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19" or 20" LCD TV with built-in DVD with DC power?
Yahoo Message Number: 87012
I was wondering if anyone has found a manufacturer who makes a 19" or 20" LCD flat-screen TV with a built-in DVD drive that comes with DC power source (to use in our 2001 26.5' RK).  I know there are mfr out there who make ones with AC power, and I know there are folks that make ones with DC power but a smaller screen size.  But I have not been successful at finding one at that size, with built-in DVD and with DC power source.  I'm not convinced my internet searching skills have exhausted the possibilities, so if anyone has found such an animal, that info would be much appreciated.
Thanks,

Walter
Re: 19" or 20" LCD TV with built-in DVD with DC power?
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Yahoo Message Number: 87014
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Joe Hamm wrote: Walter, they are out there.  Scroll down to the 19" http://www.mrmarine.com.au/mr_marine_-_majestic.htm Joe Hamm
If I read the specs correctly on these TVs you might want to look elsewhere for a source.  The 19" and 20" sets on that web page are for PAL / BG - DVB-T which are European and Australian standards.  I did not see anything about ATSC there.

Monti

Monument, CO
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Yahoo Message Number: 87016
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Joe Hamm wrote: Walter, they are out there.  Scroll down to the 19" http://www.mrmarine.com.au/mr_marine_-_majestic.htm

Joe Hamm

If I read the specs correctly on these TVs you might want to
look elsewhere for a source.  The 19" and 20" sets on that
web page are for PAL / BG - DVB-T which are European and
Australian standards.  I did not see anything about ATSC
there.

Monti

Monument, CO

Whoops, did not read the fine print.
Joe
Re: 19" or 20" LCD TV with built-in DVD with DC power?
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Yahoo Message Number: 87017
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I was wondering if anyone has found a manufacturer who makes a 19" or 20" LCD flat-screen TV with a built-in DVD drive that comes with DC power source (to use in our 2001 26.5' RK).  I know there are mfr out there who make ones with AC power, and I know there are folks that make ones with DC power but a smaller screen size.  But I have not been successful at finding one at that size, with built-in DVD and with DC power source.  I'm not convinced my internet searching skills have exhausted the possibilities, so if anyone has found such an animal, that info would be much appreciated.
Thanks, Walter
Walter; You might also check www.westmarine.com.
Dave
Re: 19" or 20" LCD TV with built-in DVD with DC power?
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Yahoo Message Number: 87018
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I was wondering if anyone has found a manufacturer who makes a 19" or 20" LCD flat-screen TV with a built-in DVD drive that comes with DC power source (to use in our 2001 26.5' RK).  I know there are mfr out there who make ones with AC power, and I know there are folks that make ones with DC power but a smaller screen size.  But I have not been successful at finding one at that size, with built-in DVD and with DC power source.  I'm not convinced my internet searching skills have exhausted the possibilities, so if anyone has found such an animal, that info would be much appreciated.
Thanks, Walter
Walter;

I forgot to mention consumersmarine.com as well.
Dave
Re: 19" or 20" LCD TV with built-in DVD with DC power?
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Yahoo Message Number: 87019
"I was wondering if anyone has found a manufacturer who makes a 19" or 20" LCD flat-screen TV with a built-in DVD drive that comes with DC power source"
 A Google product search on '20" LCD TV DVD 12V' turns up scads. Google is your friend, folks! :-)

Andy Baird http://www.andybaird.com/travels/
Andy Baird
2021 Ford Ranger towing 2019 Airstream 19CB
Previously: 1985 LD Twin/King "Gertie"; 2003 LD Midbath "Skylark"
Re: 19" or 20" LCD TV with built-in DVD with DC power?
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Yahoo Message Number: 87028
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I was wondering if anyone has found a manufacturer who makes a 19" or 20" LCD flat-screen TV with a built-in DVD drive that comes with DC power source (to use in our 2001 26.5' RK).
It may be an oversimplification, but why not just buy a $50 inverter?? Bonehead

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Yahoo Message Number: 87029
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It may be an oversimplification, but why not just buy a $50 inverter??
At best, the inverter runs about 90% efficiency, which means at least 10% of the battery charge you're using is wasted power. However, this is only the obvious issue. The engineering reality is that consumer equipment intended to run from 12V is typically more efficient by design, since battery power is assumed the source. Equipment designed to run from shore power assumes conservation is not a prime issue. All else equal, the DC-powered appliance will run with higher power efficiency than its AC-powered twin.

