Re: new 26.5 mb delivery Reply #50 – December 06, 2007, 06:13:02 pm Yahoo Message Number: 86835Quote I have had a couple with LD but overall, they treat their customers well and do their best to support the owners of both new and used LDs. I think I'd like to add something here....I don't believe that LD gives us "used owners" the same quality of support that they give the original owner. My wife and I purchased a used '05 26.5MB with less than 18mos of service and less than 12,000 miles on her, when the cab posts separated from the coach. It is well known that this problem exists and original owners got the fix. I was told it was going to cost $400 to $500 per side to fix it. Seems to me that most other manufacturers might have a factory re-call on something that is a manufacturers defect.Buyer beware.....
Re: new 26.5 mb delivery Reply #51 – December 06, 2007, 08:44:48 pm Yahoo Message Number: 86837Quotewhen the cab posts separated from the coach. It is well known that this problem exists and original owners got the fix. What is the "Cab Post Problem"?? Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: water pumps Reply #52 – December 06, 2007, 09:06:12 pm Yahoo Message Number: 86838.....In 2004 Lazy Daze changed again (this is the switch Gus is referring to), to the Shurflo Extreme Smart Sensor 5.7, a variable-flow-rate 5.7 GPM pump. This pump has the advantage that it only pumps as hard as it needs to. If you just need a trickle of water, the noise level is fairly low, but you can get a high flow rate if you open the faucet all the way. .....QuoteAndy Baird http://www.andybaird.com/travels/ Two days after delivery this water pump just flat shuts down when any faucet or the toilet pedal were opened all the way - It is still doing this and only thing I've found that works is to turn it off for a little bit then back on - Just does not seem to be a reliable item - Andy, thank you for explaining the differences of the pumps - if our problem was only having some water flow would be nice -Virginia, Jim and Ms. Cricket Starr and Midnight Roadie '07 Red 26.5RB - '07 Black Matrix
Re: new 26.5 mb delivery Reply #53 – December 06, 2007, 09:54:07 pm Yahoo Message Number: 86839QuoteWhat is the "Cab Post Problem"??They are the finish corner moldings where the side of the coach turns into the cab. They have a tendency to separate or pop loose. The rear corner moldings have had the same problem, however I haven't had that problem yet. You can search this sight to find other information regarding this problem.Quote [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Drawer lock adjustment Reply #54 – December 06, 2007, 10:16:06 pm Yahoo Message Number: 86840Don & Chris thank you for the info. I should have looked in book first but saw msg. and i remembered wife had said something so sent question. Again thank you both.Lynn 23.5 in sw Wash.
Re: new 26.5 mb delivery Reply #55 – December 06, 2007, 10:17:05 pm Yahoo Message Number: 86841--- "Robert Wankel" wrote: "I don't believe that LD gives us "used owners" the same quality of support that they give the original owner....It is well known that this problem exists and original owners got the fix." Early in my Lazy Daze journey I considered the new vs used question. LD does offer a "lifetime warranty" to original owners, but it does have conditions and limitations. I understood that warranty would not extend to me as the 2nd owner.In that respect, LD does not give owners of used coaches the same level of support. However, I find it comforting to know that a manufacturer that has been in business for over 50 yrs. will still repair my coach if the need arises. They will likely still have access to unique parts that can only be replaced by the factory. I think there are perhaps a handful of manufacturers that can provide support of that quality. The "Cab Post" problem sounds like the better known "End Cap" problems described in msg#43378. If I recall correctly, the end cap issue was primarily cosmetic. Is the "cab post" problem more serious?Andrew 1999 23.5' TK, SF Bay Area
Re: corner moldings Reply #56 – December 07, 2007, 12:19:19 am Yahoo Message Number: 86846The rear corner moldings in some years did tend to gap slightly, though I've never heard of one coming off. This problem was strictly cosmetic (as are the moldings)--according to Lazy Daze, there's no risk of leaks even if those moldings were removed completely. Lazy Daze changed adhesives a few years ago, and I haven't seen reports of gapping end caps lately. Owners who've taken affected rigs to the factory for other work report that the end caps were repaired at no charge, in some cases without the owners even having requested it. I haven't heard of front trim caps separating, though if they used the same adhesive as the rear caps, it's certainly possible. In any case, it would be only a cosmetic issue, and pretty easily fixed: members of this group have reported that the caps can be reliably reattached using "Big Stretch" brand sealant."I don't believe that LD gives us 'used owners' the same quality of support that they give the original owner." That's correct: we owners of used rigs don't have a warranty. I don't know of any RV maker that extends warranty coverage to second or subsequent owners, and LD is no exception. This is no reflection on Lazy Daze.As other have pointed out, LD does have an excellent stock of parts for very old rigs--better, in fact, than any company I've dealt with. And they're exceptionally generous with their knowledge. If you call up about a problem with your twenty-year-old Lazy Daze, they will most likely have not only the parts for it, but someone who helped design and build it will be able to tell you what you need to know. There aren't many places where you can get that kind of service.Andy Baird http://www.andybaird.com/travels/
