Lazy Daze Deliver Date June 21, 2015, 05:40:29 pm Yahoo Message Number: 153469We sent an email to LD that contained several questions to include the projected delivery date on a new LD. We received a prompt reply that answered all our questions to include the projected delivery date for a new order ... (drum roll please) ... 18 months. The hunt for a LD goes on.And so it goes.
Re: Lazy Daze Deliver Date Reply #1 – June 21, 2015, 06:36:14 pm Yahoo Message Number: 153472Wow! It's up to 18 months now? Were you given an explanation for this long wait?Chris
Re: Lazy Daze Deliver Date Reply #2 – June 22, 2015, 01:08:30 pm Yahoo Message Number: 153481We recently took delivery of a '15 TK. Ordered in March, 2014. Delivered in May, 2015. The delay is caused by two issues, per Todd. Difficulty getting the chassis from Ford and a very strong demand for a new LD. They make a guesstimate of how many chassis they will be able to get and when they might arrive then base estimated delivery times on that guesstimate.In '08 we ordered a MB. Four month delivery from the date of the order. Of course, in '08 the economy was in bad shape. Now it's booming for a lot of people so demand for RV's is strong.18 months lead time does make some decisions difficult.Ed
Re: Lazy Daze Deliver Date Reply #3 – June 22, 2015, 01:13:28 pm Yahoo Message Number: 153482Perhaps Lazy Daze can conisider using Chevrolet chassis again?
Re: Lazy Daze Deliver Date Reply #4 – June 22, 2015, 01:28:39 pm Yahoo Message Number: 153483IMO the Ford chassis is worth waiting for. Read any GM reliability specs on their truck line lately? Consumer reports trashed them. I do wish LD offered a diesel model for the durability and fuel mileage. I think at one time you could get the old Ford 7.3 liter oil burner with turbo. Always liked those since I owned a 4X4 with one. It was great for towing.bobmoore14
Re: Lazy Daze Deliver Date Reply #5 – June 22, 2015, 02:08:53 pm Yahoo Message Number: 153484LD briefly offered the diesel option. Don't recall the years. The problem was that the very significant additional weight of the diesel took away a lot from the CCC. It was dropped due to a lack of buyer interest.Ed
Re: Lazy Daze Deliver Date Reply #6 – June 22, 2015, 02:24:48 pm Yahoo Message Number: 153486Not to mention it was a very expensive option (as I recall, around $7,000 back in 2004?). Plus, instead of a gasoline generator which drew from the gas tank, it had a propane generator. I don't remember now whether there was a separate propane tank just for the generator or whether they installed a larger propane tank than the standard (maybe neither?). The diesel engine also wasn't quite the same as the one they put in their trucks. Something was missing, although I don't recall what it was (the turbo booster, maybe?). After 11 years, my memory is a bit fuzzy!
Re: Lazy Daze Deliver Date Reply #7 – June 22, 2015, 03:59:16 pm Yahoo Message Number: 153488The E series van chassis did not have enough room in the engine compartment to fit an intercooler. Without and intercooler, a diesel engine is not as efficient as the same engine with one. This fact also weighed against selecting a diesel in those years.Art (In "balmy" north-eastern Mississippi)
Re: Lazy Daze Deliver Date Reply #8 – June 22, 2015, 05:33:34 pm Yahoo Message Number: 153491Chevrolet builds a darned good truck. Brand loyalty is nice but what is going to happen when Ford stops shipping E series cab chassis altogether?That day is rapidly arriving. No one seems to have any communications with Lazy Daze that indicates their future plans. Will they just quit? Just because there are no Fords, but Chevys are in good supply? I am very happy with the reliability and quality of my 24 year old Chevrolet Lazy Daze. A new one would be nice.
