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Pc board at towing connector???
We are getting towing set up.

We had a 4 pin round connector coming out of the LD.
We  put in a 7 blade connector following roadmaster  instructions.

The installer changed that wiring saying it was not “national standards” but then he also changes the umbilical cord between the Coach and the toad saying roadmaster often does not wire this correctly.

When we test with a multimeter, we get voltage for left and right turn signals (12 something boots).
We get low voltage for the taillights, I know of a problem where that voltage is not that strong which affects the brightness of marker lights -
We plan to put in LED marker lights which is supposed to fix this).

When we have only brake lights on, we don’t get  voltage out of the taillight wires but do out of the turn signals (I need to double check this but I think it is true).

Roadmaster said we needed to replace a pc (circuit board) on the wiring before the wires come out the Coach).

Anyone know anything about a pc board??

Thanks Jane and Scott
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Jane & Scott
Currently have a 1989 TK  LD we did a lot of upgrades on.
Bigfoot 25RQ Twin on order with early summer 2024 ETA

Our smartphone autocorrects into very poor English.
 We disclaim the illusion of ignorance this creates as we have enough ignorance we rightly claim.

Re: Pc board at towing connector???
Reply #1
There is no pc board in the LD wiring for the lights. Was the communique from Roadmaster in a text you can copy here? Maybe sense can be made of it with their wording.

Steve
2004 FL
2013 Honda Fit

Re: Pc board at towing connector???
Reply #2
Steve, That was my guess.
I talked to roadmaster on the phone.

I have looked for YouTube/web pages that took out a 4 pin and added in a 7 blade.  Nothing good is out there. 

Everyone uses an adapter from 4 pin to 7 blade. 
Is there anything in the adapter that changes voltage in wires (diodes or a pc board or ..)?

The more I think of it the roadmaster tech said the taillights wire had no voltage when the brakes are on (I think he messed up colors) and that is what he said indicated our PC board had gone out.
He was adamant we had one of those boards.

Roadmaster specs say a 4 pin vehicle connector has ground, taillights, right turn/brakes, and left turn brakes. We didn’t test brakes but the rest were correct coming out of the RV.

We are going to do another full test tomorrow and call roadmaster again. 
Jane & Scott
Currently have a 1989 TK  LD we did a lot of upgrades on.
Bigfoot 25RQ Twin on order with early summer 2024 ETA

Our smartphone autocorrects into very poor English.
 We disclaim the illusion of ignorance this creates as we have enough ignorance we rightly claim.

Re: Pc board at towing connector???
Reply #3

Hi Jane; Older systems are often not well understood.  Insisting on a bad circuit board; I don't think my '99 has any circuit boards involved with trailer lights.  Europe, and now many cars have three wires. Separate brake, running lights and turn signals, usually amber, for each side.  The American standard was TWO wires.  The running (sometimes called parking) lights.  And the Brake lights, which do double duty as turn signals, by turning off the brake light only on the side signaling a turn, if the brakes are on, or by turning on the brake light on the signaling side if the brakes are off.  That is what Ford, and most american cars do.
   The four wires you have are Ground (White insulation);  running lights ( Brown insulation); right turn signal/brake (Green insulation); and Left turn signal (Yellow insulation).   Lazy Daze used a light brown wire for tail lights, license, front corner lights, 5 amber markers, and 5 red markers.
    There is a standard 7 wire implementation plug and socket, that Ford and others have adopted.  The definition of which wire goes where is still open for some interpretation.  https://www.etrailer.com/question-363.html  has a write up for this. This type of 7 pin connector can be purchased many places (WalMart) for less than $20. and has worked well for me.
     Ford used, until about 2003, wires for the tail lights that were too small to carry the 8 Amps necessary for proper brightness of the brake lights. 2 Amps per tail light times 4 brake lights left not enough voltage. (about 7.4 v.) LED brake lights don't draw as much current when on.  3/4 Amps per light. 3 Amps total for four lights, instead of 8 A.  Often a buffer relay (real mechanical relays), or more solid state relays can provide power to a towed vehicle lighting system.  In the old days (so called steering) diodes were installed to separate the towing (motorhome) from the towed (dinghy).  One problem with the Ford was with the cruise control not working. The decreased current draw with LED lights was interpreted as a burned out light. Some people substituted load resistors to keep the current drain the same, but that isn't the right cure.  A new electronic flasher relay fixes that problem, and provides consistent timing.  The Grote  Amazon.com: Grote 44892 3 Pin Flasher (North American (JSO) Pinout) : Automotive   is what I have used.  
    A link to wiring I put in in 2017 for a 2001 MB:    Brighter tail lights recs?      RonB

