Paper Towel Holder June 07, 2009, 10:44:52 am Yahoo Message Number: 103035Hello from Sunny Maine! I've managed to get my hands on the Radio Shack version of 3M Dual Lock (which is not to be found in any area Home Depot or Lowe's) and I am now returning to my idea of mounting my paper towel holder under the cabinet over the kitchen sink (26.5 MB)...anyone have any experience with this? I know it's a simple job, but my previous attempts with heavy duty velcros failed, and rather quickly at that. So before I start sticking things onto the wood, what's the collective experience? When I spoke w/ Steve in February about mounting the paper towel holder with screws in several locations, he did not recommend it whatsoever. Also...haven't seen RV-Tec on the shelves since Las Cruces in December! Not even in Albquerque...Andy, where are you picking it up?TinaP 2006 MB "Wild Thing"
Re: Paper Towel Holder Reply #1 – June 07, 2009, 11:17:21 am Yahoo Message Number: 103036wrote: "...about mounting the paper towel holder with screws in several locations, he did not recommend it whatsoever." --- Tina, FWIW, I tried a couple of different adhesives and adhesive tapes to mount the (plastic) paper towel holder under a cabinet in my TK; the "slick" plastic surface of the finish didn't hold the adhesive, and the paper towel holder ended up in the sink or the floor both times. Screw it, I thought, so I did. It's still there.Joan
Re: Paper Towel Holder Reply #2 – June 07, 2009, 11:29:57 am Yahoo Message Number: 103037Quote.. to mount the (plastic) paper towel holder under a cabinet in my TK; the "slick" plastic surface of the finish didn't hold the adhesive ... Screw it, I thought, so I did. It's still there. LOL, my TK came with a sturdy wooden paper towel holder already installed above the sink, securely screwed in right behind the light. I think you'd want the type of holder that has a bar that goes through the roll so it turns freely, rather than the type that grabs into the ends and requires more pulling force for use.Joanne in Boston NE-44
Re: Paper Towel Holder Reply #3 – June 07, 2009, 12:19:54 pm Yahoo Message Number: 103039Quote From: cpratt04097 To: lifewithalazydazerv@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 7:44 AM Subject: [LD] Paper Towel HolderWhen I spoke w/ Steve in February about mounting the paper towel holder with screws in several locations, he did not recommend it whatsoever.TinaP 2006 MB "Wild Thing""Screw it." There tends to be an underlying mentality at LD, that the factory knows best (and they usually do - - though not always), and that the customer knows nothing (that's usually wrong - - though not always). Have a look as the screws that come with the towel holder, most include screws. Hold up the drill you will use for making the pilot holes and one of the screws with the drill in front of the screw so you can "sight" past the drill and see the threads of the screw. The drill should "block" from view only the inner shank (minor thread diameter) of the screw, leaving all of the sharp screw thread visible on each side of the drill. A too small drill is better than a too large one. Place a full roll or paper towels in the holder for spacing and position the holder in the desired location. Use masking tape to mark the location of the base. Remove towel roll and reposition empty holder in place and mark hole position with pencel, sharp awl, or similar. Drill pilot holes and mount with screws using hand screwdriver (not a power driver, as it can strip out holes in the thin plywood). Hints: When driving screws into solid thicker wood, if you happen to hit a stud or wood reinforcement, it is helpful to first rub screws against a parrafin wax block or candle to lubricate threads for easier screw driving. If you do strip out threads, use a wooden match stick or toothpick and coat with white wood glue. With other screw/s installed, push stick through towel holder base and into screw hole, breaking it off cleanly. Usually no need to wait until glue is dry, but carefully reinstall screw in hole alongside matchstick, tightening gently. If you are installing into thin plywood and can use a couple of extra screws, that's good too. Don't forget that you can often resort to using "wall anchor" molly or toggle type screws, or even the little plastic push in anchors (that come with darn near everthing that comes with screws) if there is a large enough void behind wall to accomodate them.all the best,bumper Yonder Minden, NV
Re: Paper Towel Holder Reply #4 – June 07, 2009, 01:08:10 pm Yahoo Message Number: 103040Hi Tina, We screwed in the paper towel holder into the wall just below the upper left hand cabinet over the kitchen sink. Works great. No problems. Fashioned out a white coathanger design according to Andy's suggestions to hold paper in place and that also works fine. I think if you use short screws that it is not a problem. If we listened to Steve for everything, we would not have half the improvements we made, especially with the kayak/canoe rack.Best, David Back in Bluejean/Eugene, OR (1998 MB LD)
Re: Paper Towel Holder Reply #5 – June 07, 2009, 01:16:44 pm Yahoo Message Number: 103043Quote Hello from Sunny Maine! I've managed to get my hands on the Radio Shack version of 3M Dual Lock (which is not to be found in any area Home Depot or Lowe's) and I am now returning to my idea of mounting my paper towel holder under the cabinet over the kitchen sink (26.5 MB)...anyone have any experience with this? Tina, we prefer the vertical towel rack that fits nicely behind the sink in our MB. No need for screwing. http://tinyurl.com/ltgdnmJoe Hamm
