Flipping Window! September 09, 2009, 12:40:00 am Yahoo Message Number: 105675We have been really enjoying our new 27'RB around So. Cal mainly in the beach parks. We are still getting familiar with all the nuances of the LD. I get to perform the first pump out tomorrow We now realize that the passenger side sliding window actually opens in the wrong direction IOHO. The way this window opens actually limits the view through the multi pain glass in the opened position and limits the breeze when the side door is open because it opens behind the opened door. Im our opinion it would be much better if the window slid in the opposite direction to eliminate the two issues described above. The question of the day is: Has anyone flipped the window upside down and reinstalled it so that the sliding glass went the other direction? If so, did the screw holes line up once the window was turned upside down or is it more complicated than that?? I live about an hour and one half from the factory and could ask them to change the direction of the window but I was wondering if anyone had already gone down this path before. Anyhoo, we love the LD and are heading out to Yosemite in a week before it gets too cold up there...Thank you Keegan and Brenda
Re: Flipping Window! Reply #1 – September 09, 2009, 01:02:37 am Yahoo Message Number: 105676"The question of the day is: Has anyone flipped the window upside down and reinstalled it so that the sliding glass went the other direction? "Keegan and BrendaIt's more complicated than just flipping the window over. The window frame has a top and bottom. The bottom track has built-in water drains. To change directions will require a new window, built to slide the opposite way. LD should be able to order and install one if you are willing to pay for it. "The way this window opens actually limits the view through the multi pain glass in the opened position" That's the way all of the sliding windows work. The slider needs to go somewhere.Larry
Re: Flipping Window! Reply #2 – September 09, 2009, 01:50:23 am Yahoo Message Number: 105677Quote "The way this window opens actually limits the view through the multi pain glass in the opened position" That's the way all of the sliding windows work. The slider needs to go somewhere. Actually, I did not describe the issue with the best accuracy. When the window is open and the door is open, the door half-way blocks the view out of the screen portion of the open window. If the window slid the opposite direction then the door would not be in the way and therefore would not block view or breeze through the open window. This would allow for optimized view while sitting on the sofa looking out.This of course is an acceptable issue in such a fine RV.Keegan
Re: Flipping Window! Reply #3 – September 09, 2009, 02:41:32 am Yahoo Message Number: 105680"If the window slid the opposite direction then the door would not be
Re: Flipping Window! Reply #4 – September 09, 2009, 06:38:45 am Yahoo Message Number: 105682Quote "We now realize that the passenger side sliding window actually opens in the wrong direction IOHO. The question of the day is: Has anyone flipped the window upside down and reinstalled it so that the sliding glass went the other direction?"Keegan and Brenda Keegan & Brenda Think about it... if you were to "flip" that window the two panes, fixed and slider, would act as a big 'scoop' to allow rain water to enter, under pressure, while you are driving. I doubt if you'd want that. Also treat those locking levers gently... many of us have had to replace them after using undo force. Locked is 'up' on the drivers side and down on the passenger side. Easy on the elbow grease!Steve S. Lazy Bones & Jiggs
Re: Flipping Window! Reply #5 – September 09, 2009, 09:51:30 am Yahoo Message Number: 105687"The way this window opens actually limits the view through the multi pain glass in the opened position and limits the breeze when the side door is open because it opens behind the opened door." Limiting the view can't be helped--as Larry said, it has to go somewhere--but I've always thought it was less than optimal that the opened door blocks air circulation through the window. It really would make more sense if it slid the other way. But it doesn't bother me enough to consider changing it, which would be a major operation.Andy Baird http://www.andybaird.com/travels/
Re: Flipping Window! Reply #6 – September 09, 2009, 09:54:05 am Yahoo Message Number: 105688"Locked is 'up' on the drivers side and down on the passenger side." I found it confusing to have to remember that one side was different from the other, so I flipped each lock to the open position and then sanded off the paint on that side of the tab. Now I can tell at a glance if a window lock is not secured--the brushed silver appearance of the tab is a dead giveaway.Andy Baird http://www.andybaird.com/travels/