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RonB (Bostick) living in San Diego
Original owner of "Bluebelle" a '99 TKB

Re: Pc board at towing connector???
Reply #4
The four wires you have are Ground (White insulation);  running lights ( Brown insulation); right turn signal/brake (Green insulation); and Left turn signal (Yellow insulation).   Lazy Daze used a light brown wire for tail lights, license, front corner lights, 5 amber markers, and 5 red markers.
    There is a standard 7 wire implementation plug and socket, that Ford and others adopted.  The definition of which wire goes where is open for some interpretation.  https://www.etrailer.com/question-363.html  has a write up for this. This type of 7 pin connector can be purchased many places (WalMart) for less that $20. and has worked well for me.     RonB

Ron, thanks for the info. We actually have a red wire and no yellow wire (at least in the 4 wires that connect to a towing connector) but yes we tested by function (what gave the wire voltage) not what the color was.  I think our brown wire is taillights as I didn’t see the running lights on but the eg can be hard to see during the day.

Thanks for seconding Steve’s statement of no pc boards in our ‘89.

Yes we got a standard 7 blade connector for vehicle side for towing and followed it’s wiring which matched what roadmaster wanted to see (again by function not color) and looks the same as the link you provided.  It tested correct - eg put RV  signal light on  and correct blade had voltage…
But didn’t work when car attached, then installer changed wires both on the rv to 7 blade connector and the cord between the RV 7 blade and the HRV 6 pin connector.   And he still could not get it to work (RV to car) but did get tow car to work with his homemade (and quite old) testing stand so said he did his job right and it was the coach.

Ron, so you took your 4 wires from your LD, disconnects them from the old 4pin connector Snd connects then to the standard places on that 7 blade (matching the function of the wire, but the color), and your 7 blade worked fine?
Jane & Scott
Currently have a 1989 TK  LD we did a lot of upgrades on.
Bigfoot 25RQ Twin on order with early summer 2024 ETA

Our smartphone autocorrects into very poor English.
 We disclaim the illusion of ignorance this creates as we have enough ignorance we rightly claim.

 
Re: Pc board at towing connector???
Reply #5
Hi Jane;  I used to connect just the 4 wires from the tire cover mount to my VW dune buggy, and everything was fine. I didn't have aux brakes, battery charge or anything else.  I took those four wires and connected them into a now obsolete Modulite heavy duty relay buffer. It has it's own 40Amp circuit from the Ford system under hood to the Modulite and the Modulite drives the wires to the 7 pin connector. I haven't had any problems yet with the buggy or Tracker. Both of those are what I call 'primitive' systems. Very simple, no issues.
   I wired up a friends 2001 MB in 2017 with a Tekonsha Modulite Ultra 119192.   https://www.summitracing.com/parts/tkh-119192?seid=srese1&gclid=Cj0KCQiA-oqdBhDfARIsAO0TrGFm3Dv7bdqWfBZfPcXkplRGryzNUdxR_dOj8urtRkq3SmDGVBRHOpEaAkBBEALw_wcB He never got around to towing his Jeep, just drove separately. But we tested all of the connections, and it should have worked.
    You mentioned a HRV. I assume a Honda HRV. A quick check says only the 2020 and newer can be flat towed.  There may be some interaction with your 1989 Ford system.  Modern cars with CANBUS can be uncooperative.  RonB
RonB (Bostick) living in San Diego
Original owner of "Bluebelle" a '99 TKB