Re: water pumps Reply #57 – December 07, 2007, 07:11:39 am Yahoo Message Number: 86852Virginia and Jim,I suggest you try the adjustments I described
Re: new 26.5 mb delivery Reply #58 – December 07, 2007, 11:22:59 am Yahoo Message Number: 86871... A 'Thank you for your business' would have beenQuoteappreciated." You're right, this kind of thing shouldn't be happening. I'd hate to think that just because Lazy Daze has customers lined up months in advance, they think they don't have to be nice to them. This discussion brings to mind a couple of our experiences.Before we purchased our LD, we did make a visit to the Born Free factory in Iowa. As we entered their showroom, there was a sign by the door that said something along the line of "Congratulations to Mr. & Mrs. Smith, the newest member of the Born Free family" that was the greeting to new owners who were picking up their rig. I thought it was a very nice touch. But our visit to their showroom ranks somewhere near the bottom of all my shopping experiences. We waited 8 months for our rig to be built. When we flew out for pick up, my wife had a fracture boot on one leg; it was a difficult flight to make, but she was determined to participate in the experience (she also thought I couldn't find my way back to Ohio!;-) We were so excited about our new rig and our expectations were very high. On the 2nd day of our drive back to Ohio, I asked my wife, "Don't you think its sad that we never got a "thank you" from anyone at the factory?" She replied that she had been thinking the same thing.We have enjoyed over 4 great years of travel in our LD. We have enjoyed our rig even more than we had thought possible. And we would do it over again for sure. I think the LD experiences, the great and the not so great, are just part of the legend of Lazy Dazedom. And almost every LDer we run into has some sort of story to tell.Ain't we havin' fun?!Steve K.
Re: water pumps Reply #59 – December 07, 2007, 11:50:50 am Yahoo Message Number: 86875... Virginia and Jim, I suggest you try the adjustments I described in Post #86822. ...The problem you describe is similar to the one I had. After adjustment my pump is now working well.Quote If that doesn't do it, I've found Shurflo to have a very generous warranty approach. ...I'd call Shurflo customer service If the Quoteproblem can't be resolved I believe they will help you exchange the pump for a new one if you're within three years of the date stamped on yours. ....QuoteTerry 2003 26.5'RB Gardnerville, NV Hi Terry - Thank you so very much - I had copied your post to print out and try the steps on the water pump - Now your kind personal post is great encouragement. I will let you know how following your instructions on adjusting the water flow as well talking with Shurflo comes out - I called LD immediately upon this contrary pump's misbehaving and they referred me to shurflo as we live in central Texas and were already in Albuquerque with The RV Guy installing additions to our rig. Mike, The RV Guy, also informed us it was not the best gizmo going - He had a recommendation for another pump, if I don't have it wrote down I'll email him as it may be same as mentioned in above post.Oh, I've already got the drawers pulled out as well as the wardrobe door removed - we're redoing the wardrobe to incorporate a storage space for the mini 6.6# washer got from Haier + we hated the door, just not a maneuverable object for us. We feel a curtain or accordion divider will work better.Again, thank you for your personal interest and help -Virgina & Jim Starr & Midnight Roadie
Re: water pumps Reply #60 – December 07, 2007, 12:43:43 pm Yahoo Message Number: 86879...Shurflo to have a very generous warranty approach. ...I'd call Shurflo customer service .... FOLLOW-UP - Just spoke with Shurflo - explained our problem and they said doing the adjustments will not solve our problem - we are to send the pump back and they will replace - OK - we'll try this route and then if next one is just as crappy then will go our own way and get a better pump. Shurflo did mention the filter/strainer causes some problems - I did not get into detail with them on this as they immediately said to send the unit back for replacement - PS they are closing for holidays on 12/20 til end of year. A huge Thanks to all for your knowledgeable input - I will save all of these post to my LD notebook, which is now about 5 inches thick with details of loads of goodies -Virginia Starr & Midnight Roadie
Re: new 26.5 mb delivery Reply #61 – December 07, 2007, 08:26:42 pm Yahoo Message Number: 86894Quote Is the "cab post" problem more serious?Andrew 1999 23.5' TK, SF Bay Area I used the incorrect term, it is the "end cap". As far as the problem being cosemtic only, I disagree. The end cap can have a quarter of an inch gap showing when it becomes separated. Water can enter while driving in the rain and water will, over time, cause problems. This is a common problem and IMHO it's a defect in manufacturing. Not warranting your workmanship to "used owners" is skirting the issue. And to a degree it will harm the reputation of LD.
