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Solar Suitcase
Here is my next electrical question: 

I was recently camping with a friend who has a “side solar” input on his trailer. He plugs a solar suitcase into the port to supplement his solar charging.  I then remembered that I have a 200 watt solar suitcase (designed for use with a Goal Zero storage battery) that could be utilized as extra input when parked under trees, etc.  It has HPP (High Power Port) connectors. How could I incorporate that into the LD system so I could use it for additional solar?
Greg & Victoria
2017 Mid-Bath  “Nocona” towing a manual 2015 Forester
Previously a 1985 TK
SKP #61264

Re: Solar Suitcase
Reply #1

That depends upon your current solar power system. Let's take a simple case: suppose your solar panels on the roof are wired in parallel, and they're putting out about 18 V (Vmpp). The Goal Zero "Boulder" 200 W suitcase also puts out 18 V. So you could simply wire the two sets of panels in parallel.

But your solar charging controller will have to be rated to handle the amperage coming from both sets of panels combined. If it isn't, you'll need to upgrade to a beefier controller. (Alternatively, if you now have a Victron Smart Solar controller, you could add a second controller--a $65 Victron 75/15 would work for the GZ suitcase's roughly 12 A maximum output--and network the two controllers together.)

By the way, the Goal Zero "HPP" connector appears to be just a garden-variety Anderson connector pair, with a rubber boot for weatherproofing. Anderson connectors are available all over the place. Or you could buy a GZ HPP cable and cut off one end to tie it into your system.

That's a simple example. If your roof array is wired to put out more than 18V, you can still do this, but in that case you'll definitely need a separate controller for the GZ suitcase.  That's what I've done for my homemade 200 W suitcase, because I wired its two panels in series in order to cut voltage drop in half in the 20' cable I sometimes use. Its output voltage is enough different from my roof array that I used a separate Victron 75/15 for the suitcase.

That should give you an idea of what's involved. In any case, I'd suggest adding a breaker where the suitcase connects to the LD, so that you can cut off the power from the panels before disconnecting them. Otherwise you can get arcing and pitting in your connectors.

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Andy Baird
2021 Ford Ranger towing 2019 Airstream 19CB
Previously: 1985 LD Twin/King "Gertie"; 2003 LD Midbath "Skylark"

Re: Solar Suitcase
Reply #2
Here is my next electrical question: 

I was recently camping with a friend who has a “side solar” input on his trailer. He plugs a solar suitcase into the port to supplement his solar charging.  I then remembered that I have a 200 watt solar suitcase (designed for use with a Goal Zero storage battery) that could be utilized as extra input when parked under trees, etc.  It has HPP (High Power Port) connectors. How could I incorporate that into the LD system so I could use it for additional solar?

Maybe.  To rephrase Andy's explanation (he knows more about this than I do)  ....... The question I'd have to ask is where is the solar controller?     'Raw' solar panels tend to have a voltage output that can't be directly 'hooked'  to batteries.  So if your solar suitcase has the solar controller then you can directly attach it but if not you'll need some sort of solar controller before the batteries. 

To me it would be 'easier' to charge the Goal Zero battery.  Then plug your LD into that.

glen
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Re: Solar Suitcase
Reply #3
Hi Andy. I don’t think the solar suitcase comes with a charge controller but they are available from GZ for a hundred bucks.

20-Amp Charge Controller – Goal Zero

Right now I only have one factory installed panel but I’m considering bumping up the input to 400 watts (two 200 watt panels) and removing the existing panel.

Hi Glen. I recall at Morro Bay you had some external solar charging but can’t remember if you were charging directly to your batteries or to a battery storage unit?  I thought about bringing the GZ 3000X battery in the RV but it’s pretty bulky and heavy!

Goal Zero Yeti 3000X Portable Power Station 3032Wh

I might reconsider it though.

Greg & Victoria
2017 Mid-Bath  “Nocona” towing a manual 2015 Forester
Previously a 1985 TK
SKP #61264

Re: Solar Suitcase
Reply #4


Hi Glen. I recall at Morro Bay you had some external solar charging but can’t remember if you were charging directly to your batteries or to a battery storage unit?  I thought about bringing the GZ 3000X battery in the RV but it’s pretty bulky and heavy!

