2005 Blue Upholstery January 13, 2005, 10:10:05 pm Yahoo Message Number: 49321I placed pictures of the 2005 blue fabric in the Photos section under album name "2005 Blue Fabric". It is the fabric that is being used in current orders, and it has not changed from last year. Foy
Re: 2005 Blue Upholstery Reply #1 – January 14, 2005, 12:16:59 pm Yahoo Message Number: 49333Quote I placed pictures of the 2005 blue fabric in the Photos section under album name "2005 Blue Fabric". Well, IMHO, the blue fabric is not attractive at all. And, blues and greens are my favorite colors, too. It just looks very cold and chilly and gray. (Kinda like the weather lately!) I think there could have been some better choices for blue.(Get a woman in there, fellas!)Grins,Denise Shook1988 26'MB
2005 Upholstery Reply #2 – January 15, 2005, 11:49:13 pm Yahoo Message Number: 49438Thought I would share some photos we took today on our visit to the factory. We saw the new upholstery and it's not as bad as I thought. I posted them in the photo section under 2005 Green upholstery..hopefully I did it correctly and you can view them. The brown color that is already posted here is NOT my favorite choice and I mentioned that to Ed (by the way he is very aware of this websites dislike for the new upholstery colors and was not too thrilled.) I wish I could have taken photos of the full board of all the new colors so everyone could see them, however, my digital camera batteries died and I forgot to bring extras The valance picture shows the brown and plum choice which also isn't too bad. Ed spend a lot of time with us and was very friendly and patient and gave us a tour of the production area (very exciting to see up close.)I think there was another couple there when we arrived and they mentioned they only had one more month to wait for their new LD...anyone here???Wannabee Linda
Re: 2005 Upholstery Reply #3 – January 16, 2005, 07:08:30 am Yahoo Message Number: 49444Hi Linda, thanks so much for posting these photos. We wannabe's savor every tidbit that's thrown our way! Personally, I find the Jackson Pollock style fabrics at least as offensive as the brown retro stuff. Surely with all the technical advances
Re: 2005 Upholstery Reply #4 – January 16, 2005, 09:17:34 am Yahoo Message Number: 49447wrote: We saw the new upholstery and it's not as bad as I thought. I posted them in the photo section under 2005 Green upholstery..From your photos (the fabrics might look a little different up close), the 2005 "green" upholstery fabric looks the same as in my 2003, and the "blue" also looks very similar, if not the same, as what I've seen in model years from 2002 on. Maybe LD changed just the "brown" option?Joan
Re: 2005 Upholstery Reply #5 – January 16, 2005, 11:46:19 am Yahoo Message Number: 49457Quote Thought I would share some photos we took today on our visit to the factory. We saw the new upholstery and it's not as bad as I thought. I posted them in the photo section under 2005 Green upholstery..hopefully I did it correctly and you can view them. The brown color that is already posted here is NOT my favorite choice and I mentioned that to Ed (by the way he is very aware of this Quotewebsites dislike for the new upholstery colors and was not too thrilled.) Linda, thanks for posting the pics. From your pictures and those that were in the 2003 interior photo colors, it appears the "green" fabric is the same as it was from the start of the 2003 model year. I'm certain the blue is also the same. Perhaps they are "testing the waters" with the new brown upholstery. If Ed is not too thrilled by the group's response, perhaps that sheds some light on who made THAT decision.Steve K.