Re: End cap separation Reply #62 – December 07, 2007, 09:20:12 pm Yahoo Message Number: 86895"As far as the problem being cosemtic only, I disagree. The end cap can have a quarter of an inch gap showing when it becomes separated. Water can enter while driving in the rain and water will, over time, cause problems." When this problem arose a few years ago, Lazy Daze explained that the end caps are purely cosmetic--they have no function as far as keeping out water is concerned. According to the factory, the underlying coach structure is fully sealed, so no leakage could occur even if the caps were completely removed. I'm inclined to believe them, since they design and build these rigs, and I've never known them to lie or cover up problems. Moreover, to the best of my recollection, nobody in this group has reported leakage due to end cap separation. We have thousands of owners here, and it's a safe guess that if there were a leakage problem, we'd know about it by now. "IMHO it's a defect in manufacturing. Not warranting your workmanship to 'used owners' is skirting the issue. And to a degree it will harm the reputation of LD."There's no question that it's a manufacturing defect, but a minor one--probably nine out of ten passersby would never even notice the small gaps. My feeling is this: if there really were potential for leakage, Lazy Daze would be crazy not to fix these, in or out of warranty. But since there isn't, I don't see anything wrong with them sticking to the terms of the warranty: original owners only.Fortunately for you, the fix isn't difficult, as I mentioned in my last message. So if a 1/4" gap really bothers you, get a tube of Big Stretch sealant, use it to stick the end cap back down... and you can go on your merry way, knowing that your coach not only *is* good but *looks* good. :-)Andy Baird http://www.andybaird.com/travels/
Re: new 26.5 mb delivery Reply #63 – December 07, 2007, 09:26:28 pm Yahoo Message Number: 86896Quote "I used the incorrect term, it is the "end cap". As far as the problem being cosemtic only, I disagree.... And to a degree it will harm the reputation of LD." Robert WankelBobAnd I, sir, disagree with you! I had "end cap separation", on the right rear and also on the lower right front and lower left front. Vince assured me that it was purely cosmetic, that the end caps could be totally missing and still there would be no leaks. And in fact, I'd gone through two wet California winters and had not had a leak. However, Lazy Daze still resealed the suspect areas, no questions asked, and sent me on my way without cost. That's an act that, in my mind, assured their good reputation and my repeat business.Steve S. Lazy Bones & Jiggs '04 30'IB
Re: End cap separation Reply #64 – December 10, 2007, 12:25:18 pm Yahoo Message Number: 87006QuoteWhen this problem arose a few years ago, Lazy Daze explained that the end caps are purely cosmetic>Andy, My point is, and your response backs me up, that LD knew of the problem several years ago. I would have thought that LD would have fixed them N/C or below normal charges. My 26.5MB is two years old this month. At the time it was only 17months old when the end caps separated and I fixed them. I truly appreciate the quality, and for the most part, the fit & finish of the LD brand. I've had been waiting for years to own one and in less than 2 months as an owner I was finding myself fixing "manufacturing defects".....not the plan.