Goal Zero Yeti 3000X Portable Power Station 3032Wh

I might reconsider it though.



I do both.   I have a Victron MPPT Controller and two different Solar Generators.   I also carry two 100-watt Solar Panels. 
If I need to re-charge the Solar Generator I can hook the solar panels directly as they have controllers built in.   If I need to re-charge the LD house batteries I need to put the Victron in the path from the solar panels to the batteries. 

Lizbeth and I don't use must AC energy so this setup is fine with us.  I get space issues.   <smile> Two cats, two solar generators, and two humans......... 

glen
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2014 Twin King

Re: Solar Suitcase
Reply #5

"I don't think the solar suitcase comes with a charge controller but they are available from GZ for a hundred bucks."

The Goal Zero 96110 charging controller has two advantages: it's waterproof and only an inch thick, so you could glue it to the back of a solar panel and have a self-contained unit that could hook up directly to a battery bank. And it uses GZ's modified Anderson connectors, so it's a plug-and-play solution if you want to charge a Goal Zero power station.

Here are the drawbacks:

1. It's a PWM (pulse-width modulated) controller rather than MPPT (maximum power point tracking). PWM is inefficient. Most modern controllers--even relatively inexpensive ones--use MPPT circuitry, which can get 15%-25% more power from a given panel than PWM. That alone is a reason not to buy the GZ controller. Why throw away power?

2. It can only accept 15-22 volts from solar panels. OK, but most panels put out around 18 V, so why is this a drawback? Because if you want to set out more than one panel (two 100 W panels on the ground are a common setup), having a higher voltage is a big advantage. Here's why.

When designing any solar power system, you're always thinking about minimizing voltage drop--power lost in the wires leading from the panels to the charging controller. In a permanent installation with roof-mounted panels, that means keeping your cable runs as short as possible, and sizing your wire to keep voltage drop below one or two percent, if at all possible.

But with ground-based panels, you may want to park in the shade and put the panels fifteen or twenty feet away. (I carry ten-foot and twenty-foot cables.) Unless you use massive wire, that can mean significant voltage drop at 18 volts. But if you connect your two panels in series for 36 volts--or buy a single 30 volt panel--the voltage drop is cut in half. That makes long cables much more practical.

3. The GZ controller is overpriced. You pay a hundred bucks for an inefficient controller that can't handle multiple panels in series. By contrast, sixty five bucks will get you the Victron 75/15 that I mentioned in an earlier post. So let's talk about that.

First, let's get the drawbacks out of the way. It isn't waterproof, so it'll have to be mounted indoors. And it doesn't have GZ-type terminals, so you'll have to strip wires and insert them into its screw-clamp terminals.

But that said, it's an efficient MPPT controller that will get more power out of any solar panel than GZ’s PWM controller. It can handle up to 75 volts of input--plenty to allow series-connected panels,a which will minimize voltage drop in a long cable from your rig to your panels. It has Bluetooth built in, so you can monitor it from anywhere nearby. And it costs a lot less than the GZ controller.

The Victron 75/15 controller isn't the only possibility, of course. Suppose you just want a single outside panel, and you want a controller that you can mount on or near the panel. Well, you could buy this $38 Bateria controller. It's an MPPT type, it's waterproof, and it's simple--no fancy Bluetooth features. I haven't used this one myself; I just mention it as an example of a simple, nearly plug-and-play*, efficient MPPT controller that's a lot more affordable than the GZ controller.

* It uses SAE connectors, which you can get in any auto parts store, so you would have to do some cutting and butt-splicing to attach them to your panel.

I recommend the Victron 75/15 because it's versatile, efficient, and reasonably priced. I've used several of them over the years and have had zero problems with them. But if you want a cheap solution that will work better than the GZ controller, there are plenty of choices, such as the Bateria model I just mentioned.

OK, I've gone on long enough. :-) I hope this gives you some ideas for the best ways to implement a supplementary solar panel.

