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Starlink and Inverter
I have been having help setting up my Starlink and my Firestick for my TV.  I need a better inverter.  What is the maximum watts for an inverter.  The people who are helping me recommend a 450 watt.  Is that too much?  Thank you in advance for any recommendations.

Monica
Monica
2017 MB

Re: Starlink and Inverter
Reply #1
Hi Monica;  There is no maximum wattage for an inverter.  The problem is that while on, they consume power for themselves, usually in proportion to their maximum capability.  A 100 Watt inverter may consume an Amp even if not being used at all, all the time while switched on. Even more while being used, that doesn't get to the device being powered.  I have a 2400 Watt inverter (for the microwave) that consumes about 25 Watts just for being on. You wouldn't want that on, for instance, to charge your phone up.
   So I have a separate  75 Watt inverter to run the television and smaller devices like my toothbrush charger, etc.
   I don't know the power requirement of the Starlink. You would want a dedicated inverter just big enough to handle that, along with computer or associated devices that you run with it.  RonB
RonB (Bostick) living in San Diego
Original owner of "Bluebelle" a '99 TKB

Re: Starlink and Inverter
Reply #2
A Standard Starlink uses 75 watts maximum, a 200-watt inverter will work fine.
75 watts is low enough to use the cigarette lighter, but it would be better to hardwire the inverter and add an inline fuse.
How much power does my Starlink need? - Starlink Help Center

Larry
Larry
2003 23.5' Front Lounge, since new.  Previously 1983 22' Front Lounge.
Tow vehicles  2020 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon, 2001 Jeep Cherokee
Photo Collection: Lazy Daze

Re: Starlink and Inverter
Reply #3
"A Standard Starlink uses 75 watts maximum, a 200-watt inverter will work fine.
75 watts is low enough to use the cigarette lighter, but it would be better to hardwire the inverter and add an inline fuse."

Thank you, Larry.  Where does one get an inverter hardwired and an inline fuse? 
Monica
2017 MB

Re: Starlink - Update & Battery Question
Reply #4
Since I posted last and had several people try unsuccessfully to help me set up my Starlink Standard  in my 2017 mid-bath, it seems that my batteries should be replaced.  They urged me to get lithium batteries, but it is my understanding that they are expensive and there needs to be other alterations.  I am thinking of just getting AGM batteries again. I have two solar panels that came with the LD when I purchased it.   I am also planning to sell my Starlink Standard and get the Starlink Mini instead.  My question is if I get the AGM batteries and the Mini Starlink would I have enough power to run the Mini Starlink, my 12-volt TV, and charging a few items like phone and laptop?  Thank you in advance for your responses and help.
Monica
Monica
2017 MB

Re: Starlink and Inverter
Reply #5

Monica, you asked "would I have enough power?" That's really two questions: "Can I generate enough power?", and "Can I store enough power?" Obviously if you ran your generator around the clock, you could generate enough power. But that would be obnoxious. Driving generates power, but if you're like most of us, you don't drive every day--maybe not even every week. So that first question largely depends upon whether your solar panels can generate enough power--enough that you won't have to run your generator too often or too long.

200 watts of panels aren't a lot. You're going to be adding the power consumption of the Starlink Mini (three amps or so) to what you're doing now--laptop, TV, phone, and lights. If you have a battery monitor such as Victron's BMV-712, you should be able to get a good idea of your present power consumption. If not, you'll have to take a guess. Remember, even if you had the world's biggest batteries, you only have 200 watts of solar power feeding them.

Next question is how much power you can store in your batteries. Rephrasing my last statement, even if you had the world's largest solar array, at night you're limited by your batteries. AGM batteries were the reliable workhorses for years, but they have been surpassed by lithium batteries. Putting it simply, you can get more power from a 100 amp-hour lithium battery than you can from a 100 amp-hour AGM.

Equally important, good quality lithium batteries are now cost-competitive with AGMs. If you've heard that lithiums are very expensive, that's no longer true. Yes, Battle Born, which was once a popular brand, is still selling 100 amp-hour lithium batteries for $750 apiece. They're not worth it. (And they're not particularly well built.) You can get a 100 Ah SOK brand battery for $299, and several of our members report good results with that brand.