Re: End cap separation Reply #65 – December 11, 2007, 05:02:21 pm Yahoo Message Number: 87055I can understand your frustration Robert. I have to think it was just the luck of the draw that you purchased your LD so close the original purchase, and that it experienced separation. Surely it must have been there when you purchased it. I would think that if this did happen when in the original owner's hands, the repair would have been honored if taken for repair. That is what think should have happened, but it did not. So I would think that you should vent your frustration towards the original owner. I am sure that they have taken a loss since thier purchase and considered this when selling to a second party. I have been fixing manufacturing defects on my 2nd hand LD for about two years now, but there is no way I would think the factory should honor a contract bewteen the original owner and themselves when in my hands. I knew full well that I was buying a pre-love LD and would be taking on certain upgrades, repairs, and maintainance. The whole "LD knew of the problem" discussion just reinforces the fact that yes, there is a history behind the end cap situation. And yes, it is resolved the same way year in a year out. I have been sitting on the fence on your topic, but have fallen the other way. My experience with Steve is that he moans, and groans, dances and darts while he is forming a game plan, and then goes out of his way to please, and really gives more than your money's worth. I am just sorry that you both got caught in a chasm. I think what I am saying is that even though if I were in his shoes, I would want authorize a repair, but would have to think of it as a bussiness decision and draw the line somewhere. That line is on transfer of ownership.Terry See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: corner moldings Reply #66 – January 26, 2008, 09:26:17 pm Yahoo Message Number: 88893Quote The rear corner moldings in some years did tend to gap slightly, though I've never heard of one coming off. This problem was strictly cosmetic (as are the moldings)--according to Lazy Daze, there's no risk of leaks even if those moldings were removed completely. Lazy Daze changed adhesives a few years ago, and I haven't seen reports of gapping end caps lately. Owners who've taken affected rigs to the factory for other work report that the end caps were repaired at no charge, in some cases without the owners even having requested it.I haven't heard of front trim caps separating, though if they used the same adhesive as the rear caps, it's certainly possible. In any case, Quoteit would be only a cosmetic issue, and pretty easily fixed: members of this group have reported that the caps can be reliably reattached using "Big Stretch" brand sealant."I don't believe that LD gives us 'used owners' the same quality of support that they give the original owner."That's correct: we owners of used rigs don't have a warranty. I don't Quoteknow of any RV maker that extends warranty coverage to second or subsequent owners, and LD is no exception. This is no reflection on Lazy Daze.As other have pointed out, LD does have an excellent stock of parts for very old rigs--better, in fact, than any company I've dealt with. QuoteAnd they're exceptionally generous with their knowledge. If you call up about a problem with your twenty-year-old Lazy Daze, they will most likely have not only the parts for it, but someone who helped design and build it will be able to tell you what you need to know. There aren't many places where you can get that kind of service.Andy Baird http://www.andybaird.com/travels/ I looked at a 1992 today that was for sale, all of the end caps both front and back had gaps between 1/32" to 1/8" . If standing water from the inside can cause electrolis, why can't standing water caught between the end caps and the aluminium siding have the same effect? I beleive that water caught between the caps and siding will eventually cause a problem.Steve There has to be water getting into those cracks
Re: corner moldings Reply #67 – January 26, 2008, 10:06:55 pm Yahoo Message Number: 88900"If standing water from the inside can cause electrolis, why can't standing water caught between the end caps and the aluminium siding have the same effect?"Because electrolysis requires two dissimilar metals (e.g., sheet aluminum and steel screws). Plastic isn't metal, so it can't electrolyze anything."There has to be water getting into those cracks."There is, but it doesn't matter, because what's *underneath* those caps is completely sealed. The plastic caps are purely for looks; they don't play any part in keeping water out of the coach. You could remove them altogether and it would make no difference--no water would get in.Andy Baird http://www.andybaird.com/travels/
Re: corner moldings -- a correction Reply #68 – January 27, 2008, 02:06:20 pm Yahoo Message Number: 88929Former member Don McGlothlen, in private email, points out the following: "Steve was very precise in stating [in early 2006] that pre 1999 Lazy Daze might not have sealant over the wood joints under the end caps. He told me that Ed was very critical of the large amounts of sealants being used in Lazy Daze production and that whenever Ed was around, the sealants probably did not get applied to cover the wood under the end caps on pre 1999 units. From 2000 on, Steve said that all Lazy Daze production certainly had sealant covering all the wood under the end caps."So the reassuring statements I made are only applicable to 2000 and later coaches. With earlier LDs, there may be some danger of leakage if the end caps are not well sealed. Sorry for the misinformation! The factory has since developed a fix that works and keeps on working (as far as we know)... so if you have a pre-2000 coach with gapping end caps, you can take it to the factory for remediation. Or you can reseal it yourself with "Big Stretch" sealant, as described in previous posts here.Andy Baird http://www.andybaird.com/travels/
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