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DISCHARGING COACH BATTERY
Yahoo Message Number: 99433
After plugging into home to fully charge coach batteries(registering highest charge) when I get to campground the coach batteries register 2/3 to 1/2 charge. What is drainging the coach batteries on way to campground ??

Re: DISCHARGING COACH BATTERY
Reply #1
Yahoo Message Number: 99435
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 To: lifewithalazydazerv@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 9:45 PM
 Subject: [LD] DISCHARGING COACH BATTERY

What is drainging the coach batteries on way to campground ??
 How old are the batteries? Have they been stored in a discharged condition for any length of time?
 Your problem could be that the batteries are sulfated and are only accepting a surface charge. This means the batteries look good as far as charged voltage and current acceptance is concerned, but if you checked them with a hydrometer, the readings would be unacceptable.
 If the above isn't the case, then you might want to first charge the batteries. Now, assuming you don't have a proper battery monitor like the Link-10 etc installed, remove the negative terminal and connect a current meter from the negative battery terminal to the cable you just removed (if you have a monitor like the Link-10 it will give you current readings without disconnecting the battery terminal etc.
 Is there current flow with all appliances turned off? If so how much (there will be a few milliamps due to the propane detector etc.), you should be able to isolate the load (or short) by removing all the DC fuses and then installing them one-at-a-time while checking the meter to see which circuit is causing the current drain.

bumper

bumper
bumper
"Yonder" '05 MB
"WLDBLU" glider trailer

Re: DISCHARGING COACH BATTERY
Reply #2
Yahoo Message Number: 99454
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Your problem could be that the batteries are sulfated and are only accepting a surface charge. This means the batteries look good as far as charged voltage and current acceptance is concerned, but if you checked them with a hydrometer, the readings would be unacceptable.
Would a battery desulfator solve this problem?  Do desulfator really work?

Sam

Re: DISCHARGING COACH BATTERY
Reply #3
Yahoo Message Number: 99459
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Would a battery desulfator solve this problem?  Do desulfator really work?

Sam
Several good charge cycles will dissolve a mild case of sulfation. If not, the problem is a battery that is cheaper to replace than throwing money at it... then replacing it shortly anyway.

Steve
2004 FL
2013 Honda Fit

Battery
Reply #4
Yahoo Message Number: 99481
Hi Everyone,
 For those who answered me regarding the Solar Panels, Thank you so much.  I am still looking for a place in Los Angeles to purchase them cheap or used.

Solar Bills is too far for me to drive coming from Pasadena, Calif.

If anyone knows a place near Los Angeles please tell me.

I have a few questions:

1. I have a Costco Marine/RV coach battery that is dead and I need to replace it.  I took the
 battery out and Kragen told me it is holding 7.0 volts.  That I need a new battery.

I can either buy the same brand from Costco and do an easy swap.
 ...but I have been reading the archives and they say it would be better to buy 2 6 volt Golf batteries from Costco for 75$ each.
 I was going to do that, but looking at the size it does not look like 2 batteries will fit in the engine where the original battery was.

I have a 1983 LD TK 23.5 footer.
 What are my best options.  I am preparing to buy at least an 85 watt or 120 watt solar panel for my needs. and then have to figure out how to connect the wires to my battery where ever it is going to be.
 Does anyone know the best way to install my 2 6 volt batteries from Costco in my 1983 LD? if it is suppose to be installed under the sink somewhere, how do you run the wires that are in the engine compartment?
 ...another question when I am using the house battery and not plugged in shore power.
Does the 1983 LD have a built in inverter to use the 110v oultets?  or do i have to buy a 400w inverter and connect it to the coach battery?

appreciate the help?

Ace 1983 LD TK

Re: Battery
Reply #5
Yahoo Message Number: 99484
You'll be much happier with two batteries, I think. But you'll have to find a place to put them that can be vented to the exterior.
Flooded-cell batteries 9such as the 6V Trojan T-105s that Lazy Daze uses or the 6V batteries from Costco that you mentioned) emit hydrogen when charging. So the compartment they're kept in must be vented near the top to allow the lighter-than-air gas to escape safely, instead of building up to a potentially explosive mixture.

If you buy 6V batteries, they'll need to be wired in series to give you 12V. Don't forget to include a circuit breaker in the positive line--code says it should be within a foot of the battery.
 "if it is suppose to be installed under the sink somewhere, how do you run the wires that are in the engine compartment?"
 There's no place in an '83 Lazy Daze where you are "supposed" to put two batteries, because the factory didn't design it with that in mind.
That doesn't mean it's a bad idea! --just that unlike LDs built from 1985 onward, your 1983 coach doesn't have a dedicated outside battery compartment that can hold two batteries. You're going to have to improvise: find a compartment that you can fit your batteries into, make vent holes near the top of its lid, and reroute your wiring to it.

