Our First LD - 31' Island Bed September 08, 2020, 12:10:17 am We are 95% there, selling our current C class for a LD 31 IB. We live close to the LD factory and we've seen LD in person, waiting for a 31 IB to take a closer look; we want this to be our last motor home, this changing after just 3.5 years is way to costly. I've been doing a lot of reading on the forum and I've compiled a few questions I'm hoping to get some input on. I know no motor home is perfect, but I just want to make sure I fully understand all aspects of the LD 31 IB. >> I read something on the mid-bath toilet / black tank. The run from the toilet to the black tank is long and there is a shelf in tank, so solids don't drop straight into the tank. If this is correct, it sounds like a source of clogging which not be fun to resolve. >> I've read that some have chosen to not use the LD provided awning and add something different after taking delivery. Is the LD supplied awning a good one? Do they use a long awning on the 31 vs the shorter models? No mention of the length in the specs. >> I've read that some people have added a flush device to the tank so a hose can be connected to clean out the tanks. Is there room on the 31 IB to add one of these to each tank. >> Has anyone ever eliminated the barrel chairs and added there own chairs. I figure this would be very difficult to do once I take delivery. I assume they put the chairs in early in construction to get them inside; maybe through the window opening. I appreciate any and all input.
Re: Our First LD - 32 IB Reply #1 – September 08, 2020, 12:30:03 am Quote from: dshaffer - September 08, 2020, 12:10:17 amWe are 95% there, selling our current C class for a LD 31 IB. We live close to the LD factory and we've seen LD in person, waiting for a 31 IB to take a closer look; we want this to be our last motor home, this changing after just 3.5 years is way to costly. I've been doing a lot of reading on the forum and I've compiled a few questions I'm hoping to get some input on. I know no motor home is perfect, but I just want to make sure I fully understand all aspects of the LD 31 IB. >> I read something on the mid-bath toilet / black tank. The run from the toilet to the black tank is long and there is a shelf in tank, so solids don't drop straight into the tank. If this is correct, it sounds like a source of clogging which not be fun to resolve. I have the 30' but based on being on the forum for many years, I've heard very few stories about Mid Bath toilet clogging. Most folks are aware of the potential problem and prepare accordingly when flushing.>> I've read that some have chosen to not use the LD provided awning and add something different after taking delivery. Is the LD supplied awning a good one? Do they use a long awning on the 31 vs the shorter models? No mention of the length in the specs. All RV awnings are inherently susceptible to wind damage because they are a sail. Personally, I think the Fiamma is more inclined to wind damage than other brands, but I can't prove it. The 31' gets a longer awning.>> I've read that some people have added a flush device to the tank so a hose can be connected to clean out the tanks. Is there room on the 31 IB to add one of these to each tank. Yes.>> Has anyone ever eliminated the barrel chairs and added there own chairs. I figure this would be very difficult to do once I take delivery. I assume they put the chairs in early in construction to get them inside; maybe through the window opening. Yes, folks do swap out the barrel chairs. Not sure how they get in, but you can get them out. It's hard to find a comfortable chair to fit in that space, but they are out there. Most folks live with the barrel chairs.I appreciate any and all input. Chris
Re: Our First LD - 32 IB Reply #2 – September 08, 2020, 02:12:00 am Quote from: dshaffer - September 08, 2020, 12:10:17 am>> I read something on the mid-bath toilet / black tank. The run from the toilet to the black tank is long and there is a shelf in tank, so solids don't drop straight into the tank. If this is correct, it sounds like a source of clogging which not be fun to resolve. >> I've read that some have chosen to not use the LD provided awning and add something different after taking delivery. Is the LD supplied awning a good one? Do they use a long awning on the 31 vs the shorter models? No mention of the length in the specs. >> I've read that some people have added a flush device to the tank so a hose can be connected to clean out the tanks. Is there room on the 31 IB to add one of these to each tank. >> Has anyone ever eliminated the barrel chairs and added there own chairs. I figure this would be very difficult to do once I take delivery. I assume they put the chairs in early in construction to get them inside; maybe through the window opening. Our stock awning is 18 years old, and we use it often. If you take care and never leave it up when you are gone from camp, it can survive for a long time. There are stronger awnings but most have arms permanently attached to the passenger side of the coach, something to catch on tree limbs and bushes.LD installs longer awnings on the longer floorplans.AFAIK, all the holding tanks have spots where flushers can be mounted. They may not always be in the optimum position, it's still worth doing.Many 31' owners have replaced their barrel chairs, search the archives. The chairs usually disassemble and can pass either through the coach door or through a window, with the screen opened. Our 23.5' FL barrel chairs come apart and pass through the coach door.Larry