Re: Paper Towel Holder Reply #6 – June 07, 2009, 03:29:14 pm Yahoo Message Number: 103052That's good advice and one could also use glue along with the screws. A glue that remains somewhat flexible would be good, I might go with shoe goo or contact cement. I just hung a towel rack in the bathroom and didn't use glue but now think I will take it off sand the surface and apply some adhesive and put it back on.Michelle Ress Felton, CA http://safoocat.blogspot.com/Don't forget that you can often resort to using "wall anchor" molly or toggle type screws, or even the little plastic push in anchors (that come with darn near everthing that comes with screws) if there is a large enough void behind wall to accomodate them.all the best,bumper Yonder Minden, NV[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: Paper Towel Holder Reply #7 – June 07, 2009, 04:57:26 pm Yahoo Message Number: 103058Dual Lock/Superlock tape would work--it has an adhesive that won't let go even in hot weather--but I use 1/2" #6 screws to mount things like paper towel holders. The #6 size is large enough in diameter that the threads get a good grip on whatever you put them into; and the 1/2" length is short enough that very little of the screw ends up inside the wall or cabinet, so the likelihood of puncturing anything is next to zero. "I think you'd want the type of holder that has a bar that goes through the roll so it turns freely, rather than the type that grabs into the ends and requires more pulling force for use." I'd say just the opposite. A roll of paper towels that turns freely will unroll freely as you drive down the road, or as a breeze blows through that kitchen window. I prefer the kind of holder that grips the ends and provides a little friction--enough to discourage wanton towel behavior. ;-)Andy Baird http://www.andybaird.com/travels/
Re: Paper Towel Holder Reply #8 – June 07, 2009, 05:07:43 pm Yahoo Message Number: 103060"Don't forget that you can often resort to using 'wall anchor' molly or toggle type screws, or even the little plastic push in anchors (that come with darn near everthing that comes with screws) if there is a large enough void behind wall to accomodate them." For what it's worth, I've tried both types and had very poor luck. There wasn't enough space behind the paneling for even the shortest metal expanding fasteners ("Molys") I tried, and the plastic ones were unable to grip the thin paneling enough to stay in place. It was after trying these that I ended up with the 1/2" #6 screws.Andy Baird http://www.andybaird.com/travels/
Re: Paper Towel Holder Reply #9 – June 07, 2009, 05:32:12 pm Yahoo Message Number: 103066QuoteI'd say just the opposite. A roll of paper towels that turns freely will unroll freely as you drive down the road, or as a breeze blows through that kitchen window. That's the one thing (among others) that I like about Viva paper towels...they don't unroll. It's the only brand we buy now.Linda Hylton http://map.datastormusers.com/user1.cfm?user=1167 http://earl-linda.blogspot.com/
Re: Paper Towel Holder Reply #10 – June 07, 2009, 05:59:48 pm Yahoo Message Number: 103070Quote "I think you'd want the type of holder that has a bar that goes through the roll so it turns freely, rather than the type that grabs into the ends and requires more pulling force for use." I'd say just the opposite. A roll of paper towels that turns freely will unroll freely as you drive down the road, or as a breeze blows through that kitchen window. I prefer the kind of holder that grips the ends and provides a little friction--enough to discourage wanton towel behavior. ;-)Andy Baird http://www.andybaird.com/travels We prefer the free-turning roll. Simply squeeze the fresh roll of paper towels into an oval before putting it on the dowel. Wanton behavior is thus discouraged. Perhaps this thread could evolve (devolve?) into a discussion of whether one puts the toilet paper on the holder with the sheets dispensing from the top and out or against the wall and under. http://tinyurl.com/5cfft8Chris
Re: Paper Towel Holder Reply #11 – June 07, 2009, 07:01:51 pm Yahoo Message Number: 103078I second what Andy has said about the paper towel holder, using 1/2 inch #6 screws. It's a very easy way to secure the paper holder (in a stud). Regarding the paper towel unrolling on the road, ours did for the first few miles until I looked at Andy's CD. He gives directions for adjusting/bending white plastic-coated clothes hanger wire into a shape that rides over the roll. This is also screwed into the wall on top of the paper so as to prevent it from unraveling. It has worked great now for over 10,000 miles. (I was excited at the time as it was the first thing I made that actually worked using white plastic clothes hanger wire). All the necessary bending can be done by hand and small pliers or wirecutter.David (1998 MB LD)
Re: Paper Towel Holder Reply #12 – June 07, 2009, 10:32:19 pm Yahoo Message Number: 103094If bent coat hangars aren't your thing (no offense, Andy . . . I do acknowledge there's a place in this world for bent coat hangars) . . . Another way to stop paper towels from unrolling is to drape a small chain or cord with weight over the roll. The chain or cord being attached over or behind the roll so the chain or cord drapes over and rests against the roll. I've only used this in the shop or hangar, but I suppose it could be done decoratively by adding some sort of knick-knack as the weight.bumper
Re: Paper Towel Holder Reply #13 – June 07, 2009, 11:14:24 pm Yahoo Message Number: 103096Perhaps this thread could evolve (devolve?) into a discussion of whether one puts the toilet paper on the holder with the sheets dispensing from the top and out or against the wall and under. Quotehttp://tinyurl.com/5cfft8 ================================== Chris: TROUBLEMAKER!!
