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Readout Display panel. Battery condition.
The Readout Display Panel shows the status of the different tanks.
It also shows "battery condition ".

What information does it use to determine the battery condition ? That is, exactly how does the panel decide between conditions weak, fair and good?

Thanks
Ed

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"...exactly how does the panel decide between conditions weak, fair and good?"
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No idea, but from the primitive level of readout accuracy of the other gauges on the panel in my 2003, I'd say that "wild guess" was in play!  ;)

I depend on the Linklite and 3000i charge controller for accurate battery numbers and pretty much ignore the other "lights" on the stove hood panel because these, too, are just rough suggestions of what might be.

Joan
2003 TK has a new home

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The "idiot light" battery condition display on the panel uses a simple circuit to light the three LEDs depending upon the battery voltage. There are several problems with this. The circuit isn't exactly well-calibrated. Even if it were, a three-stage display is too coarse to tell you much. And even if the display were an accurate digital voltmeter, it wouldn't be a good indicator of the batteries' state of charge (SOC), because in normal use there are always drains and charging sources (solar panels, etc.) influencing the voltage.

If you wait until, say, three in the morning, when there's been no charging or appliance usage for many hours, and then read the battery voltage (without turning on any lights, mind!) using a digital voltmeter, you can get a reasonable idea of what the batteries' SOC is. Otherwise, voltage measurements don't really tell you much. In short, the idiot lights are next to worthless.

As Joan said, an "amp counter" type battery meter such as the LinkLite or Victron BMV700 can be useful, although these meters are heavily dependent upon knowing your battery bank's capacity and need recalibrating every year or so as that capacity diminishes with age. Better still is a Balmar Smartgauge, which calibrates itself continuously. I have both, but I trust the Smartgauge over the BMV700 for knowing what shape my batteries are in. (Amp counter meters such as the BMV700 do have other uses, such as knowing exactly how many amps are going into or coming out of your batteries at any given moment.)

Why didn't Lazy Daze install a Smartgauge? Well, the LED idiot lights and associated circuit probably cost a couple of bucks, while a Smartgauge costs a couple hundred. It's well worth it, though, if you do much dry camping!

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Andy Baird
2021 Ford Ranger towing 2019 Airstream 19CB
Previously: 1985 LD Twin/King "Gertie"; 2003 LD Midbath "Skylark"

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The  Balmar Gauge looks nice.
Decent price. Easy install even for a non-electrician like me.
Thanks.
Ed

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For more than you ever want to know (or, in my case, understand) about counting meters like Linkpro, etc, and the attendant difficulties in calibration, enlist your resident EE and go to this detailed article:
Keeping Your Battery Monitor More Accurate Photo Gallery by Compass Marine...

At the end of it I noticed that Andy had commented on it a year and a half ago. I think I'm better equipped after reading it to reprogram and equalize my Linkpro, not for perfect accuracy, but at least in a better ballpark than it is now. Good luck.  -- Jon (severely electrically challenged)
(Former) ‘06 TK “Albatross.” And (former) Vespa 250.   Alas, no more; both are gone.😕 Great memories remain! 😄

 
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Anything you read on the Compass Marine site, you can pretty much take to the bank. The site's owner is a certified marine electrician who knows both electrical theory and the rigorous ABYC standards inside out.

A very rough rule of thumb for calibrating an "amp counter" battery monitor such as a LinkLite, LinkPro, or BMV700: start with the batteries' rated capacity (225 amp-hours for most Lazy Dazes) and deduct 10% per year. So if you have a rig with Trojan T-105 batteries installed five years ago, try setting the meter's "bank capacity" to 110 Ah.

Of course, battery life varies with usage, maintenance, and climate. As I said, the above is only a very rough rule of thumb. But it's better than not recalibrating the battery meter at all. Look at it this way: if you have five-year-old batteries and install a BMV700 and tell it that your bank capacity is 225 Ah, you're going to get WAY over-optimistic readings of state of charge. That's a quick way to drive your batteries to an early death by overuse and undercharging.

I know. I've done it.
Andy Baird
2021 Ford Ranger towing 2019 Airstream 19CB
Previously: 1985 LD Twin/King "Gertie"; 2003 LD Midbath "Skylark"