Steve
2004 FL
2013 Honda Fit
Re: 19" or 20" LCD TV with built-in DVD with DC power?
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Yahoo Message Number: 87031
The pickings are slim for 20" LCD TV/DVD 12V combos.
I found lots of hits on Google but only two that were actually for sale and use in the USA.

20' LCD TV /DVDs  & review Axion
http://salestores.com/axiona03.html>
http://tinyurl.com/2f8zyy> Auriga
http://www.smartmarine.co.nz/20-lcd-tvdvd-combo-unit-p-209.html>

20" Navco LCD TV
http://tinyurl.com/24gcwb> The Navco looks like a good choice but it is missing the DVD player.

Skyworth sell a 19" TV/VCR but isn't much of a brand name.
http://tinyurl.com/2bbh9r>

Jensen's 19" TV is interesting. Jensen has been selling marine electronics for years. They advertise their products as being designed for the RV/Marine world.
I'm keeping this one in mind for a future project.
http://www.boatbandit.com/jensen-19-lcd-tv-6667.aspx>
http://www.asaelectronics.com/detail.html?catid=&pid=220>

There are more LCD 12V TVs in the 15" range.

An inverter might still be a choice. There is a wide range of power usage in LCD sets.
I found a 19" 120 VAC Sharp that uses 45 watts. Other 12 volt 19-20" sets used 60 or more watts.
Use a very efficient inverter and 120 VAC LCD TV and you could have a near even match in power usage compared to a 12 volt set.
Pay attention to the power requirements listed on either the rear of the set or the manufacturers website.

Larry
Larry
2003 23.5' Front Lounge, since new.  Previously 1983 22' Front Lounge.
Tow vehicles  2020 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon, 2001 Jeep Cherokee
Photo Collection: Lazy Daze
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Yahoo Message Number: 87035
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Jensen's 19" TV is interesting. Jensen has been selling marine electronics for years. They advertise their products as being designed for the RV/Marine world.
I'm keeping this one in mind for a future project.
The ASA (Jensen) 12V is now the standard for LD 23.5 and 26.5 coaches (2007).

andy
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Yahoo Message Number: 87036
On Dec 11, 2007, at 3:31 AM, Larry W wrote:

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The pickings are slim for 20" LCD TV/DVD 12V combos.
I found lots of hits on Google but only two that were actually for sale and use in the USA.
This is largely a function of our regulatory environment (not a bad thing generally). Manufacturers that can use an external power supply (wall wart) do not not have to submit their entire receiver for safety testing.  The power supply can be tested alone as long as it is required for use.  As soon as they *say* in the manual or spec sheet the TV can run on 12V direct, the whole thing has to be submitted to U.L. and others for testing.  A proposition contrary to staying cheap and quick to market.
 If you can find a TV (or any other electronic item) that is actually powered by 12-14 volts, chances are very good it will run in an LD just fine.  The size of our battery plants provides a vastly more stable power source than most things the average consumer. might try.
Often times you have to physically check the unit to see what is etched in the plastic to know for sure, then measure the output of the included power brick to know for sure.
 As it says in the manual "use of any other power adapter should never be attempted. It may damage your unit and void your warranty"  ...so basically, you have to know what you are doing, and accept the risk.
 -Dave '06 MB, Indianapolis  (with many unsupported devices connected direct)
19" or 20" LCD TV with built-in DVD with DC power?
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Yahoo Message Number: 87040
Walter,
 I had pretty much the same requirements and ended up with an Audiovox model FPE1907DV that I am very happy with.  Check out my message # 82205 for more information.

Rich Gort 2000 MB - Birch Bay, WA
Former 2000 MB- Now Bullet Crossfire 1800RB trailer pulled by a Chevy 2500HD
Re: 19" or 20" LCD TV with built-in DVD with DC power?
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Yahoo Message Number: 87046
Walter,
 Another avenue for finding the TV you want is to go to the big box stores like Circuit City, Best Buy, even Wal-Mart, and examine the TV's in person.  I did that last year when replacing the TV in our FL, and what I found was that many of the LCD TV's operate on one of various input DC voltages, with a "brick" in the cord to convert from 120 V AC.   The actual input voltage will be on the back of the TV where the plug connects.  That's where you have fun at the stores -  the salesmen weren't thrilled at my insisting on seeing the backs of the TV's.  I did find several whose input voltage was 12 V DC.   Others ran on 17, 19, or 21 V.   And actually even those would be useable in connection with a dc to dc converter, such as sold by Meanwell.  You can see details of my installation at:

www.toad.fobria.com/index.asp?page=LD/lcdtv.htm

Good luck,

Ted H.

