LD or Born Free February 23, 2001, 10:59:53 am Yahoo Message Number: 2246You do know that the Born Free product is only rated for vacations in Spring, Summer & Fall? The LD is rated as a snow bird. We have stayed at high altitude locations, Virginia City Nevada, for instance in below freezing weather and we were very comfortable and nothing froze in the LD. Have you read all the messages on this board? I realize this takes a lotta time and some of the messages are garbage, like "I heard this or somebody sed this or that", It's a little like picking fly shit out of the pepper, but that fly shit is really little gold nuggets of info. In many of them you will notice the recommendation to join the RV Consumer Group. Their RV evaluation book is brutally honest. It's the best $100.00 I ever spent http://www.rvcg.org but I think they're redoing the site presently. The Lazy Daze gets the highest ratings.
LD or Born Free Reply #1 – February 23, 2001, 11:41:15 am Yahoo Message Number: 2248Born Free was our second choice after the LD which we ordered earlier this month in Montclair. Born Free is just 2 hours north of our home in the Des Moines area but we flew to Ontario, CA to buy a Lazy Daze instead of the Born Free. The RV Consumer Group at http://www.rv.org (correction and the site is up and running there) was the best $100 we ever spent as well and was the main reason for our selection of LD. We will become active in the group after we take delivery of our LD this fall since they need many volunteers.The guide ratings for the LDs are higher than those for the Born Free (4 stars) but not that much higher. The LD is the only 5 star rated class C in our ratings book. The thing that convinced us that LD is the way to go is that many things that Born Free calls options, LD has as standard equipment. The Born Free would have been significantly more cost for a lesser rig. The guide also rates the LD for lower temperature use than they rate the Born Free, fly s--t notwithstanding, Kermit!
LD or Born Free Reply #2 – February 23, 2001, 11:41:15 am Yahoo Message Number: 2249Born Free was our second choice after the LD which we ordered earlier this month in Montclair. Born Free is just 2 hours north of our home in the Des Moines area but we flew to Ontario, CA to buy a Lazy Daze instead of the Born Free. The RV Consumer Group at http://www.rv.org (correction and the site is up and running there) was the best $100 we ever spent as well and was the main reason for our selection of LD. We will become active in the group after we take delivery of our LD this fall since they need many volunteers.The guide ratings for the LDs are higher than those for the Born Free (4 stars) but not that much higher. The LD is the only 5 star rated class C in our ratings book. The thing that convinced us that LD is the way to go is that many things that Born Free calls options, LD has as standard equipment. The Born Free would have been significantly more cost for a lesser rig. The guide also rates the LD for lower temperature use than they rate the Born Free, fly s--t notwithstanding, Kermit!
LD or Born Free Reply #3 – February 23, 2001, 05:42:50 pm Yahoo Message Number: 2253Just couldn't resist replying to your message about Born Free and Lazy Daze, as we last owned the former and now own the latter. (Hey, it sounded good when I was writing it!)Our Born Free did just fine at night time temperatures down to 15 degrees and nothing froze. All the water lines are in the heated part of the coach. The furnace is over capacity for the interior volume and does a good job of keeping the interior at the temperature set on the thermostat. The Ozite covered ceiling and walls are not cold to the touch. Our Born Free was not uncomfortable in cold weather with one excepton - the uncarpeted floor area was darn cold.Our Lazy Daze, even though having a larger interior volume, is more comfortable in cold weather than was our Born Free. The coach insulation is noticeably more effective. It is very noticeable that the floor is warmer - perhaps because our Born Free had no floor insulation. So far, we have only used our Lazy Daze at outside night time temperatures down to 25 degrees and found it very comfortable. While we do not yet have it completely set up for cold nights as described in the user manual, we did find that the insulated escape hatch cover made a noticeable difference. We also found that setting the thermostat at 65 degrees, turning on the air conditioner heat strip and pulling shut the overhead cab curtains essentially held the inside temperature at about 65 degrees. The furnace fan only came on a couple of times on that 26 degree night. We have yet to get the insulated hatch pads and a heavy blanket to shut off the cab area for cold nights. If we do so before this winter is over, I'll list our opinion on their effectiveness on this BB.We can confirm the user manual comments to the effect that the Ford cab is noticeable source of "cold" winter night time air (That's true for either coach, especially if the heater / air conditioning vents are not closed before shutting down the engine). I insulated the Ford cab floor on our Born Free, which reduced summer floor heating on the road considerably but helped only a little bit on winter nights. We'll wait until this summer to see how warm the Lazy Daze cab floor gets. Our Corgi is geting old and likes a warm place to sleep, so warm is OK. If she moves off the area, I'll add some heat shielding or under floor cab insulation. (No jokes about the dog test, please.)As usual, 100 words when 10 should have been enough.All the Best, Don McG
LD or Born Free Reply #4 – February 23, 2001, 06:23:07 pm Yahoo Message Number: 2255For a real shocker, have a look at the options list for Country Coach (countrycoach.com). We used to see them at SoCal RV shows, and we visited their plant in Oregon. (They ran us andthe 22' Lazy Daze off of the visitors' camping pad and refused to show us the plant without an order committment.)They charge extra for a second house battery --in diesel pushers that cost from just below $200,000 to $3/4-Million.bob phillips
LD or Born Free Reply #5 – February 23, 2001, 06:23:07 pm Yahoo Message Number: 2256For a real shocker, have a look at the options list for Country Coach (countrycoach.com). We used to see them at SoCal RV shows, and we visited their plant in Oregon. (They ran us andthe 22' Lazy Daze off of the visitors' camping pad and refused to show us the plant without an order committment.)They charge extra for a second house battery --in diesel pushers that cost from just below $200,000 to $3/4-Million.bob phillips
LD or Born Free Reply #6 – February 23, 2001, 06:23:07 pm Yahoo Message Number: 2257For a real shocker, have a look at the options list for Country Coach (countrycoach.com). We used to see them at SoCal RV shows, and we visited their plant in Oregon. (They ran us andthe 22' Lazy Daze off of the visitors' camping pad and refused to show us the plant without an order committment.)They charge extra for a second house battery --in diesel pushers that cost from just below $200,000 to $3/4-Million.bob phillips
LD or Born Free Reply #7 – February 25, 2001, 11:12:57 am Yahoo Message Number: 2275One other little item to ensure problem free below freezing camping; We were advised to pull out the bottom kitchen drawer (put it on the sink)that is just above where the water pump sits. This lets the house warm air circulate around the pump hoses.Larry W
LD or Born Free Reply #8 – February 25, 2001, 11:12:57 am Yahoo Message Number: 2276One other little item to ensure problem free below freezing camping; We were advised to pull out the bottom kitchen drawer (put it on the sink)that is just above where the water pump sits. This lets the house warm air circulate around the pump hoses.Larry W
LD or Born Free Reply #9 – February 25, 2001, 11:12:57 am Yahoo Message Number: 2277One other little item to ensure problem free below freezing camping; We were advised to pull out the bottom kitchen drawer (put it on the sink)that is just above where the water pump sits. This lets the house warm air circulate around the pump hoses.Larry W
LD or Born Free Reply #10 – February 25, 2001, 11:12:57 am Yahoo Message Number: 2278One other little item to ensure problem free below freezing camping; We were advised to pull out the bottom kitchen drawer (put it on the sink)that is just above where the water pump sits. This lets the house warm air circulate around the pump hoses.Larry W
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