Re: Lazy Daze Deliver Date Reply #9 – June 22, 2015, 06:16:31 pm Yahoo Message Number: 153493"Chevrolet builds a darned good truck" That's funny. I guess Consumer Reports with their educated opinions, exhaustive testing, and lack of advertising must be wrong. Maybe brand loyalty is more important. "First-year reliability of the redesign has been much below average." They said it, I didn't. I have met several LD owners with the Chevy chassis. Most said the motor failed at less than 100K miles and was underpowered. I have seen 2 LD's with Ford chassis that had over 150K running well.Facts speak for themselves. GMC Sierra 1500 Reviews & Ratings - Consumer Reports
Re: Lazy Daze Deliver Date Reply #10 – June 22, 2015, 06:36:17 pm Yahoo Message Number: 153494Hi Group,I find the topic of Lazy Daze delivery times very interesting because I would like to buy a new one. But there is no way I am going to wait 18 months for a new one. I waited 8 months for one in 2003; I knew it would be a long wait due to the popularity of Lazy Daze and the restrictions they had on how many they could produce per year. That had something to do with how many they could paint per year based on some sort of California pollution issue.Back then, there was a lot of participation by the folks on this forum that were ordering a new unit. They would post their order number in a database along with date of order and then post when the actually picked up the unit. This info would allow you to get a fairly good idea of when your coach would be built, allow you to buy tickets to fly to Ca. etc. Why folks don't use that database anymore is beyond me.The point I'm trying to make is that you could tell by the order number, around how many rigs the factory was producing and you could tell they were running around 200 units per year.Anyone have ANY idea how many they make now? I suspect it is a small fraction of what they used to make and it is just my opinion, but I think they don't care how many they sell because they've figured out they can probably make more money doing service work. I don't think they ever ramped production back up or replaced workers they lost or let go during the recession years.I don't buy the story that there is a shortage of Ford chassis. Check Nexus Rv's website and you can see they have inventory of units for delivery. Visit an RV dealer and you will find Class C's for sale built on the Ford chassis. I am currently camped on Michigan's Upper Peninsula, and a new Pleasure Way Class C pulled into the campground today. I went to take a closer look and asked the owners how long they had to wait for their unit (another factory direct builder/seller) and they said around 3 months. I visited their factory a couple years ago and based on what I saw, I thought they were going out of business.(no display units and one unit in production. They seem able to get chassis and advertise in RV publications. Good for them.So why is Lazy Daze having a chassis shortage and other relatively small manufacturers are still able to build units? Just my thinking here but I think Lazy Daze has transitioned from being a manufacturer to a service facility. Hate to say it but I think the writing is on the wall. I do hope I'm wrong but....Steve K. (still loving my 2003 midbath and looking for a newer one. Long live Lazy Daze!)
Re: Lazy Daze Deliver Date ... correction Reply #11 – June 22, 2015, 07:57:14 pm Yahoo Message Number: 153496In my previous post about delivery times, I was in error when I said a Pleasure Way pulled into the campground and the owner waited 3 months. It was a Phoenix Cruiser that they waited 3 months for. And that was the factory we visited a couple years ago that looked like they were not going to be in business much longer due to no units available to view and only one under construction.Steve K.
Re: Lazy Daze Deliver Date Reply #12 – June 22, 2015, 08:16:35 pm Yahoo Message Number: 153497This is silly LD preferred seemed to prefer Chevy but they GM left them sitting twice. GM doesn't even build a van chassis comparable to the E450 at this time as far as far a I know..They started making the really big RV on a GM chassis and after they bought 3 chassis GM discontinued these, again leaving them with only the three units. Years of design down the drain.It has nothing to do with brand loyalty it has to do with what is available...
