Lock Bumping Reply #4 – January 26, 2008, 07:28:23 pm Yahoo Message Number: 88888The easiest way into a Class C RV is through the cab doors.Any thief worth his salt can be inside in less than 30 seconds.Ed
Re: Lock Bumping Reply #5 – January 26, 2008, 07:48:56 pm Yahoo Message Number: 88890QuoteThe easiest way into a Class C RV is through the cab doors. Many people on this list have sticks and bricks homes...lock bumping is as applicable to sticks and bricks as it is to RVs. And lots of people have RVs other than Class C's (or Class B's which would have the same problem of getting broken into through the cab doors) or in addition to their Class C's.Linda Hylton http://map.datastormusers.com/user1.cfm?user=1167 http://earl-linda.blogspot.com/
Re: Lock Bumping Reply #6 – January 26, 2008, 09:30:22 pm Yahoo Message Number: 88894Quote This is something I had never heard of, but after watching the video at Quotehttp://tinyurl.com/36u732 , we're going to be changing our dead bolt lock!QuoteIf we had a sticks and bricks, we'd do it there, too.Linda Hylton When we bought a house in TN last summer, we had the locks changed. The locksmith turned out to be a local constable, as well. We asked him about the bump-proof locks. He said it might be worth the expense in some locations, but not in ours. He said all the local losers know the technique, but don't bother going in through doors. They pick a window not visible from the road or neighbors, break it, and are in and out in under 90 seconds. They usually know exactly what they're looking for. He suggested making the house lived in, and asking a neighbor to keep an eye on it.He could have made some more money by suggesting the more expensive bump-proof locks, so I assume he knows what he's talking about, in our area anyway. YMMV.Sharon N.
Re: Lock Bumping Reply #7 – January 26, 2008, 11:32:07 pm Yahoo Message Number: 88905Don't I know. Just had it happen this week. They broke kitchen, shower and finally drivers window. The crooks took the TV, dash radio and a bunch of personal stuff. Luckily they didn't tear the place up. I'm now looking at $270/month for inside storage.
Re: Lock Bumping Reply #8 – January 26, 2008, 11:48:22 pm Yahoo Message Number: 88907Perhaps you should, we should, broadcast the location to bring attention to where attention should be focused. Hope you recover fully and can move forward with little to no scars.Smith
Re: Lock Bumping Reply #9 – January 27, 2008, 12:05:46 am Yahoo Message Number: 88908Quote Perhaps you should, we should, broadcast the location to bring attention to where attention should be focused. Hope you recover fully and can move forward with little to no scars.Smith Don't I know. Just had it happen this week. They broke kitchen, shower and finally drivers window. The crooks took the TV, dash radio and a bunch of personal stuff. Luckily they didn't tear the place up. I'm now looking at $270/month for inside storage. This happened in Las Vegas NV. Thanks for the kind thoughts. I'm way tougher than the creeps. This ain't no big thing, just a pain in the butt.
Re: Lock Bumping Reply #10 – January 27, 2008, 12:11:19 am Yahoo Message Number: 88909The easiest way into a Class C RV is through the cab doors.Any thief worth his salt can be inside in less than 30 seconds.A stout chain with a padlock strung between the doors makes it a bit harder to get in via the cab. But if an intruder crawls in through a cab window, he can merely open the coach door from the inside to waltz out with goods. A (bump-proof) lock that needs a key from either side might deter the theft of large items that can't be passed out through a broken cab window.One other cautionary tale:When you leave a rig for service, make sure that the windows are all locked AFTER the crew is finished with it. Known scam = accomplice service person leaves window unlocked or simply ajar; thief opens it and enters later when no one is in the coach, but it is locked on their lot behind a security fence, or in their adjacent campground.Sad, but true.Virtual hugs,Judie Grounded (temporarily) in - Tucson, Arizona
Re: Lock Bumping Reply #11 – January 27, 2008, 10:16:58 pm Yahoo Message Number: 88943Quote This is something I had never heard of, but after watching the video at Quotehttp://tinyurl.com/36u732 , we're going to be changing our dead bolt lock!QuoteIf we had a sticks and bricks, we'd do it there, too.Linda Hylton Linda,You are a highly experienced traveler/camper and should do whatever provides you with the highest feeling of security. However, having said that, I'd like to make a few comments about this lock bumping.I think that this video is just something that was being used for a news segment, and backed by some locksmiths to create an alarmist situation to frighten people into replacing locks to resolve a problem that doesn't really exist.From my experience I am aware of the knowledge of this procedure existing back into the '70's, but I