Re: 2005 Upholstery Reply #6 – January 16, 2005, 02:33:44 pm Yahoo Message Number: 49465Quote wrote: We saw the new upholstery and it's not as bad as I thought. I posted them in the photo section under 2005 Green upholstery.."...the 2005 "green" upholstery fabric looks the same as in my 2003...", "if not the same, as what I've seen in model years from 2002 on. Maybe LD changed justQuotethe "brown" option?"Joan I agree with you, Joan. The fabric that is currently being described as "Green" is more properly described by the factory as "Teal-Brown Print". That is what I ordered on my 2004 and that is exactly what was provided as stated in my order invoice. I even printed the "Green" photo from the 'Photos' option, carried it out to Lazy Bones and held it up against the couch. Bingo, same old same old.Now on the same page!Steve S. Lazy Bones
Re: 2005 Upholstery - Looks the same as my 2004 Ruby Reply #7 – January 16, 2005, 06:07:22 pm Yahoo Message Number: 49469Quote wrote: We saw the new upholstery and it's not as bad as I thought. I posted them in the photo section under 2005 Green upholstery.."...the 2005 "green" upholstery fabric looks the same as in my 2003...", "if not the same, as what I've seen in model years from 2002 on. Maybe LD changed just the "brown" option?"JoanI agree with you, Joan. The fabric that is currently being described as "Green" is more properly described by the factory as "Teal- Brown Print". That is what I ordered on my 2004 and that is exactly what was provided as stated in my order invoice. I even printed the "Green" photo from the 'Photos' option, carried it out to Lazy Bones and held it up against the couch. Bingo, same old same old.Now on the same page!Steve S. Lazy Bones Ditto - this looks just like our Brown-Plum in Ruby. We actually like the look and it was the only interior scheme that we liked so were pretty happy it was a good combo with a red/white exterior.DaveRuby the red 04 RK
2005 Upholstery Reply #8 – January 16, 2005, 06:49:37 pm Yahoo Message Number: 49471I've been reading the posts the past few weeks about the 2005 upholstery, almost universally negative I believe. My wife and I had a chance to see it in person during a visit to the factory in early December. We liked the new "retro" patterns. Very much, actually. Fifties "modern" has always appealed to us and is actually quite trendy right now among the hipsters of the world. Since the LD dates from that era and is sort of a retro design maybe there's a certain logic to this choice on the part of the factory. It certainly strikes us as better that the faux riche schemes in most modern motorhomes. My recollection is that there are three upholstery colors: blue, teal (green) and brown. The blue is unchanged from the past couple of years, but I believe both the teal and brown for 2005 are in the new "retro" pattern. I think the green pattern recently posted is the 2003/4 fabric, but I could be wrong. For any wannabes trying to figure this out, ask the factory to send you samples and go the factory and make up your own mind. Between the upholstery choices (three), the carpet choices (three I believe) and the valance choices (several, which can be combined in a "two tone" look or done in a single monotone color), and with various choices also possible for the cab seats and the bunk, I don't see why anyone should come away with an unacceptable color scheme. I personally believe LD has done a great job of updating the interiors over the last few years. We bought a silver/grey LD and selected the "brown" interior color scheme, but didn't like the way the factory had executed that scheme on the showroom floor. My wife, who's much better with colors than I am, gave this whole issue a lot of thought before settling on the brown upholstery, tan carpet and a single dark brown color for the valances. She also insisted on dark brown trim for the cab seats (instead of tan) and selected tan for the overhead bunk. The factory was very cooperative about all this and were complimentary of how it turned out. We worked with the materials they offered but combined them in our own way and got a coach we're very happy with. We'd also be happy to work with either of the two new "retro" fabrics and believe we'd have something very attractive when we finished. In all fairness to LD, after being used and lived in for a couple of years, most coaches bear little resemblence to what came off the showroom floor. We may take issue with the factory's basic choices, but are we all prepared to put our various decorating skills (or lack thereof) up to public scrutiny? Imagine how the LD staff must feel when they see what some of us have done to their handiwork. There is much more to this product than the upholstery. It's built by a small family business trying keep up with rapidly evolving motorhome technology and the demands of an increasingly sophisticated and opinionated group of customers. I think they do a great job and find their choices in all respects to vary from good to excellent. Everyone who walks into our coach says, "Wow, this is nice," despite the fact that there were many complaints on this list when they switched to the fabric we selected from in 2003. Work with LD and they will work with you and you'll be happy, very happy, with the result. And, FWIW, I think they do read this list (wouldn't you?) and they are human beings, not GM or Ford, with feelings just like you and me. I don't see the advantage in insulting them. Finally, I was skeptical about some of the advice that Ed and others at the factory offered when we were purchasing our coach. But after a couple of years of ownership I'd have to say most of it turned out to be sage advice. Maybe they actually know what they're doing . . .Terry2003 26.5'RB Gardnerville, NV
Re: 2005 Upholstery Reply #9 – January 16, 2005, 07:20:14 pm Yahoo Message Number: 49472You make some good points Terry. We just received the new samples
Re: 2005 Upholstery Reply #10 – January 16, 2005, 07:20:55 pm Yahoo Message Number: 49473I could not agree more. I don't think the discussion here has yet identified the LD target demographic, albeit there be some highly qualified marketers/positioners on this list. When I designed websites I used to tell my client I was not trying to design a website for them that would w