You'll need to run very heavy cable from the new batteries to the converter/fuse panel, wherever that is, and medium-weight cable from the batteries to the isolator (located under the hood). You'll probably also want to remove the existing wiring from the old factory-installed "auxiliary" (coach) battery under the hood.

if you're not familiar with high-current, low-voltage DC wiring safety, get help from somebody who is--or hand over the job to a professional RV tech. This isn't like rewiring a flashlight; the currents involved here can easily start a fire that will burn down your rig in a scant few minutes. If you're not sure of what you're doing, don't risk doing the job yourself.
 If this all sounds like a lot of work, it is. Your reward will be much more freedom to use your lights, fans and so on. As a bonus, since you won't be pushing your batteries as hard, they'll last a lot longer. :-)
 "Does the 1983 LD have a built in inverter to use the 110v outlets? Or do I have to buy a 400w inverter and connect it to the coach battery?"

As far as I know, the factory was not installing inverters in 1983, and they have never provided an inverter that powers all the coach's outlets. If you want AC power, you'll need to buy a 300W-400W inverter and wire it directly to the coach battery or batteries. (Plugging it into a 12V cigarette-lighter jack will only get you about 120W, regardless of the inverter's rating.)
 Keep in mind that heavy use of AC appliances will drain your battery pretty quickly. If you only have one battery and one solar panel to recharge it, an inverter is best used for light-duty jobs like powering a laptop computer, cell phone charger or the like.

Andy Baird http://www.andybaird.com/travels/
Andy Baird
2021 Ford Ranger towing 2019 Airstream 19CB
Previously: 1985 LD Twin/King "Gertie"; 2003 LD Midbath "Skylark"

Re: Battery
Reply #6
Yahoo Message Number: 99486
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You'll be much happier with two batteries, I think. But you'll have to find a place to put them that can be vented to the exterior.
Flooded-cell batteries 9such as the 6V Trojan T-105s that Lazy Daze uses or the 6V batteries from Costco that you mentioned) emit hydrogen when charging. So the compartment they're kept in must be vented near the top to allow the lighter-than-air gas to escape safely, instead of building up to a potentially explosive mixture.

If you buy 6V batteries, they'll need to be wired in series to give you 12V. Don't forget to include a circuit breaker in the positive line--code says it should be within a foot of the battery.
 "if it is suppose to be installed under the sink somewhere, how do you run the wires that are in the engine compartment?"
 There's no place in an '83 Lazy Daze where you are "supposed" to put two batteries, because the factory didn't design it with that in mind.
That doesn't mean it's a bad idea! --just that unlike LDs built from 1985 onward, your 1983 coach doesn't have a dedicated outside battery compartment that can hold two batteries. You're going to have to improvise: find a compartment that you can fit your batteries into, make vent holes near the top of its lid, and reroute your wiring to it.

You'll need to run very heavy cable from the new batteries to the converter/fuse panel, wherever that is, and medium-weight cable from the batteries to the isolator (located under the hood). You'll probably also want to remove the existing wiring from the old factory-installed "auxiliary" (coach) battery under the hood.

if you're not familiar with high-current, low-voltage DC wiring safety, get help from somebody who is--or hand over the job to a professional RV tech. This isn't like rewiring a flashlight; the currents involved here can easily start a fire that will burn down your rig in a scant few minutes. If you're not sure of what you're doing, don't risk doing the job yourself.
 If this all sounds like a lot of work, it is. Your reward will be much more freedom to use your lights, fans and so on. As a bonus, since you won't be pushing your batteries as hard, they'll last a lot longer. :-)
 "Does the 1983 LD have a built in inverter to use the 110v outlets? Or do I have to buy a 400w inverter and connect it to the coach battery?"

As far as I know, the factory was not installing inverters in 1983, and they have never provided an inverter that powers all the coach's outlets. If you want AC power, you'll need to buy a 300W-400W inverter and wire it directly to the coach battery or batteries. (Plugging it into a 12V cigarette-lighter jack will only get you about 120W, regardless of the inverter's rating.)
 Keep in mind that heavy use of AC appliances will drain your battery pretty quickly. If you only have one battery and one solar panel to recharge it, an inverter is best used for light-duty jobs like powering a laptop computer, cell phone charger or the like.

Andy Baird http://www.andybaird.com/travels/
Hi Andy,
 Thanks for the reply.  is it possible to have 3 batteries then?  Keep the auxilary battery in the engine and somehow wire 2 6 volts under the sink?
 Also, is it possible to have an inverter connected to the auxilary battery and plug in the main plug from the coach that usually plugs to the shore power? and the ac outlets will work?

Thanks for your help.  I bought your CD "Eureka" I love it.

Ace 83' LD TK eagle rock , calif

Re: Battery
Reply #7
Yahoo Message Number: 99490
"Is it possible to have 3 batteries then? Keep the auxilary battery in the engine and somehow wire 2 6 volts under the sink?"

