About that kitchen sink... December 04, 2015, 01:36:14 am Yahoo Message Number: 157397Hi Takoma Tedd; I thought I would redo the sink in stainless once. My welder friend said that it is nearly impossible to cut and weld one, because the metal is so thin. Finding one nearly the right size seems to be the hard part, then getting it to fit, and then the plumbing! I don't like that so much storage space is compromised by the drain pipes. I wanted a flat sink bottom tilted toward the back that would drain to the back with the trap nearer the wall. A slightly deeper sink, with easier storage underneath. Maybe all one sink instead of two. It is so far down on the 'to do' list it'll never see daylight! Let us know what you end up doing. RonB with a TKB.
Re: About that kitchen sink... Reply #1 – December 04, 2015, 05:03:55 am Yahoo Message Number: 157398This is the sink I used. It was a major to install it, but Larry got it done. Probably one of the bigger headaches I have brought him, except for the transformation he's doing on my Jeep Cherokee now. Imagine a toad with 350-400 hp. Some kids never grow up.25" X 17" Stainless Steel Sink - Double Bowl Sinks - Amazon.combobmoore14 As an Amazon Associate Lazy Daze Owners' Group earns from qualifying purchases.
Re: About that kitchen sink... Reply #2 – December 04, 2015, 07:40:36 pm Yahoo Message Number: 157406And this is the sink I used:Lasalle Bristol Stainless Steel Double RV Kitchen Sink 1317SSD25155 25" x 15"Like Larry's installation for Bob, it was a major project to install this. As I recall, Bob's sink was too large and required cutting. I had the opposite problem: my sink was too short from front to back, so I had to make the hole in the counter smaller by adding fiberglass around its edges.In addition, because the fiberglass counter Lazy Daze installs is very thin and has minimal rigidity on its own, I had to add aluminum angles underneath (fiberglassed in place), framing the new sink, in order to keep the counter from sagging.And of course the drain plumbing had to be completely reconfigured, which took some head-scratching. (Don't even think about getting a sink deeper than the original--you need all the space you can get for the drain plumbing.)Finally, the sink I bought has minimal slope to the drain, so unless I'm parked perfectly level, it doesn't drain completely. I keep a squeegee next to the sink for such occasions, to help it along when necessary.Many of us have been searching for years for a good stainless steel replacement for the not-so-durable plastic sinks the factory has been using for the past twenty years or so. (My 1985 LD actually had a SS sink!) But so far I don't know of anyone who has found a good solution, If you manage to come up with a better one than Larry or I did, please post it here!Andy Baird
Re: About that kitchen sink... Reply #3 – December 04, 2015, 08:36:32 pm Yahoo Message Number: 157407"(Don't even think about getting a sink deeper than the original--you need all the space you can get for the drain plumbing.)"This is the biggest mistake I made. I wanted something a little deeper and didn't think about the problems with the drain plumbing. Somehow Larry made it all work. It even drains well.Andy and Larry are very resourceful. I wish I had that talent rather than dreaming up headaches for others to solve. I am like the math teacher that gave you the problem from h*ll. You wouldn't believe the latest project dreamed up. Maybe I better search for my old high school football helmet. As I remember it took hits from baseball bats well. It was also good protection when crawling under my first RV to work on it. A VW Bus. I love the world of RV's. Especially when I have good homemade tamales, wine, and desert to explore.bobmoore14
Re: About that kitchen sink... Reply #4 – December 05, 2015, 08:55:05 am Yahoo Message Number: 157410The main thing I don't like about the sink is the tiny little strainer which needs to be dumped so often. If I could just get a replacement with a larger one on the right kitchen sink that would be great but I don't know if such a thing exists. If nothing else I should probably sooner or later replace the drain that connects to the sink because the metal is all corroded and broken out in a couple of them where it holds the strainer.Jay Carlson