Re: 2005 Upholstery Reply #11 – January 16, 2005, 07:27:19 pm Yahoo Message Number: 49474Terry, I'm sure Lazy Daze will be glad to hear that out of forty posts on the subject, one was favorable. ;-) Seriously, nobody here is going to tell you that you shouldn't like the upholstery--that's a personal matter. And people here are generally quite careful not to insult the Newtons, since we all know what a debt we owe them for doggedly sticking to their principles when it comes to quality. But saying that the overwhelming majority of us (97.5% of those expressing an opinion) hate the new fabric pattern is not an insult--it's a simple, factual statement of our preferences. There's no point in pretending we like it. That would not tactful; it would simply be dishonest. I recently compiled the relevant messages as a text file, and was struck by how many people said this would negatively effect their decision to buy a Lazy Daze. It certainly has confirmed my decision to stick with my twenty-year-old Gertie rather than buy a new LD. As many have said, why buy a rig that you'll immediately have to spend the money to reupholster? Sellers must sooner or later listen to buyers if they want to remain in business, and this group has made its preferences quite clear. We're not slamming the Newtons; we're simply saying "We strongly dislike this fabric." That's something they need to know.Andy Baird
Re: 2005 Upholstery Reply #12 – January 16, 2005, 07:57:13 pm Yahoo Message Number: 49477Surely the Newtons recognize a lefthanded compliment when they see one -- this is the most serious complaint the board has ever registered! (Well, perhaps there's something else, I'm only halfway through the archives.) The current fabrics don't look like '50s to me; the teal and blue prints look like the '80s. BTW, most of the fabrics I saw at the Boston RV show today were just as unappealing.Joanne LD wannabe Wondering how many yards I'll need
Re: 2005 Upholstery Reply #13 – January 16, 2005, 10:01:14 pm Yahoo Message Number: 49482It seems that every change in upholstery causes a lot of complaints, I've actually never seen any upholstery in any RV that I thought, "Gee, I'd go out and buy that". It's tough to please everyone so maybe they just try to please themselves.I've been quiet about the new brown pattern posted because I didn't think it was as bad as others did. In my mind, at least it isn't the bland, mushy look of the blue and green since about 2002. Really, those are misnomers as both those fabrics just look beige to me. My preferences are for bright, strong color and pattern so I never liked the look of the newer fabrics (2002 - 2004) - too blah/beige. I also think they look very 80's - not my favorite design decade. It's tough to come out and disagree with such strong negative posts on something like this, I know I decided originally to just skip it. If the brown print were any color but brown I'd probably like it a lot more. Also, as was mentioned before, a lot of the look of your LD will be in how you combine the options. The print fabric can be a very small part of the total if that is the way you want it. Most of us change the interior of our rigs over time, there are many ways to cover or show the parts you want. Also, I've yet to meet RVers who have dogs that don't have some kind of throw over part of the upholstery, pick the part you are less fond of and find something you like better to put over it.Jonna, an early boomer if that makes a difference
Re: 2005 Upholstery- Positive view Reply #14 – January 17, 2005, 12:31:38 am Yahoo Message Number: 49487After ten years of LD ownership, we can say that we still do not love the look of the fabrics but truly appreciate that LD uses them. No other style of pattern is going to hide the dirt and stains that accumulate through day-to-day living. Instead of noticing individual stains, I just see a gradual darkening of the interior. Fabric protector sprays are great, we use them, but they do not repel everything, you will eventually get stains and dirt buildup. LD are built to be used often and to hold up for many years, hiding life's dirt and stains is part of the design. If you have an ultra-clean life style, maybe you will be able to keep a lighter fabric stain free but we would never be able to do it. Everywhere we go, we find a new kind of dirt. In the winter, it's even worse with te addition of rain, mud and snow. Our LD, like most LDs, has been the site of many a dinner and/or evening of drinking wine, visiting, playing board games, watching videos, you name it. With all this activity, food and drink gets spilled routinely. It's going to happen and it should happen, it means that you are using your LD for its designed purpose of helping you enjoy life, not worrying about it. LD has even provided camouflaged fabrics to help out. Thanks LD. Before we ordered our 2003 LD, my wife was not pleased with the color selection and she even speculated that the buyer of the fabrics must be colorblind. Now, she feels completely different about. She says she doesn't notice it anymore. There are many more important things to worry about such as where are we going next and what are we going to eat? The fabrics appear to be most distasteful to those who are in the process of ordering, they become less important as time passes.Once you finally have your LD, you can do your own decorating and change the look of the interior to suit your own taste. If at that point the fabrics still make your skin craw, then start sewing. Give it a chance before changing things; you might begin to understand LD's philosophy.Larry
Re: 2005 Upholstery Reply #15 – January 17, 2005, 07:34:39 am Yahoo Message Number: 49490"It's tough to come out and disagree with such strong negative posts on something like this" Don't feel that that, Jonna--if there are people who like the new fabrics, the Newtons need to know as well. "Now if we could put some valve stems in the upholstery, we might have something there. Then I could drive to Ridgecrest and get my free donuts while Chuck checks the pressure in my couch!" LOL! ;-) Yes, we've probably aired this subject out pretty thoroughly, and it's not a bad idea to move on.Andy Baird
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