Re: Flipping Window! Reply #7 – September 09, 2009, 11:05:56 am Yahoo Message Number: 105692Quote From: andybaird2000 To: lifewithalazydazerv@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 6:53 AM Subject: [LD] Re: Flipping Window!"Locked is 'up' on the drivers side and down on the passenger side." I found it confusing to have to remember that one side was different from the other, so I flipped each lock to the open position and then sanded off the paint on that side of the tab. Now I can tell at a glance if a window lock is not secured--the brushed silver appearance of the tab is a dead giveaway.Andy Baird http://www.andybaird.com/travels/Good idea to mark them, Andy. I think it'd be just as easy to put a dab of paint or fingernail polish on the lever, rather than sanding off the finish leaving bare aluminum.bumper
Re: Flipping Window! Reply #8 – September 09, 2009, 11:20:55 am Yahoo Message Number: 105693On Sep 9, 2009, at 11:04 AM, bumperm wrote:Quote Good idea to mark them, Andy. I think it'd be just as easy to put a dab of paint or fingernail polish on the lever, rather than sanding off the finish leaving bare aluminum.bumper Years ago, I followed "nukamper's" suggestion and pasted tiny red dots on the lever to indicate an unlocked window. To make them, I punched holes in file labels with a single-handed hole punch and pasted the "holes" onto the lever. Thanks again, Steve!Lorna, Hunting Island, SC
Re: Flipping Window! Reply #9 – September 09, 2009, 11:25:01 am Yahoo Message Number: 105694"I think it'd be just as easy to put a dab of paint or fingernail polish on the lever, rather than sanding off the finish leaving bare aluminum." You're right; it would be easier than sanding, and I thought about using paint at first. But paint will chip and wear off eventually. And the brushed-metal finish I ended up with actually looks quite classy... if you didn't know, you'd think the latches were built that way. :-)Andy Baird http://www.andybaird.com/travels/
Re: Flipping Window! Reply #10 – September 09, 2009, 11:31:25 am Yahoo Message Number: 105696We struggled with this issue for a long time. After a year or two we realized with all the windows open all we had to do is keep the door closed....)best, paulPS> Had we been younger we might have discovered this earlier...
Re: Flipping Window! Reply #11 – September 09, 2009, 01:35:22 pm Yahoo Message Number: 105704Quote We struggled with this issue for a long time. After a year or two we realized with all the windows open all we had to do is keep the door closed....)best, paulPS> Had we been younger we might have discovered this earlier... " Actually, I did not describe the issue with the best accuracy. When the window is open and the door is open, the door half-way blocks the view out of the screen portion of the open window. If the window slid the opposite direction then the door would not be in the way and therefore would not block view or breeze through the open window. This would allow for optimized view while sitting on the sofa looking out." In the spirit of beating this already dead horse, I am looking out the open window with the door open and blocking about half of the screened area; however, the screen door immediately to the right is as wide as the screen area blocked by the open door, so in the final analysis, no cross ventilation is lost, only part of the view blocked by the door frame - but not much. Whew!Chris Horst 2002 30' IB Arvada, CO (currently at the Trailer Ranch in beautiful Santa Fe)
Re: Flipping Window! Reply #12 – September 09, 2009, 02:31:19 pm Yahoo Message Number: 105708Quote Chris Horst 2002 30' IB currently at the Trailer Ranch in beautiful Santa Fe Hey Chris... Kindly leave my favorite Santa Fe diggs as you found them, excellent! And, have you had the opportunity to eat at Tomasita's, near the old Santa Fe Railroad station, downtown. You're missing something if you don't.Happy travels,Steve S. Lazy Bones & Jiggs
Re: Flipping Window! Reply #13 – September 09, 2009, 03:21:22 pm Yahoo Message Number: 105710"Kindly leave my favorite Santa Fe diggs as you found them, excellent! And, have you had the opportunity to eat at Tomasita's, near the old Santa Fe Railroad station, downtown."Steve After the 2007 balloon Festival, we stayed at Trailer Ranch, at your suggestion, and found it to be to be clean, quiet and conveniently close to downtown. Good choice. Tomasita's has been our favorite Santa Fe eatery for years. It's always packed with locals. The red and green chile sauces are great and the margaritas potent. The neighborhood has lots of interesting shops to explore.Larry
