RV on fire video clip December 22, 2007, 11:25:08 am Yahoo Message Number: 87403http://tinyurl.com/2sqpcx This awful clip from RVTravel should make you want to review your fire safety plan in your LD and tow car.Chris
Re: RV on fire video clip Reply #1 – December 22, 2007, 12:45:03 pm Yahoo Message Number: 87404Quotehttp://tinyurl.com/2sqpcx This awful clip from RVTravel should make you want to review your fire safety plan in your LD and tow car. Not only that, but if you read the blurb underneath the video, it says that live ammunition was going off inside the motorhome...a very, very dangerous situation for any rescue personnel, or people passing the rig!!! A very good reason, if you insist on carrying weapons in your rig, to have them close at hand -- along with all ammunition -- so you can grab them in case of a fire. It would be a tragedy, beyond the loss of the RV and all contents (which can be replaced by insurance), to have someone killed because they got hit by a bullet.Linda Hylton http://map.datastormusers.com/user1.cfm?user=1167 http://earl-linda.blogspot.com/
Re: RV on fire video clip Reply #2 – December 22, 2007, 01:39:55 pm Yahoo Message Number: 87405"It would be a tragedy, beyond the loss of the RV and all Quotecontents (which can be replaced by insurance), to have someone killed because they got hit by a bullet."Quote Linda Hylton LindaNot to take away from the tragic loss of that valuable motor home, but, contrary to popular belief and logic, ammunition, when subjected to fire (or heat from any source) "cooks off". Since the heaviest part of the cartridge is the bullet, the bullet remains semi-stationary and the shell casing is the object that flies, although not far and should it hit someone the injury would not be fatal. Don't ask how I know!Steve S. Lazy Bones & Jiggs
Re: RV on fire video clip Reply #3 – December 22, 2007, 02:44:50 pm Yahoo Message Number: 87406Since the Quoteheaviest part of the cartridge is the bullet, the bullet remains semi-stationary and the shell casing is the object that flies, although not far and should it hit someone the injury would not be fatal. In that case, it does seem strange that the person who was video taping the fire was asked by police to leave because of ammunition going off in the motorhome. At least from what I could see of the video, the person shooting the fire was quite a distance from the rig...much farther than a shell casing could travel.Linda Hylton http://map.datastormusers.com/user1.cfm?user=1167 http://earl-linda.blogspot.com/
Re: RV on fire video clip Reply #4 – December 22, 2007, 02:55:42 pm Yahoo Message Number: 87408"Since the heaviest part of the cartridge is the bullet, the bullet remains semi-stationary and the shell casing is the object that flies, although not far and should it hit someone the injury would not be fatal." Thanks for clearing that up, Steve! I was wondering about that myself, since the casing has only a small fraction of the mess of the bullet. Still, I expect it's a good idea to stay clear of that kind of situation if you can. :-)Andy Baird http://www.andybaird.com/travels/
Re: RV on fire video clip Reply #5 – December 22, 2007, 03:10:00 pm Yahoo Message Number: 87410"...it does seem strange that the person who was video taping the Quotefire was asked by police to leave because of ammunition going off in the motorhome."QuoteLinda Hylton LindaYour observations are all correct. However, despite what one would assume, our vaunted law enforcement officers are not ALL as well versed in firearms and explosives as the average military or NRA member. And their superiors always teach caution and safety, even beyond reason. I knew the truth of this kind of situation before I was twelve years old and would not hesitate to stand within 20-30 feet of burning 'small arms ammunitions'. Now when it comes to motar or artillery shells, all bets are off.Steve S. Lazy Bones & Jiggs
Re: RV on fire video clip Reply #6 – December 22, 2007, 03:39:27 pm Yahoo Message Number: 87411How do you know?Slammy5150/Paullejest2003 no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Re: RV on fire video clip Reply #7 – December 22, 2007, 08:38:19 pm Yahoo Message Number: 87416Quote "How do you know?"Slammy5150/PaulPaul "Don't ask how I know!" Ah ah, you weren't supposed to ask!Youthful curiosity and stupidity are great teachers. My lesson came when I dumped most of a box of .22 cartridges into a campfire. Observations were that the bullets did not go anywhere but those light brass shell casings flew quite a distance. Much farther than the perimeter of the fire ring where I was standing.Steve S. Lazy Bones & JiggsQuote[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: RV on fire video clip Reply #8 – December 25, 2007, 07:51:38 pm Yahoo Message Number: 87471A few thoughts - There is one danger from the ammo cooking off. If a round is in a gun's chamber, the casing would be constrained and the propellant would fire the round just as if a trigger was pulled. Low probability, but not zero. Second, propane, when heated, can cause a BLEVE (boiling liquid expanding vapor explosion). The effect of the propane tank cooking off would flash-burn the skin off your body if you were anywhere near the radius of the blast. For an RV tank, I would not feel safe unless I were beyond 100 yards. Ken
Re: RV on fire video clip Reply #9 – December 25, 2007, 11:37:56 pm Yahoo Message Number: 87479"There is one danger from the ammo cooking off. If a round is in a gun's chamber..."KenKenI would have several very choice words for the person stupid enough to be carrying a weapon with a loaded chamber while traveling down the highway (in camp it's another matter), and rather than incur the rath of our esteemed moderator I'll just keep my thoughts on that topic to myself.Steve S. Lazy Bones & Jiggs
Re: RV on fire video clip Reply #10 – December 26, 2007, 12:37:27 pm Yahoo Message Number: 87495That's kind of like the incident here
Re: RV on fire video clip Reply #11 – January 01, 2008, 11:16:07 am Yahoo Message Number: 87776Interestingly, most all loose ammunition that goes off due to fire is relatively harmless at anything more than a few dozen feet. This is due to the fact that there is no containment of the cartridge and thus no pressure build up. The cartridge case, weighing less than the bullet, will actually depart the fire with more speed than the bullet (if either goes anywhere at all). There are exceptions to this, of course. The round, if any, that is in the chamber, or in the case of a revolver, those in the cylinder, may "cook-off" with potentially lethal velocity. Note that I am not advocating going close to a fire where there's a chance of anything exploding. Nor of being so foolish as to throw live ammo into a campfire - - though I have seen this done once by an ex-friend (g).bumper Yonder Minden NV
Re: RV on fire video clip Reply #12 – January 05, 2008, 06:55:56 pm Yahoo Message Number: 87940I sent this email on 22 Dec, just now hit the list . . . one of those true wonderments of cyber whatever.Hoping you all have a great new year (I know I will!)bumper Yonder Minden NV
Re: RV on fire video clip Reply #13 – January 05, 2008, 09:05:03 pm Yahoo Message Number: 87943Bumber, I had something just like that happen at work one day. We changed to a different e-mail system, and one day I got like 15 e-mails that had been sent like 3 months before. Quite disconcerting, I didn't really notice the send date on them and I'm reading them thinking, wow I took care of this months ago. It's like a cyber time warp.
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