Re: About that kitchen sink... Reply #5 – December 05, 2015, 09:54:09 am Yahoo Message Number: 157411If all else fails, you could put a dishpan in the sink and just let the water and other debris collect, and then strain it through a larger hand-held, mesh strainer when you have finished the messy task. Most of the debris will settle to the bottom, so you can pour off the "clean"-ish water first, and then do whatever manipulation is necessary to capture the solids.This is not ideal, but I, too, find the strainer - especially the fine mesh drop-in model - a nuisance to clean. Wiping down your dishes after prep and eating helps to minimize the mess in the strainer.You can put the used scraping paper (your used napkin from the meal, for instance) into a covered container to contain the smell until you can dispose of it properly. There are so many foodstuffs that come in pint- to quart-sized plastic containers, that you can just collect a few before you leave on a trip (they stack well), and then just put the papers in one until it is full, and then toss it into the campground's trash receptacle with the rest of your garbage.If your meal prep has produced a disposable glass container, and there is no recycling available where you are, even better, but it isn't very aesthetically attractive as it waits for disposal! ;-> Have only a can? Then use that, and put a bit of plastic wrap over the top, and hold it down with a rubber band, or put the whole thing into a plastic bag as noted above. Cans are also handy if you have hot grease that you wish to contain until it cools and/or solidifies.If all else fails, just keep a grocery bag on the counter and scrape everything into there, close it as tightly as possible, and dispose of it at the first opportunity. Although I routinely use canvas bags to transport my groceries, I seem to collect enough plastic ones by default to always have an overabundance of them. I keep them contained, yet handy, by stuffing them into an empty Kleenex box. A decorative cube-shaped one is fairly innocuous to have around. The thinner, produce bags will do in a pinch, too, but are less secure, and frequently are damaged by protruding bits of the contents. Before trusting ANY plastic bag not to leak, blow some air into it, twist the top, and see if air escapes. Surprise leaks as you pick it up can really mess up your attitude for a while.Virtual hugs,Judie http://dorrieanne.wordpress.com
Re: About that kitchen sink... Reply #6 – December 05, 2015, 10:27:43 am Yahoo Message Number: 157413I definitely agree that the "easy maintenance" (LD's words) acrylic galley sinks with the cheap plastic drains that LD has used for eons are prone to scratching and staining; a stainless steel sink, even a single bowl SS sink, would be a better choice. However (IMO), that is not likely to happen any time soon, so just offering a few suggestions that have worked for me over 12 years to help keep the acrylic sink from looking excessively grungy. If yours is already in that state, sorry! ;-) Note: I'm not a fulltimer, so my sink does not get daily use, but I think the suggestions are still valid.Use a dish pan in one of the sink wells to wash/"store" dishes instead of putting cutlery, dishes, pots and pans, and whatever else one throws into the sink; acrylic surfaces are "soft", and scratches, dings, and discolorations (coffee and tea are killer stain-makers) do result. And, once the surface is scratched, it's open to even more staining. I have always used a dish pan, but never found one that fit until Roger Nickey offered this very useful product suggestion some time back:Amazon.com: Prepworks by Progressive by Progressive Collapsible Dish Tub:...The pan sits a *little* high in the sink well, but it works great. Two pans can be useful.Since I use a dish pan and not the sink to hold water for dishwashing, I dumped the little plastic sink stoppers; I (and a lot of other LD people) have used stainless steel mesh sink strainers for many years; these little strainers help keep food scraps and crud out of the grey tank. (Scraping off food residue from dishes and oots and pans with a spatula and even wiping them with paper towels before washing helps *a great deal* to keep nasty stuff out of the grey tank.) SS mesh strainers are cheap, functional, available from many sources (check Home Depot), and easy to clean; just whack them against the side of the plastic-bag-lined trash container and scrub them with an old toothbrush when they get a bit clogged.uxcell® Stainless Steel Drainer Basin Filter Mesh Sink Strainer 7cm Dia...If one needs to "scrub" the sinks, use a product that is a *very mild*, no-scratch abrasive, i.e., Bon Ami. (I almost always use just white vinegar, but if there's a need for a bit more action, the Bon Ami and a soft sponge is in play.)Bon AmiTo help keep crud from building up on the plastic fittings and (to keep) the sink drain lines clear, do a "vinegar blast" every now and again: about a 1/4 cup of baking soda followed by about the same amount of white vinegar. This mix "boils" and helps clear deposits off the plastic drain fittings and lines. (I usually do at least two blasts, and use a toothbrush to clean any stuff the "chemistry experiment" doesn't get.)These practices have worked for me; the sinks in my 12-year-old TK look real pretty! ;-)As always and forever, YMMV.Joan As an Amazon Associate Lazy Daze Owners' Group earns from qualifying purchases.