Re: Lazy Daze Deliver Date Reply #13 – June 22, 2015, 09:23:14 pm Yahoo Message Number: 153499I wonder what will happen when the Ford Chassis is no longer available. Some friends of mine recently bought a Mercedes chassis RV. It is small but gets excellent mileage with a 5 cylinder diesel. Would never work for an LD.Maybe this could be made to work: 2014 Chevy Silverado 3500HD Chassis Cab Truck | GM Fleet
Re: Lazy Daze Deliver Date Reply #14 – June 22, 2015, 10:00:47 pm Yahoo Message Number: 153500I and frankly nobody else has any idea about the future of LD. Wait times is no indication of what the future of LD means. I see no reason to doubt what the factory says about the availability of Ford E 450 bare chassis. Ford will continue to sell their products till they run out of the profit in them. I waited about 15 months, a few extra would not of change my mind. I liked the product. If had to do it again I would wait 18 months. BTW I was at the factory a few months ago and there were two LDs in the display room.
Re: Lazy Daze Deliver Date Reply #15 – June 22, 2015, 10:19:14 pm Yahoo Message Number: 153501The last update from Ford that I have read said they will continue to build the E450 cut-away chassis until the end of 2019. If Ford holds to that schedule then Lazy Daze should be able to build product as-is into 2020. At some point major redesigns would be required to accommodate another chassis. Other options would be to close or cease building and become a repair shop. I bet they have already begun making plans and identifying contingencies. Sure would be nice to know what to expect.Charles
Re: Lazy Daze Deliver Date Reply #16 – June 23, 2015, 07:42:44 am Yahoo Message Number: 153502I am thinking about selling my blue 2013 27RB for $87K. I haven't noticed lately, but it could have less than 13K miles. It has wireless rearview camera system professionally installed by third party, factory-installed heated side mirrors, weathertech floor mats, factory upgraded front seats and dash, new Michelin-replaced tires (due to their recall), and no insulation on tanks, no hydraulic levelers, no electronic steps. Love it. We are in the valley in Oregon. Interested? s/Terry Apple.
Re: Lazy Daze Deliver Date Reply #17 – June 23, 2015, 12:47:32 pm Yahoo Message Number: 153508Your LD sounds wonderful. We have budgeted for a LD from the 2007-2010 model years. If you decide to sell your LD, it ought to move quickly.
Re: Lazy Daze Deliver Date - The future Reply #18 – June 23, 2015, 01:21:09 pm Yahoo Message Number: 153509I don't think anyone knows what the future of Class-Cs and LD is, doubting that Steve will do anything until a new, adequate, cutaway chassis is available, one that appears will be in production for for many years.LD has been burned three times, developing new, HD coaches, only to have Ford and Chevy pull the plug and discontinue production of the chassis The GP30 was produced 1964-67 before Chevy discontinued the chassis. LD developed the short-lived E550 coach, only to have discontinued it after a year of production. Then there was the Kodiac GM chassis. Steve told me they spent nearly million dollars developing it. Only three were produced before GM discontinued the chassis, during their bankruptcy. This is what broke Steve's spritI think Steve has lost his desire to waste time and LD's money on developing a new chassis. At this point, there is no other available Class-C that has the GVW of the E450. The Chevy and Sprinter cutaways have much smaller GVWs. We need more GVW, not less. The new Ford Transit cutaway has low GVW, similar to the Sprinter, plus the engines are small, certainly not adequate for 18-20,000 GCVW loads..A HD truck chassis can be used but, with the engine struck out in front, the wheelbase becomes several feet longer, good for ride quality but terrible for maneuvering.Planning on keeping the LD for a long time.Larry
Re: Lazy Daze Deliver Date - The future Reply #19 – June 23, 2015, 05:45:15 pm Yahoo Message Number: 153513I saw two Jayco Seneca Class C's today. They are built on the Freightliner chassis with the 6.7 liter Cummins diesel engine. As Crocodile Dundee would say, "Now THAT'S a truck chassis." Of course they are a quarter of a million dollars. Not quite in the Lazy Daze price range, but can you imagine one on that chassis? No problems with carrying or towing capacity. Lots of problems figuring out how to pay for it. :-)Dick
Re: Lazy Daze Deliver Date Reply #20 – June 23, 2015, 08:43:44 pm Yahoo Message Number: 153519Thank you to all who replied to my inquiry. I know what not to use now, and also what is best for this problem.Bill
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