Re: Flipping Window! Reply #14 – September 09, 2009, 04:11:30 pm Yahoo Message Number: 105714"After the 2007 balloon Festival, we stayed at Trailer Ranch, at your suggestion, and found it to be to be clean, quiet and conveniently close to downtown. Good choice.Quote Tomasita's has been our favorite Santa Fe eatery for years. It's always packed with locals. The red and green chile sauces are great and the margaritas potent.Larry Thanks Larry, there's nothing better than a first person testimonial.Steve S. Lazy Bones & Jiggs
Re: Flipping Window! - now Trailer Ranch Reply #15 – September 09, 2009, 04:18:53 pm Yahoo Message Number: 105716Quote"Kindly leave my favorite Santa Fe diggs as you found them, excellent! And, have you had the opportunity to eat at Tomasita's, near the old Santa Fe Railroad station, downtown."Steve "After the 2007 balloon Festival, we stayed at Trailer Ranch, at your suggestion, and found it to be to be clean, quiet and conveniently close to downtown. Good choice. Tomasita's has been our favorite Santa Fe eatery for years. It's always packed with locals. The red and green chile sauces are great and the margaritas potent. The neighborhood has lots of interesting shops to explore."Larry I will vouch for the Trailer Ranch, too. I usually avoid these urban RV parks but needed to be in the city - and just the name "Trailer Ranch" conjures up the worst stereotypical mental image of a shabby trailer park. Opened in the 50s, about half of it has been converted to RV spaces which are a little close together. Park mgt is competent and friendly; the facilities are clean, functional and abundant, and there are lots of mature shade trees. $30 per night with Good Sam discount seemed about right, if not pretty good, for in-town Santa Fe. The owner told me this is the busiest season they've ever had.Chris
Re: Flipping Window! Reply #16 – September 09, 2009, 06:59:47 pm Yahoo Message Number: 105723QuoteHas anyone flipped the window upside down and reinstalled it so that the sliding glass went the other direction? If so, did the screw holes line up once the window was turned upside down or is it more complicated than that?? Steve S. answered you correctly, but the reason you'd have a problem is that the window frame bottom has drain channels and holes to allow water to exit - the top does not. However, the screws simply clamp the inside retainer to the window frame, so if you were to flip both, the screws would line up.Steve (B.)
Re: Flipping Window! Reply #17 – September 09, 2009, 07:17:43 pm Yahoo Message Number: 105724"in the final analysis, no cross ventilation is lost..." True, Chris... but none is gained, which seems a pity. Like Paul, I simply leave the door closed, since opening it doesn't help with ventilation.Andy Baird http://www.andybaird.com/travels/
Re: Flipping Window! Reply #18 – September 09, 2009, 07:46:20 pm Yahoo Message Number: 105726I had occasion to have a broken window glass replaced with the window supplier that the Mothership recommends (they are in Montclair, but I don't remember the name of the supplier). During a discussion the counter person asked if I wanted to replace the frame and glass or just the glass. She assured me that the complete windows were readily available in many configurations. In thinking over your question, what would be the problem buying the entire window built in reverse of what LD installs? I'm sure that it's available by special order. Just a thought... Steve
Re: Flipping Window! Reply #19 – September 10, 2009, 04:44:40 pm Yahoo Message Number: 105757Well, based on all the advise to flipping the window I think we will leave it alone. I did not really think of the water issue. I guess out of that window when the door is open we will only be able to have a $500k view instead of the $$$Million dollar view we can get out of the other windows..could be worse I guess. Keegan
Re: Flipping Window! Reply #20 – September 10, 2009, 08:55:26 pm Yahoo Message Number: 105764Quote Actually, I did not describe the issue with the best accuracy. When the window is open and the door is open, the door half-way blocks the view out of the screen portion of the open window. If the window slid the opposite direction then the door would not be in the way and therefore would not block view or breeze through the open window. This would allow for optimized view while sitting on the sofa looking out.This of course is an acceptable issue in such a fine RV.Keegan One advantage of leaving the window "as factory installed" is that at night when someone knocks on your door you do not have to open the door. Just slide the side window open a bit and start the conversation with some security.Djaugh (26.5 RB)
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