So let's summarize: if you need to replace your batteries, lithium is likely the best way to go. You'll be able to store and use more power than AGM batteries with the same amp-hour rating. But that power has to come from somewhere, and by adding Starlink to your rig, you'll be using more than before. So you may need to add more solar panels. That's not as expensive as you might think, since solar panel prices have dropped quite a bit. You can get a 100 watt panel now for sixty or seventy bucks--this Newpowa panel is a good example. (I'm using a couple of these now; I made them into a portable "solar suitcase.") Installation will probably cost more than the panels, unless you do it yourself.

If I were you, I'd get a couple of new SOK lithium batteries, install the Starlink Mini, and see how things go. Then I'd add a couple of 100 W solar panels if necessary.

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Andy Baird
2021 Ford Ranger towing 2019 Airstream 19CB
Previously: 1985 LD Twin/King "Gertie"; 2003 LD Midbath "Skylark"

Re: Starlink and Inverter
Reply #6
Thank you so much, Andy, for your detailed response.  It is very much appreciated.  I returned the Standard Starlink and bought the Mini Starlink.  I did get new AGM batteries because I didn't want to have to change the converter or do other changes that were necessary for the lithium batteries.  Hopefully, I can get the Mini to work and if necessary will get more solar panels. 

Monica
Monica
2017 MB

Re: Starlink and Inverter
Reply #7

Congratulations, Monica! Now here's a power-saving improvement you can make. Instead of using the Starlink Mini's AC adapter, which requires either shore power or an inverter, you can run it from 12 VDC, reducing its power consumption. Here's what you need:

Starlink 5 M Mini USB-C Cable ($31)

120W Car Charger ($26)

With these two items, you can power the Starlink Mini from any 12 volt outlet, and save power in the bargain. :-)

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Andy Baird
2021 Ford Ranger towing 2019 Airstream 19CB
Previously: 1985 LD Twin/King "Gertie"; 2003 LD Midbath "Skylark"

Re: Starlink and Inverter
Reply #8
Thank you very much, Andy!  I just ordered this cable and car charger.

Monica
Monica
2017 MB

Re: Starlink and Inverter
Reply #9
Being able to run on 12 volts is a definite advantage, the earlier standard Starlink needs 120-volts A/C, requiring the use of the inverter.
Like most new technologies, over time, things improve, I wonder if the WiFi range is the same, the Standard router can reach out two to three hundred feet, nice for sharing.

Larry
Larry
2003 23.5' Front Lounge, since new.  Previously 1983 22' Front Lounge.
Tow vehicles  2020 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon, 2001 Jeep Cherokee
Photo Collection: Lazy Daze

 
Re: Starlink and Inverter
Reply #10
"I wonder if the WiFi range is the same"

I've read that the Mini's Wi-Fi range is less. This review, for example, says so. That wouldn't be surprising, given it uses half the power of the Standard Starlink. While this post claims a 250-foot range, I wouldn't count on getting that much. I've never had the Mini more than 30 to 50 feet away, and it's worked fine at that distance (bearing in mind that like you, I live in an aluminum can), so I can't give a maximum range from personal experience.

It is also said (see first link above) that the Mini doesn't perform as well in snow or heavy rain. I haven't had occasion to test it in snow, and the few times it has rained haven't seemed to affect it. But again, that's anecdotal evidence from a sample of one. :-)

All I can say is that in my experience, the Mini has never failed me, and its reduced power consumption and ability to run on 12 VDC (with a $26 plug-in adapter) are compelling advantages.

It does bear repeating that the Starlink Mini hardware costs twice as much as the Standard model, at least, the last time I checked. (That's not sensible, since the Mini likely costs less to manufacture, but... marketing.) And data plans are different. With the Mini, it's basically either $1 per gigabyte with a $50/50 GB per month minimum, or $165 for "unlimited" service. I bought the less expensive plan, even though I average about $75/75 GB per month.
Andy Baird
2021 Ford Ranger towing 2019 Airstream 19CB
Previously: 1985 LD Twin/King "Gertie"; 2003 LD Midbath "Skylark"