Re: Our First LD - 32 IB Reply #3 – September 08, 2020, 03:52:44 am Hi uh...d?; The MidBath toilet run to the black tank was problematic because of the wheel well for the rear axel. The toilet is raised, but the pipe has a 90 degree fitting, and not much of an incline. Using more water at the right times can flush cleanly into the tank. The problem is only in the MidBath. As far as I know, all models can be fitted with a flush fitting, although some floorplans may not have access at the best places for the fitting. I don't need a flush nozzle for the TK, don'tneed it. I don't use my awning all that often, but I've only had two problems in 20 years. I've hit a sign in front of my house because it sticks out into the street. High enough to miss cars, but while I'm watching my tires and the curb backing up I forget about the sign. (going to take a sawzall to it some night). Just scratches the paint. I did mess up the anchor for the center rafter, fixed it, but the 23.5 is so short I don't use the rafter, and it stays home in the garage. RonB
Re: Our First LD - 32 IB Reply #4 – September 08, 2020, 08:04:38 am I read something on the mid-bath toilet / black tank. The run from the toilet to the black tank is long and there is a shelf in tank, so solids don't drop straight into the tank. If this is correct, it sounds like a source of clogging which not be fun to resolve. With the 27' Rear Bath the toilet is directly over the black tank with no obstruction for the solids drop. Also you can see directly into the tank through the toilet's open ball valve to check the water level. The Rear Bath also has just one holding tanks dump hookup whereas the Mid Bath has two (one for each tank). I have no knowledge of the 31' units setup. I've read that some people have added a flush device to the tank so a hose can be connected to clean out the tanks. Is there room on the 31 IB to add one of these to each tank. I have added the Camco Quickie Flush 40123 w/back flow preventer (see link) to the black (and current grey) tanks in all the motorhomes I have had over the years. It is a simple device that saves a lot of grief when dumping the holding tanks. I have also found that adding a small packet of Cascade dishwasher soap to the black tank helps keeping the solids buildup on the tank surfaces to a minimum. <Amazon.com: Camco 40123 Quickie Flush with Back Flow Preventer: Automotive; As an Amazon Associate Lazy Daze Owners' Group earns from qualifying purchases.
Re: Our First LD - 32 IB Reply #5 – September 08, 2020, 09:24:55 am Regarding barrel chairs, I have seen a picture of them in high back version. They looked really comfortable. Can’t find the picture though. Maybe someone has one. I would definitely consider them due to the higher back.Ron
Re: Our First LD - 32 IB Reply #6 – September 08, 2020, 10:08:21 am I think Lazy Daze is a wise choice! As far as the barrel chairs go, I wanted to remove one in my little 22’ to put a dog bed there. I wasn’t confident in my ability to remove a window, so I simply turned it upside down and unscrewed the base. Both pieces came out through the door, no problem. 1 Likes
Re: Our First LD - 31' Island Bed Reply #7 – September 08, 2020, 11:01:12 am We bought and sold a 2015 Twin King while on the waiting list for our 2019 MidBath. The Twin King purchase confirmed that Lazy Daze coaches are everything people say they are and gave us a way to camp in and become familiar with a Lazy Daze motorhome while biding our wait. Perhaps not surprisingly, we sold the TK for exactly what we paid for it. As for the Mid Bath toilet to black tank run being a potential source of problems, we’ve not experienced any. We have adopted the following practice: 1) we do not flush toilet paper, 2) we follow the Lazy Daze Owners Manual instruction for spraying the bowl and down pipe with the factory installed sprayer, and 3) during pump-out, we use the Camco black tank flush/spray wand which has a long tube attached to the wand. We love the Mid Bath for the separation of living space - DW is a night owl and I’m and early bird (not sure what sort of bird mind you)...Best wishes to you!Warren 2 Likes
Re: Our First LD - 31' Island Bed Reply #8 – September 08, 2020, 11:41:15 am ">> Has anyone ever eliminated the barrel chairs and added there own chairs. I figure this would be very difficult to do once I take delivery. I assume they put the chairs in early in construction to get them inside; maybe through the window opening. ""Yes, folks do swap out the barrel chairs. Not sure how they get in, but you can get them out. It's hard to find a comfortable chair to fit in that space, but they are out there. Most folks live with the barrel chairs."******************Just my opinion, but I think the chairs are very comfortable. I sought out the floor plan wherein there is a sofa and two chairs. I like the sofa for napping, but the chairs, or even more preferably, the dinette is where I sit mostly.We have never had a problem with movement under way, but also have not ever had any emergency maneuvers that might have caused any problem.Virtual hugs,Judie
Re: Our First LD - 31' Island Bed Reply #9 – September 08, 2020, 01:12:06 pm Quote from: dshaffer - September 08, 2020, 12:10:17 am>> Has anyone ever eliminated the barrel chairs and added there own chairs. I figure this would be very difficult to do once I take delivery. I assume they put the chairs in early in construction to get them inside; maybe through the window opening. The chairs are free-standing. Removing them from the rig is simple, but installing bigger replacements might be a challenge.Steve