Re: Paper Towel Holder Reply #14 – June 07, 2009, 11:39:01 pm Yahoo Message Number: 103099"Another way to stop paper towels from unrolling is to drape a small chain or cord with weight over the roll." Great idea, and very easy to do. Fasten one end to the holder, put a weight on the other... that should do the trick!Andy Baird http://www.andybaird.com/travels/
Re: Paper Towel Holder Reply #15 – June 08, 2009, 12:55:59 am Yahoo Message Number: 103104Quote From: Anne Johnson To: lifewithalazydazerv@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 8:14 PM Subject: [LD] Re: Paper Towel Holder Perhaps this thread could evolve (devolve?) into a discussion of whether one puts the toilet paper on the holder with the sheets dispensing from the top and out or against the wall and under. http://tinyurl.com/5cfft8 ================================== Chris: TROUBLEMAKER!!I'm with Ann on this! By the way, it's from the top and out . . . anyone with half a clue knows that's the only proper way. To do otherwise upsets the natural forces of nature and interferes with the coriolis effect - - which will likely prevent proper flushing of the toilet. Duh!bumper :c) Yonder Minden NV
Re: Paper Towel Holder Reply #16 – June 08, 2009, 09:38:44 am Yahoo Message Number: 103110Or just wrap a tiny bungee around it. The bag of bungees from Costco may be the handiest thing we bought for our LD ;-)Karen
Re: Paper Towel Holder Reply #17 – June 08, 2009, 10:51:34 am Yahoo Message Number: 103112I will have to chime in on this one because I've tried most all the "keep the paper towel roll from rolling when traveling" tricks. Now I use Viva towels because they don't want to roll in the first place, and just to make sure they don't roll, I use one of those stick pins that are made for bulletin boards. Just stick it in the roll on the top sheet and the roll won't roll. When you get to your destination, just pull out the stick pin and that is all there is to it. You can now get different shapes if you don't like the simple ones. The most simple of all "tricks". JMHO, of course.Judy Wms.Blue '07 RB "Dog Daze"And all the fur kids[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: Paper Towel Holder Reply #18 – June 08, 2009, 11:27:26 am Yahoo Message Number: 103113On Jun 8, 2009, at 10:51 AM, Judy Williams wrote:Quote... I use one of those stick pins that are made for bulletin boards. Just stick it in the roll on the top sheet and the roll won't roll. When you get to your destination, just pull out the stick pin and that is all there is to it. ~~~~~~~~~ Judy, that's what I do too. And I put a little blob of "museum putty" on top of my hanging towel holder to hold the pin when I'm not underway.Lorna Waiting for the mobile RV tech to unfreeze (remove) the lock on my GenSet door.
Re: Paper Towel Holder Reply #19 – June 08, 2009, 11:43:13 am Yahoo Message Number: 103115And I put a little blob of "museum Quoteputty" on top of my hanging towel holder to hold the pin when I'm not underway. Lorna, that's a great idea...I was always misplacing the straight pin I used to keep the paper towel roll from unraveling! Of course, now that I'm using Viva paper towels, I don't have to worry about the paper towel unrolling, so don't use anything.Linda Hylton http://map.datastormusers.com/user1.cfm?user=1167 http://earl-linda.blogspot.com/
Re: Paper Towel Holder Reply #20 – June 08, 2009, 11:52:47 am Yahoo Message Number: 103116QuoteThis is the most elegant solutions yet. The KISS principle in action "Keep It Simple Stupid". I live by this. Thanks Analog EdOn Jun 8, 2009, at 10:51 AM, Judy Williams wrote:... I use one of those stick pins that are made for bulletin boards. Just stick it in the roll on the top sheet and the roll won't roll. When you get to your destination, just pull out the stick pin and that is all there is to it.~~~~~~~~~ Judy, that's what I do too. And I put a little blob of "museum putty" on top of my hanging towel holder to hold the pin when I'm not underway.Lorna Waiting for the mobile RV tech to unfreeze (remove) the lock on my GenSet door.
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