Oil choices February 16, 2005, 10:10:18 am Yahoo Message Number: 50840This link was posted in an rv.net forum: http://www.lincolnsonline.com/article105.htmlComments from the "oil gurus" on the board?Joan
Re: Oil choices Reply #1 – February 16, 2005, 03:23:56 pm Yahoo Message Number: 50856Quote This link was posted in an rv.net forum: http://www.lincolnsonline.com/article105.htmlComments from the "oil gurus" on the board?Joan What an interesting article. Thank you. Just finished changing the oil/filter a few minutes ago in anticpation of an extended trip. Used the Mobile One 0w-20. That's what Mobile One recommends for use in 5w-20 applications.Ed
Re: Oil choices Reply #2 – February 16, 2005, 04:35:11 pm Yahoo Message Number: 50858Quote This link was posted in an rv.net forum: http://www.lincolnsonline.com/article105.htmlComments from the "oil gurus" on the board?Joan Great article. I think it's an article everyone should read. I agree with all that he said. I've preached about a similar break-in procedure for years. What he said about Castrol I heard about in the late 80's from a guy who built racing engines. He told me to stay away from it, and I did.Thanks for posting that.-Victor (long time user of Mobil 1)
Re: Oil choices Reply #3 – February 18, 2005, 11:28:44 am Yahoo Message Number: 50901Quote This link was posted in an rv.net forum: http://www.lincolnsonline.com/article105.html Comments from the "oil gurus" on the board? Joan Hi Joan. Thanks for the link to the interesting article. The author sounds very qualified to write about engine lubrication, but... I'm a little skeptical about accepting this person's opinion in their entirety.There are times when an authority figure states their facts and it all makes good sense to me; then they make a comment that just shoots their credibilty in my eyes. The author of that piece made the claim that by switching to Mobil 1 oil their 1971 Mustang with a 429 engine went from 10-11 MPG up to 17-18 MPG. I just don't buy that. I hate to tell you all what I had to sell to purchase a new Lazy Daze. I can tell you that his/her original claim that their Mustang got 10-11 MPG is probably correct; I had a similar car that got similar mileage. I would need to check the arithmatic that was used to believe this person's gas mileage went up 70%! I just don't believe it possible for that car to get that kind of mileage unless they are going downhill with a 60mph tailwind and the transmission in nuetral and the engine just idling.:-OSomeone also used that article to state a negative view of Castrol motor oil, unfairly in my opinion. I'm not disputing the fact that Mobil 1 is an excellent product, nor am I inferring the other information in that piece is incorrect in anyway. Maybe its correct; maybe it isn't.If changing to Mobil 1 would allow the auto industry to increase their fuel efficency as much as the author alleges their mileage increased by using Mobil 1, I'm pretty sure they would all make the change. They (the auto industry) work hard and spend a lot of money for fractions of a percent improvement in mileage.Just my $.02 and probably worth that much too.;-)Steve K.
Re: Oil choices Reply #4 – February 18, 2005, 12:54:07 pm Yahoo Message Number: 50911This link was posted in an rv.net forum: http://www.lincolnsonline.com/article105.html Comments from the "oil gurus" on the board?nukamper2000 wrote: (snipped)"The author sounds very qualified to write about engine lubrication, but... I'm a little skeptical about accepting this person's opinion in their entirety. There are times when an authority figure states their facts and it all makes good sense to me; then they make a comment that just shoots their credibilty in my eyes. The author of that piece made the claim that by switching to Mobil 1 oil their 1971 Mustang with a 429 engine went from 10-11 MPG up to 17-18 MPG. I just don't buy that. ....> Someone also used that article to state a negative view of Castrol motor oil, unfairly in my opinion. I'm not disputing the fact that Mobil 1 is an excellent product, nor am I inferring the other information in that piece is incorrect in anyway. Maybe its correct; maybe it isn't." Thanks for the comments, Steve. I did a double-take at the supposed mileage increase, too; maybe any magic increase is Mustang- specific! ;-)Much of the information in the article re: oil weights, viscosity, and "dino vs. synthetic", is consistent with what I've read from other sources, but this doesn't *necessarily* mean anything; they all might just be "swapping ignorance"! I don't have enough "oil" background or knowledge to separate gospel from smoke-blowing on many of the questions, but I think do that dialogue and continuing research is very important -- I do know that bad oil choices *will* affect engine longevity. I've always believed that the late 60s/early 70s slogan of "Question Authority" had a lot of merit!Joan
Re: Oil choices Reply #5 – February 18, 2005, 01:51:12 pm Yahoo Message Number: 50914I spent several hours chasing down Mobil 1 5W-20. AutoZone carries it and is the only source I've found so far.I checked with Ford to see if using another weight, such as 0W-30 was okay. They don't recommend it, or at least the tech I talked to didn't. He said they were using 5W-20 semi-synthetic but he thought Ford would be switching to a full synthetic in the future. I suspect Mobile 1 5W-20 will become more readily available soon. If anyone knows of other places to buy it, especially on-line, please post info.bumper