Re: Our First LD - 31' Island Bed Reply #10 – September 08, 2020, 01:52:18 pm My 2013 MB was our first and may be my last LD.Re Toilet: The drop is to an elbow then shortly to another into the tank. Never had a problem with clogging. A flexible wand will go down to the tank proper.I wanted to as a spray cleaner but.... the tank drains from the rear. The front abuts the wheel well and the inboard side abuts the frame. The outboard side doesn't have much clearance to the exterior wall. I gave up the idea, Chris is of a different opinion, but as Joan says YMMV. Re Awning: I don't use it much, and when I do, I keep an eye on it and the wind. I'm tending toward Colddog's idea of a eyebolted tarp. Nothing like watching a wind gust tear off someone else's awing and deposit three rigs down.Re Chairs: They're free standing (secured by seatbelts when moving) and have considered replacing - fairly comfortable so I haven't mustered the volition to do so. On the 31 IB the (R) side bedroom window is the emergency egress and has plenty of room for chairs, replacement refrigerators etc.On the 31 footers, weight is always a consideration because it comes from the factory closest to the GVWR of any of the floorplans.Just my observations after 48K miles before covid. Joel
Re: Our First LD - 31' Island Bed Reply #11 – September 08, 2020, 02:01:34 pm Quote from: Judie Ashford - September 08, 2020, 11:41:15 amJust my opinion, but I think the chairs are very comfortable. We have never had a problem with movement under way, but also have not ever had any emergency maneuvers that might have caused any problem.The barrel chairs are a love them or hate them thing, depending on your body type and how it responds.We love our barrel chairs but many don't, your best advice is to see for yourself.The barrel chairs are equipped with seat belts, buckling them is a good practice...just in case.Larry
Re: Our First LD - 31' Island Bed Reply #12 – September 08, 2020, 02:11:24 pm Quote from: joel wiley - September 08, 2020, 01:52:18 pmMy 2013 MB was our first and may be my last LD.Re Toilet: The drop is to an elbow then shortly to another into the tank. Never had a problem with clogging. A flexible wand will go down to the tank proper.I wanted to as a spray cleaner but.... the tank drains from the rear. The front abuts the wheel well and the inboard side abuts the frame. The outboard side doesn't have much clearance to the exterior wall. I gave up the idea, Chris is of a different opinion, but as Joan says YMMV. Re Awning: I don't use it much, and when I do, I keep an eye on it and the wind. I'm tending toward Colddog's idea of a eyebolted tarp. Nothing like watching a wind gust tear off someone else's awing and deposit three rigs down.Re Chairs: They're free standing (secured by seatbelts when moving) and have considered replacing - fairly comfortable so I haven't mustered the volition to do so. On the 31 IB the (R) side bedroom window is the emergency egress and has plenty of room for chairs, replacement refrigerators etc.On the 31 footers, weight is always a consideration because it comes from the factory closest to the GVWR of any of the floorplans.Just my observations after 48K miles before covid. Joel "I gave up the idea, Chris is of a different opinion,"Thanks for clearing that up, Joel. I have not looked for a long time and gave a SWAG answer.Chris
Re: Our First LD - 31' Island Bed Reply #13 – September 08, 2020, 02:29:19 pm "On the 31 IB the (R) side bedroom window is the emergency egress and has plenty of room for chairs, replacement refrigerators etc."I cannot speak to the 31IB because my '04 30'IB has the 'emergency egress' on the drivers side rear.When Vince + helper replaced my fridge they took the old one out and brought the new one in through the front driver's side window, no need to remove anything besides the screen.
Re: Our First LD - 31' Island Bed Reply #14 – September 08, 2020, 03:06:35 pm "The barrel chairs are equipped with seat belts, buckling them is a good practice...just in case."I agree, and I'm pretty sure we did that, but haven't been anywhere for a very long time, so my recollection could be faulty. So simple to do that I probably did do it. Virtual hugs, Judie
Re: Our First LD - 31' Island Bed Reply #15 – September 08, 2020, 08:23:17 pm Thank you all for your inputs, excellent information, I love it! I'm sold on Lazy Daze, I think the most compelling commentary on the quality of Lazy Daze RVs is, the owners keep them for a very long time; and some then buy a new one after owning one for ten or fifteen years. I keep telling myself that it was not a mistake to buy the C class I purchased in 2017 because now the LD I get will have the new Ford drive train and associated safety features.The only down side is the long wait time. 1 Likes
Re: Our First LD - 31' Island Bed Reply #16 – September 08, 2020, 09:13:30 pm If you don't mind saying what class c did you buy. Thanks Jody.
Re: Our First LD - 31' Island Bed Reply #17 – September 08, 2020, 11:53:15 pm Jody,A Phoenix Crusier, 2910T. It’s a beautiful motorhome, just some things that don’t work for us and I figure now is the time to make the switch. Dan
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