Re: About that kitchen sink... Reply #7 – December 05, 2015, 12:40:52 pm Yahoo Message Number: 157417In a recent post, I said that you shouldn't even think about getting a sink deeper than the original. The friend who helped me install my sink points out that this is indeed possible, if you're willing to sacrifice under-sink storage space. At least in the midbath, the kitchen sink's trap is located well below the sink itself, so there is room to rearrange the plumbing. It's a question of how much space you're willing to devote to the sink and its pipes, as opposed to using it for storage. In my case, I was fine with the 6" depth of the original sink, so that's what I looked for in a replacement. (If I could have found a single sink with the same overall dimensions, I'd had been even happier, but no such luck.)Andy Baird
Re: About that kitchen sink... Reply #8 – December 05, 2015, 04:24:00 pm Yahoo Message Number: 157420Hello All...I don't care at this point if I have to replace the sink with the same kind that LD put in at the Mother Ship. You all have given good advice & except for the SS replacement We follow most of it already. The sink has many spider vein like cracks in the surface. I have spoke with Multitech Products. They make a scracht repair kit that matches the Lyon brite star sink but it will not work for small cracks. So I would be happy just to replace with the same type sink. So is there anyone that has done this project?Thanks
Re: About that kitchen sink... Reply #9 – December 06, 2015, 02:18:27 pm Yahoo Message Number: 157433Hi Folks, Very interesting topic. As our sink is new, I want to preserve its finish for as long as possible. I like the idea of rubberized dish pans and plan on getting a couple that flatten for easy storage. I wonder, though, if the acrylic LD sink can be resurfaced. I know that it's a doable fix (if not temporary) for sinks and tubs in the sticks and bricks home. Just wondering. Seems that if it is possible it would be much easier to accomplish than replacing it from what I've been reading in this thread.Kent
Re: About that kitchen sink... Reply #10 – December 07, 2015, 01:38:56 pm Yahoo Message Number: 157451Getting rid of a persistent rust stain in our fiberglass sink I tried a recommended trick. I sliced a lemon in half and squished it into the stain, then left the thing there overnight. Stain was completely gone next morning.Steve
Re: About that kitchen sink... Reply #11 – December 08, 2015, 03:10:50 am Yahoo Message Number: 157467I have changed two LD sinks, replacing one with an aftermarket stainless steel and the other with a Factory acrylic sink. No one has been able to find a drop-in stainless sink, all need major modifications to the counter tops and possibly the drain and water supply lines.. The SS sink I installed was deeper than the stock sink, causing all sorts of problems in getting the sink to drain correctly. As Bob reported, I would never do another one. As much as most would like one big stainless sink, if damaged, replacing it with a stock sink is the easiest solution. Easier is relative. Cutting the stock sink out is a chore since LD glues them in with massive quantities of polyurethane adhesive.Our 12 year old white, acrylic sink still looks OK but has required a bit of maintenance. The worse problem is from coffee stains. Soaking the sink in bleach and then scrubbing with Soft Scub has done the job. https://softscrub.com.Larry
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