Re: Oil choices Reply #6 – February 18, 2005, 02:22:24 pm Yahoo Message Number: 50915QuoteI spent several hours chasing down Mobil 1 5W-20. AutoZone carries it and is the only source I've found so far.I checked with Ford to see if using another weight, such as 0W-30 was okay. They don't recommend it, or at least the tech I talked to didn't. He said they were using 5W-20 semi-synthetic but he thoughtFor what it's worth.The Mobil One 0W-20 container says:"Mobil 1 0W-20 provides outstanding fuel economy and engine protection for vehicles where a 5W-20 or 0W-20 engine oil is recommended. Meets the performance requirements of Ford specification WSS-M2C153-H and Honda fill requirements for 5W-20"... "Mobil 1 is recommended for the following applications...Ford/Lincoln/Mercury Most 2001 forward"... "Mobil 1 0W-20 is designed specifically where a 5W-20 or 0W-20 engine oil is recommended by the vehicle manufacturer"...Fully agree with questioning the agressive gas mileage claims in the referenced article. My LD gets the same 9+- mpg now as it did when I used the dino. oil.Ed
Re: Oil choices Reply #7 – February 18, 2005, 04:10:52 pm Yahoo Message Number: 50916QuoteI suspect Mobile 1 5W-20 will become more readily available soon. If anyone knows of other places to buy it, especially on-line, please post info.bumper The other day I was at my nearest WalMart and was amazed at how inexpensively they were selling Mobil 1. I can't remember the price but it was in one gallon containers and was much less pricey than what I pay at Costco. I believe they had both 5-20 and 10-30. It was really a great price (regular, not sale) and I will buy it there from now on.Tom Riley
Re: Oil choices Reply #8 – February 18, 2005, 08:34:35 pm Yahoo Message Number: 50925QuoteThe other day I was at my nearest WalMart and was amazed at how inexpensively they were selling Mobil 1. I can't remember the price but it was in one gallon containers and was much less pricey than what I pay at Costco. I believe they had both 5-20 and 10-30. It was really a great price (regular, not sale) and I will buy it there from now on.Tom Riley Tom,Interesting. I called my "local" WalMart (Carson City, NV), they said they had the regular Mobil, not synthetic, in 5W-20, but not Mobile 1 5W-20. I did not ask them if they had Mobil ! 0W-20.Are you sure it was Mobil 1 5W-20? If so, I wonder if I just got a misiformed employee, though he did go to check, or if not all WalMarts carry it???bumper
Re: Oil choices Reply #9 – February 18, 2005, 10:29:08 pm Yahoo Message Number: 50927Quote Are you sure it was Mobil 1 5W-20? If so, I wonder if I just got a misiformed employee, though he did go to check, or if not all WalMarts carry it???bumper Bumper, You scared me! I thought that once again I had screwed up. Figured that I must have imagined something that I really wanted to see. Nope, I just called my WalMart (60 miles away in Ukiah, CA) and asked the auto clerk to double check for me. It is Mobil 1, in one gallon bottles at $20.17. They have 5W-20 and 10W-30. Not quite as inexpensive as I thought but still less than what I paid at Costco ($6 something a quart, I believe). Maybe it is that not all WalMarts carry it???Tom Riley
Re: Oil choices Reply #10 – February 18, 2005, 10:58:58 pm Yahoo Message Number: 50931QuoteI just called my WalMart (60 miles away in Ukiah, CA) and asked the auto clerk to double check for me. It is Mobil 1, in one gallon bottles at $20.17. They have 5W-20 and 10W-30. Not quite as inexpensive as I thought but still less than what I paid at Costco ($6 Quotesomething a quart, I believe). Maybe it is that not all WalMarts carry it???Tom Riley Tom,Unless it's for tools, or something I really need at a hardware store - - I hate shopping! *But* I'm inspired!! Tomorrow I sally forth to my local WalMart (24 miles distant) to search and acquire the M1 5W20. I shall advise (g).thanks,bumper
Re: Oil choices Reply #11 – February 18, 2005, 11:10:19 pm Yahoo Message Number: 50932QuoteThe other day I was at my nearest WalMart and was amazed at how inexpensively they were selling Mobil 1. I can't remember the price but it was in one gallon containers and was much less pricey than what I pay at Costco. I believe they had both 5-20 and 10-30. It was really a great price (regular, not sale) and I will buy it there from now on. Tom Riley My oil change routine is to go by WalMart and buy a 5 quart container of Mobil 1 5W30. The local WalMart doesn't carry Mobil 1 filters, so I have to go to a auto parts store to get the filter and buy another quart of oil.Love those 5 quart jugs. They make filling faster and you have a good container to put your old oil. My 2001 V10 calls for 5W20. I started out with 5W20, but switched to 5W30. The engine warranty is over, so it's my call at this point. The five quart containers are too much of a hassle when changing the oil on my family's Toyota and two Hondas. Single quart bottles are preferred. I think that is the Walmart angle. They are trying to get you to buy too much oil. Most people aren't trying to feed a V10.