'02 FL NE-12

@ Mayport Navy Base, FL
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www.toad.fobria.com
 See where we are: http://map.datastormusers.com/user1.cfm?user=6079 Posted by: "wcmbea" Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:31 pm (PST) I was wondering if anyone has found a manufacturer who makes a 19" or 20" LCD flat-screen TV with a built-in DVD drive that comes with DC power source (to use in our 2001 26.5' RK). I know there are mfr out there who make ones with AC power, and I know there are folks that make ones with DC power but a smaller screen size. But I have not been successful at finding one at that size, with built-in DVD and with DC power source.
Thanks, Walter

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Jenson 12 V TV Price
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Yahoo Message Number: 87048
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Jensen's 19" TV is interesting. Jensen has been selling marine electronics for years. They advertise their products as being designed for the RV/Marine world.
The price for these units is kinda costy.

I'm assuming (I know, I know) this is to cover the extra rugged construction or something.  How important is this?  I know I can pop down to Future Shop or Costco or somewhere and get an equivalent TV and DVD player for less than the Jenson price.

Any thoughts or wise words?

Ginger 26.5' RB "Lazy Lady"
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Yahoo Message Number: 87051
"I'm assuming (I know, I know) this is to cover the extra rugged construction or something. How important is this?"

The following is just speculation, but it's based on many years of observing the consumer electronics market.
 I very much doubt that the 12V TVs and DVD players are ruggedized in any way. This isn't like a marine radio, where the manufacturer makes an effort to waterproof the front panel. Nobody uses these things on deck. Most likely the reason they are expensive is simply that they're labeled "marine," which as any boater can tell you, automatically doubles the price of anything from a toothpick to a length of rope.
(Anybody tried those marine-grade teak toothpicks--the ones that come in a stainless-steel box with silicone O-ring seals? ;-)
 Look at it this way: for years LD installed perfectly ordinary RCA 13" TV/VCR combos *with picture tubes*. Now, if there's anything fragile, it's a thin-walled gallon-sized glass bottle filled with tiny, delicate electronic doodads. But there were no reports of widespread failures of those TVCRs. If those things could stand the pounding of RV life, surely modern flat-panel TVs can.
 If I were shopping, I'd 1) look in stores for a TV with a 12VDC brick, as Ted suggested, or 2) buy any set that suited my budget, and use a small inverter. Yes, the inverter approach is less efficient, but how bad is it that you'll be using, say, 100W instead of 90W? The difference is equivalent to turning on a night light. This just isn't something to worry about, folks. :-)

Andy Baird http://www.andybaird.com/travels/
Andy Baird
2021 Ford Ranger towing 2019 Airstream 19CB
Previously: 1985 LD Twin/King "Gertie"; 2003 LD Midbath "Skylark"
Re: 19" or 20" LCD TV with built-in DVD with DC power?
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Yahoo Message Number: 87057
"Another avenue for finding the TV you want is to go to the big box stores like Circuit City, Best Buy, even Wal-Mart, and examine the TV's in person. I did that last year when replacing the TV in our FL, and what I found was that many of the LCD TV's operate on one of various input DC voltages, with a "brick" in the cord to convert from 120 V AC."

Ted
 I have been prowling the Big Box stores for several months doing what you suggest and I have not found any 12-volt 19" or 20" LCD sets, much less any with DVD players. What I have found are 12-volt 15" LCD TVs.
 The two or three  19-20" 12 VDC sets are are sold for marine use and cost more than comparable 120 VAC sets.
The Jensen set is nice but for a $150 less, I can buy a 19' 120 VAC Sharp Aquos that uses 45-watts compared to the Jensen's 60-watts.
The bottom line is that energy use is about the same, figuring the inverter's power usage. Six of one, a half dozen of another.

Larry
Larry
2003 23.5' Front Lounge, since new.  Previously 1983 22' Front Lounge.
Tow vehicles  2020 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon, 2001 Jeep Cherokee
Photo Collection: Lazy Daze
 
Re: 19" or 20" LCD TV with built-in DVD with DC power?
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Yahoo Message Number: 87168
Thanks to all who responded to my request for information on the availability of DC powered LCD/DVD TVs.  Your collective wisdom has given me valuable information, not to mention inspiration.  I won't be purchasing a unit until after Christmas, when the prices are likely to drop - but I look forward to doing the upgrade based to a great degree on your experiences and insights.  This LD group is a blessing.
Best wishes for the Holidays to one and all.

Walter