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Andy Baird
2021 Ford Ranger towing 2019 Airstream 19CB
Previously: 1985 LD Twin/King "Gertie"; 2003 LD Midbath "Skylark"

Re: Solar Suitcase
Reply #6
Renogy has a well built 200 watt solar suitcase that can be purchased with  a solar controller directly connected to it. I have both wet cell and lithium batteries in my coach. The controller setting can be easily switched back and forth from wet cell or lithium(LiOn and LiPo). I have used it many times on both types and it has worked great.

Cheers!
Matt
2004 26.5 Island Bed. Gumby
2006 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon

Re: Solar Suitcase
Reply #7
The Victron 75/15 controller isn't the only possibility, of course. Suppose you just want a single outside panel, and you want a controller that you can mount on or near the panel. Well, you could buy this $38 Bateria controller. It's an MPPT type, it's waterproof, and it's simple--no fancy Bluetooth features. I haven't used this one myself; I just mention it as an example of a simple, nearly plug-and-play*, efficient MPPT controller that's a lot more affordable than the GZ controller.

Thanks, Andy. When you say “a single outside panel” does that preclude using the the solar suitcase since it is two panels connected together?
Greg & Victoria
2017 Mid-Bath  “Nocona” towing a manual 2015 Forester
Previously a 1985 TK
SKP #61264

 
Re: Solar Suitcase
Reply #8

"When you say 'a single outside panel' does that preclude using the the solar suitcase since it is two panels connected together?"

You could, but not with the Bateria controller I mentioned. Assuming you're talking about Goal Zero's Boulder 200 suitcase, it puts out 18 V at 14 amps maximum. But the Bateria charge controller I mentioned can only handle 10 amps, so that wouldn't be suitable. However, Bateria makes a 20 A version that should be able to handle your 200 watt panels. It's twice as expensive (seventy bucks), but it handles twice as many amps, so fair enough.

Two things to be aware of: first, before you glue any controller onto the back of your suitcase, make certain that the suitcase will be able to fold closed with the controller in place! If it's too thick, that scheme won't work.

And second, I've noticed that most controllers, including all the ones I've mentioned, warn that you must connect the battery to the controller before connecting the panels to it. That makes the idea of sticking it to the back of a panel a lot less convenient, since you can't just wire it permanently to the panels and then connect and disconnect the battery end. You'd have to remember to connect it to the batteries first every time you used it, then connect it to the panels... and disconnect in the reverse order. Otherwise, you risk damaging the controller.

I wouldn't trust myself to get that right every single time. My Victron 75/15 has the same "battery first" requirement, but because it's inside my rig, it's always connected to the batteries. A 40 amp breaker acts as a switch, so that I can connect my solar suitcase and then switch on the panels, thus keeping the controller happy.

By the way, the Renogy 200 W suitcase + charge controller bundle that Matt mentioned includes a less efficient PWM controller that can't get as much power from the panels as an MPPT controller. The suitcase itself is fine--Renogy makes good panels--but that PWM controller wastes power. Anyway, you already have the Goal Zero 200 W suitcase.

So to sum up: from what I can find out, yes, you could buy a waterproof MPPT solar controller. You could mount it on the back of your Goal Zero panels, assuming it's thin enough to fit when the suitcase is folded.  (Or I guess you could just let it dangle, but that seems inelegant. :-) But you'd have to be careful to always connect its output side to your batteries first, before connecting the input side to your panels.

If you also sometimes use your Goal Zero suitcase to charge a GZ power station, then you'd have to cut off the connectors on the input side of the charge controller and replace them with GZ's "HPP" connectors, so that they'd be able to mate with the suitcase's output connectors. (On the controller's output side, you'd probably want MC4 connectors, so that you could use off-the-shelf MC4 extension cables to get to your rig.)

Or you could hardwire a Victron 75/15 to your batteries, wire a short MC4 cable to the input side, and then run an MC4 to "HPP" cable out to the GZ suitcase. That way you'd keep the suitcase compatible with your GZ power station, and wouldn't have to worry about in what order you connected things.

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Andy Baird
2021 Ford Ranger towing 2019 Airstream 19CB
Previously: 1985 LD Twin/King "Gertie"; 2003 LD Midbath "Skylark"