am not aware of a single burglary using this method of ever being committed in my county of over a million people.The ordinary burglar doesn't invest in specialized "tools of the trade", and if they were going to do that there is a less expensive more reliable, device available. They use tools of opportunity like gardening or mechanical trade tools that they have some chance of justifying having in their possession. Bump keys, just like master keys (without a just reason for having them) qualify as "Possession of Burglar's Tools" and when found by any experienced cop will get the person locked up.We all know that most of us with any brand RV have the CH751 compartment key, but only a few feel the necessity to change those locks. I suspect that the door handle lock also has some commonality. I only lock the dead bolt on mine. The problem on RV's is that there is usually a window in the door. Put the best lock you can on, but if I break the window and reach in and flip the thumb latch I can easily enter. (That is also how most houses are entered when it is done through the door.) To avoid that problem you use a double sided keylock but I would never put one in my house or RV because when occupied you must leave the inside key in position in case of emergency evacuation and I always worried about trapping a child inside. But that method can inhibit burglars from carrying your belongings out the door...if you also put pins on the hinge side of your door, otherwise they pull the hinge pins and take the door off regardless of the dead bolt being in place.As others have said, in a class C, their probably going to come in the cab doors (and the padlock/chain will retard that) but personal entry through the window is going to occur.I think the high security locks are great for city apartments with steel doors in steel frames with guarded windows but much less effective in suburban residential areas, and of much more limited use in RV's....unless it makes YOU feel safer.About ten years ago my SUV was broken into when I took my daughter to college in Frederickburg Virginia. The cops caught the guy, I got my belongins back but the greatest problem was the difficulty I encountered travelling because of the smashed rear window. I had wished that I had just left it unlocked! Even on these sites I hear very little about theft. I know Andy lost a generator at Quartzite so I chain my portable up, and Tioga George had someone try to take his bike off while he was sleeping but there doesn't seem to be a lot of theft. What was your experience when you campground hosted?Since I never get out West I do have this question of others. When you are in remote areas and want to go out "jeeping" do you need to have a great concern about leaving your LD?Stay safe, be aware of your environment, and watch out for your neighbors!Regards,Don Howe Long Island
Re: Lock Bumping Reply #12 – January 27, 2008, 10:44:04 pm Yahoo Message Number: 88947Quote from: Linda & Earl Hylton" "after watching the video at http://tinyurl.com/36u732 we're going to be changing our dead bolt lock!"Linda: Changing to what? Apparently the set of bump lock keys advertised at the top of this clip open most locks, including padlocks.Anne JohnsonDrenched La Verne, CA
Re: Lock Bumping Reply #13 – January 27, 2008, 11:02:35 pm Yahoo Message Number: 88948At 08:16 PM 1/27/2008, you wrote:QuoteWhen you are in remote areas and want to go out "jeeping" do you need to have a great concern about leaving your LD? We camp in remote areas fairly often, and although we don't tow, we do hike, sometimes being away from the LD for hours at a time. In remote areas, I almost never worry, and we've never had anything stolen.I am far more nervous about leaving it in a "populated" area like a rest stop or near a trail head with a fair amount of in-and-out traffic. In fact, when we were visiting areas near Canyon de Chelly, there were signs warning people to lock their RVs and take their valuables with them, even if they were going to be gone only a few minutes. Now THAT shook me up a bit!SonsieSonsie Conroy 2001 26.5 RK Central CA
Re: Lock Bumping Reply #14 – January 28, 2008, 07:54:23 am Yahoo Message Number: 88953On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 04:16:53 -0000, "Don" don2002mb@...> wrote these inspiring words:QuoteSince I never get out West I do have this question of others. When you are in remote areas and want to go out "jeeping" do you need to have a great concern about leaving your LD? Maybe not great, but yes, I have some concern. It would be nice to always have a buddy to stay in camp.And thanks Don for your thoughtful words. They put the problem in perspective for me. PS I saw lock bumping demonstrated on YouTube last year. It does make an argument against cheap door locks, but ONLY if you make all other means of entry just as difficult.Don, in not so sunny or warm Florida
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