As noted in a recent message, that's not a good idea. All the batteries on a circuit need to be 1) the same type, 2) the same size,
3) the same age, and 4) located within a few inches of each other. If
 not, they'll work inefficiently (so you won't get the power you paid for) and their lifespans will probably be shortened (so you'll have to replace them sooner).
 "is it possible to have an inverter connected to the auxilary battery and plug in the main plug from the coach that usually plugs to the shore power? and the ac outlets will work?"

Yes, you could do this, since your coach has a 15A plug. If you do, you'll need to be very careful not to overload the inverter--or for that matter, to drain your battery. It would be very easy to do this, since many 120V appliances use much more power than a 400W inverter and one or even two batteries can supply. Coffeemakers, hair dryers, air conditioners, microwave ovens... anything that heats or cools is likely to be an energy hog. As I said yesterday, with your setup you'll find that a laptop computer and one or two small battery chargers are about as fancy as you want to get with the inverter.

Andy Baird http://www.andybaird.com/travels/
Andy Baird
2021 Ford Ranger towing 2019 Airstream 19CB
Previously: 1985 LD Twin/King "Gertie"; 2003 LD Midbath "Skylark"

Re: Battery
Reply #8
Yahoo Message Number: 99503
I run my 13" Flat screen off a 400 watt inverter fairly effectively.  But I think the max wattage it pulls is about 45 watts.  Really not much.  At the same time I watch DVDs on the flat screen with my 12 volt DVD player and 500 Watt amplified stereo with subwoofer.  Of course I don't have it turned up all the way, so it's realistically probably pulling maybe another 100 watts of power off my house batteries at the same time.  No issues running it all.  But I also have a 115 W solar panel on top to keep some re-charging going on while I'm sucking all this energy out of my batteries.
Realistically I think it would be a waste of time and money to run the inverter into the plugs on your motorhome.  You will only effectively be able to run one electrical device at a time, or maybe two if they have a small power draw, and it's much more efficient to plug them straight into the inverter.  The important thing about an inverter that will really determine its ability to even come close to putting out the rated wattage, is to have large wires running from your house batteries to the inverter.  I have mine direct wired with 6 gauge wire.  That helps immensely.  Before I hard wired it into the batteries and was just plugging into the lighter jack next to the TV stand it would barely run anything.  Even charging a laptop would overload it.  Inverters are nice for low power draw items like I mentioned, but to really run anything serious off one, you need to spend a fairly decent amount of cash and get a high quality inverter, and you need to have at least twin 6 volt batteries, and at least one solar panel if not two or three to get the kind of power needed to run stuff like a microwave or coffee brewer or hair dryers etc.  They will deplete your house batteries pretty quickly running any major items.  If I need to microwave some popcorn I fire up the generator.  I have seen setups out there that have huge inverters and huge battery banks that can actually run twin A/C units.  But these types of systems cost lots of cash.  I'm talking about maybe 10,000.00 or more into the charging, battery and inverter systems.

Question on bolt heads poking up under linoleum floors
Reply #9
Yahoo Message Number: 99507
Hello,
 First of all thanks to everyone for answering my questions about my furnace and on how to remove my toilet.  I'll start some of the work this weekend and I appreciate your responses.
 My wife was mopping the linoleum floors last evening in preparation for our next trip in a couple of weeks.  We both noticed that there are "bumps" in the floor at regular spacing intervals where it appears that the coach is bolted to the chassis.
 My question is should these bolt heads be protruding up into the flooring? Is this something to be concerned with or it this simply normal for a LD of this age (1983).
 Thanks for opinions.  I'm reading the FAQ files as I can find the time and I'm learning so much about this exciting lifestyle.

Best regards,

David

1983 22RL "Suzie III"

Battery
Reply #10
Yahoo Message Number: 111315
Greetings, I had to buy a new chassis battery about 4-5 months ago. Bought from Sears. $150.00 or so. Everything was ok until about a week ago then all of a sudden after setting for a week it now drains overnight. Only non factory system is AM Solar. Any ideas why this would be happening?

Tks Dennis

 
Re: Battery
Reply #11
Yahoo Message Number: 111397
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Greetings, I had to buy a new chassis battery about 4-5 months ago. Bought from Sears. $150.00 or so. Everything was ok until about a week ago then all of a sudden after setting for a week it now drains overnight. Only non factory system is AM Solar. Any ideas why this would be happening?

Tks Dennis
Your solar charge controller should not be able to get by the battery isolator to discharge the chassis battery, and this is true of all the coach systems. If you have a phantom load, it is most likely the Ford part of the equation. However, with the battery charged up, turn off the engine and disconnect the negative lead from the battery. If you reconnect it the next morning and the engine will not turn over, the battery is not holding a charge, and is bad.

Steve
2004 FL
2013 Honda Fit