Re: Oil choices Reply #12 – February 19, 2005, 08:05:22 am Yahoo Message Number: 50936*But* I'm inspired!! Tomorrow I sally Quoteforth to my local WalMart (24 miles distant) to search and acquire the M1 5W20. I shall advise (g). Bumper,Well, I hope they have it. Remember, on the phone, your's said they didn't. What Gary(gchristi)says in message 50932 clears something up for me. I believe that I was looking at a 5 quart container, not a gallon. That would make the $20.17 price excellent, much closer to what I originally believed. When I called the store last night, the clerk didn't read the small print, just checked product name and price.Best of luck! Hope your's has it.Tom Riley '04 26 RB
Re: [Life With A Lazy Daze RV] Re: Oil choices Reply #13 – February 19, 2005, 10:51:32 am Yahoo Message Number: 50943Hi Folks If anyone goes from 9mpg to 14mpg just by changing oil Please let us know. On our trip from El Paso, Texas we got 9mpg when we got home first thing was to change the oil put in Motorcraft 5w20 which is a synthetic blend (Fords answer to Mobil 1 I think) took off for ABQ and Quartzsite on that trip we got 9mpg. John Morgan will love this story, in 1949 or so there was a guy flying around the country side in a J3 cub he would land give his spiel then he would drain the oil out of is cub take off fly around the pattern , land take a bow and all the orders for his additive pour back in the oil he had drained out and take off for the next air show. Slight of hand trick? probubly. Robert X 7AC driver -.===== Robert & Roberta, Rozie and the Horney Toad, SKP#702 Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
Re: Oil choices...Now oil change intervals Reply #14 – February 19, 2005, 12:10:51 pm Yahoo Message Number: 50946QuoteThanks for the comments, Steve. I did a double-take at the supposed mileage increase, too; maybe any magic increase is Mustang-Quotespecific! ;-)I've always believed that the late 60s/early 70s slogan of "Question Authority" had a lot of merit!QuoteJoan Me too Joan! Now about oil change intervals; those of you who have made the switch to synthetic, at what interval are you changing your oil? I have tried to change by 3500 miles while using Ford's synthetic blend 5w20 but there are times that I have reluctantly gotten close to the 5000 mile mark before being able to change the oil.A word to the wise,I bought one of those Fram Sure-drain gadgets to make changing oil on the road easier. If you haven't seen one of these, it utilizes a drain plug with a drain valve built in; when you thread on a drain hose, it opens the valve and you use the hose as a spout to drain the oil directly into a jug or drain pan, with supposedly less mess. It does work as claimed, but there are a couple of downsides to this gadget. One downside is that draining the oil takes a long time since it drains through a much smaller openning. Another drawback is that a little of the old oil remains in the oil pan; not much, perhaps an ounce or so. And even though it makes draining the oil less messy, removing the oil filter is still a messy deal on the road. I've tried to hold a juice carton over the filter as it starts to drain oil. One word of caution though: If you install one of these Sure-drains, you will have a problem getting places like Wal-Mart to ever change the oil for you. Even though I bought this "tool" at Wal-Mart, when I tried to get an oil change at one of their stores, the manager said "Sorry, we are not allowed to touch anything other than factory installed drain plugs. Bottom line, I'm not sure I'm going to leave it in. Steve K. [what's the strangest place you ever changed your oil? was anybody watching? ;-)]
Re: Oil choices...Now oil change intervals Reply #15 – February 19, 2005, 02:00:17 pm Yahoo Message Number: 50951We have had Amsoil 5-20 in our 2001 since 1000 miles. We try to change the oil every 4000 miles but have stretched it once as far as 7000. We have also just changed the filter a couple times when we didn't have enough oil with us to do a complete change, the oil still looks good at all these intervals. My resident oil changer says she likes the oil catch pan she has, it has a lid for the catch area on top and a spigot with lid for pouring the old oil back into the empties from the new oil. It's plastic, small and light and easy to store. She got hers from a friend but thinks she's seen them at Napa parts stores. Not real odd but probably the strangest place she's changed the oil is the RV park (a big field of dead grass behind a motel) in San Miguel de Allende. Yes, there were several locals watching probably because a woman changing oil is a pretty rare sight there.Jonna, 2001 RB Tortuga still on the beach in Punta Perula, Jalisco
Re: Oil choices Reply #16 – February 19, 2005, 09:12:33 pm Yahoo Message Number: 50963Quote Best of luck! Hope your's has it.Tom Riley '04 26 RB Tom and all, Well, not all WalMarts are created equal . . . sigh. The Carson City WM doesn't have Mobil 1 5W-20 in any size container. I suspect that they will someday soon as demand for this oil grows.all the best,bumper
Re: Oil choices Reply #17 – February 19, 2005, 09:57:15 pm Yahoo Message Number: 50967QuoteWell, not all WalMarts are created equal . . . sigh. The Carson City WM doesn't have Mobil 1 5W-20 in any size container. I suspect that they will someday soon as demand for this oil grows. Sorry, Bumper. Guess that's another reason to take a little trip.Regards,Tom Riley '04 26 RB
[Life With A Lazy Daze RV] Re: Oil choices Reply #18 – February 19, 2005, 10:33:00 pm Yahoo Message Number: 50968................................................. JohnQuoteMorgan will love this story, in 1949 or so there was a guy flying around the country side in a J3 cub he would land give his spiel then he would drain the oil out of is cub take off fly around the pattern , land take a bow and all the orders for his additive pour back in the oil he had drained out and take off for the next air show. Slight of hand trick? probubly. Robert X 7AC driver ========================================================= Ha, sounds like the Slick 50 of the 1970's! I bought it, it was FAA tso'ed as I remember. I put it in my 172 I had at the time. Dave
Re: RV Antifreeze / was Oil choices Reply #19 – February 21, 2005, 12:15:42 am Yahoo Message Number: 51015[snip] QuoteWell, not all WalMarts are created equal . . . sigh. [snip] bumper No, WalMarts are not created equal. When we got word that the temperature was going to drop below freezing for over 48 hours (back in Dec.?) We blew out the lines in the LD and I hurried to the local camping supply store to get some RV antifreeze, for the traps and toilet bowl. They didn't carry it! They suggested WalMart. I headed over there, only to find they don't routinely stock it, either. Fortunately, someone had ordered a case of it, and never showed up to pick it up, so they sold me a couple of gallons. Now, granted, we live 80 miles from the TX Gulf Coast, but jeez...no RV antifreeze?! I was told that if I headed north, toward Dallas (4 hours up the road), most WalMarts would have it. I guess they can order items, like Mobil 1, independently.Sharon N.
Re: RV Antifreeze / was Oil choices Reply #20 – February 21, 2005, 12:52:21 am Yahoo Message Number: 51016We blew out the lines in the LD and I hurried to the local Quotecamping supply store to get some RV antifreeze, for the traps and toilet bowl. .Sharon N. Sharon, Why not blow out the traps too? I use a small Coleman air compressor for this (bought at WalMart). 12 volts, it has both regular high pressure and low pressure high volume setting. I use the high volume, cut out a square of foam rubber with a hole in the center to seal the air hose on the sink and shower drains. Works well. The small amount of water remaining in the traps won't hurt anything even if it freezes. Toilet bowl, just turn off the pump and empty it, there is no trap.bumper "Yonder" Minden NV
Re: RV Antifreeze / was Oil choices Reply #21 – February 21, 2005, 01:18:21 am Yahoo Message Number: 51018Quote We blew out the lines in the LD and I hurried to the local camping supply store to get some RV antifreeze, for the traps and toilet bowl. > >QuoteSharon N.Sharon,Why not blow out the traps too? [snip] bumper "Yonder" Minden NV bumper, we did blow out the traps. The RV antifreeze was extra "insurance" ;^) We believe in insurance.Sharon N.
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