83 Lazy Daze listed September 05, 2005, 12:03:12 pm Yahoo Message Number: 57706I found this 83 Lazy Daze for sale on the net. Site has lots of description and pictures. Maybe someone here is interested. 85,500 miles for $7000.Gus Weber
83 Lazy Daze Reply #1 – September 05, 2005, 12:04:10 pm Yahoo Message Number: 57707Whoops - forgot to include the URL: http://www.blanchardguitars.com/g3.htmlGus Weber
Re: 83 Lazy Daze Reply #2 – September 05, 2005, 01:37:34 pm Yahoo Message Number: 57714Gus, An interesting link. It's amazing how good a 22-year old LD can look.The 'As is, Where is' phrase would bother me however.Barry 01 r rb tx at
Re: [Life With A Lazy Daze RV] Re: 83 Lazy Daze Reply #3 – September 05, 2005, 02:11:34 pm Yahoo Message Number: 57717Surely you wouldn't expect any kind of warranty on a used, 22-year old motorhome.Dick
Re: [Life With A Lazy Daze RV] 83 Lazy Daze Reply #4 – September 05, 2005, 07:52:31 pm Yahoo Message Number: 57748Wow~ Looks very well cared for. What a good buy for someone! Mari SusanGus Weber wrote:
Re: 83 Lazy Daze Reply #5 – September 05, 2005, 09:14:56 pm Yahoo Message Number: 57749QuoteWhoops - forgot to include the URL: http://www.blanchardguitars.com/g3.htmlGus Weber FWIWToday, while violating my own rule of not going out on the hwy on a major holiday, I happened to spot an older LD (possibly the same vintage as this post), '83-'85 ?. It was located on the West Sherman Island Road north of the Antioch (CA) bridge.Although it looked sound enough the paint was quite faded. It sits off the road and without driving into the yard I could not read the For Sale sign. It has the standard OEM awning and what I took to be a swamp cooler on the roof. Wonder how many others such as this are situated around the country?Steve S. Lazy Bones
Re: [Life With A Lazy Daze RV] Re: 83 Lazy Daze Reply #6 – September 05, 2005, 11:16:06 pm Yahoo Message Number: 57756At 01:14 AM 9/6/2005 +0000, you wrote:QuoteWonder how many others such as this are situated around the country? We just sold our 1980 RB about a month ago. It had faded paint but was otherwise in wonderful condition despite fairly high miles. It's still in the neighborhood...just not ours anymore :-)Sonsie
[Life With A Lazy Daze RV] Re: 83 Lazy Daze Reply #7 – September 06, 2005, 04:05:10 am Yahoo Message Number: 57760Hi Dick, While I don't expect a warranty as such, I would expect that the seller would stand behind having given an honest and complete description. To me, the implied message of 'As Is' is 'If you don't discover the things I haven't told you, tough.' The bottom result is probably the same whether the phrase is there or not. You probably won't get too much assistance from the seller with problems
[Life With A Lazy Daze RV] Re: 83 Lazy Daze Reply #8 – September 06, 2005, 11:50:27 am Yahoo Message Number: 57778Quoteme, the implied message of 'As Is' is 'If you don't discover the things I haven't told you, tough.' The bottom result is probably the same whether the phrase is there or not. You probably won't get too much assistance from the seller with problems in either case. I just feel uncomfortable with a seller adding such a phrase. It seems to be there to soothe his conscience, not to help you. I wouldn't read motive into such a phrase. Anything that old, in particular a motorhome, could have worked perfectly since new, been maintained flawlessly, have no known problems, and then develop $4000 in needed repairs within a few months - or the next day. I would never sell something that old without including that caveat. Any purchaser should factor in the potential cost of multiple expensive repairs before considering the asking price. If a seller claims he deserves a high price because of an 'excellent condition', then he should be willing to back it with a warranty.Steve
"AS IS" Reply #9 – September 06, 2005, 03:23:16 pm Yahoo Message Number: 57786AS IS Just as an aside, this tiny phrase 'as is' is very important in any legal document when you are selling something, not matter what the object is. It protects the Seller from outrageous demands in the future from the buyer, who might have 'buyer's regret' 2 weeks after the deal is done. I use it especially for any real estate I sell, when I sell my own properties...without a broker. I don't like to pay those enormous commissions that are way out of line for today's home and property prices. A broker has a 2 page legal document that covers their rear quarters 100%, and without a broker, as a seller, you have to have some sort of protection from a buyer's peculiarities, and 'as is' does the trick. That 'where is' now. I'm not familiar with that one. Does that infer it might not be at the place the buyer thinks it might be when he comes to pick it up? I don't like the sound of that. I wouldn't sign a contract with that in it. Bye. FRANCES
Re: "AS IS" Reply #10 – September 06, 2005, 04:13:22 pm Yahoo Message Number: 57791Quote AS ISJust as an aside, this tiny phrase 'as is' is very important in any legal document when youHello Frances:Also involved in real estate among other things. First the easy part. "Where is" customarily means the item is being sold where it currently is located. I.e. a motorhome in the sellers driveway. The buyer, and not the seller, is responsible to deliver the product to the location of the buyers choice unless otherwise agreed. Since real property is mostly immovable the term doesn't really apply there. "As is" is the subject of extensive litigation. Just what does "as is" mean. Is it truly Caveat Emptor? Does "as is" give the seller the right to intentionally hide a defect so as to deceive the buyer? Does it give the seller the right to stand silently by as the buyer admires the beautiful engine all the time knowing it needs a valve job? You can commit fraud by silence as well as by speaking. Whenever I buy something "as is" I ask for a written list of known defects. I bought a used LD. I asked the buyer up front to please show me , and write down, any and all defects that could cost more than $100 to repair. He did. The contract was "as is" but in addition to conducting a through inspection, I felt that I had some recourse should I uncover fraud. The motorhome was exactly as represented. I couldn't have been more satisfied with the transaction. When you get an LD, I hope you are just as satisfied.Ed
Re: [Life With A Lazy Daze RV] Re: "AS IS" Reply #11 – September 06, 2005, 05:08:24 pm Yahoo Message Number: 57792At 08:13 PM 9/6/2005 +0000, you wrote:QuoteWhenever I buy something "as is" I ask for a written list of known defects. I bought a used LD. I asked the buyer up front to please show me , and write down, any and all defects that could cost more than $100 to repair. He did. The contract was "as is" but in addition to conducting a through inspection, I felt that I had some recourse should I uncover fraud. That's a smart idea. But something expensive could still go wrong a week after you bought the unit, and have been utterly unknown and unsuspected by the owner (and thus in no way fraud). With a 22-year-old vehicle of any sort, there simply is no way of guaranteeing perfection or even "okay-ness" of all components. And I would not expect a seller to recompense me if something unsuspected did turn up shortly after the sale. If, OTOH, it was something the seller had to have known about, or should reasonably have foreseen, that's a different story (and that's where your list comes in handy). Assuming that the seller is honest and told me what he or she knew might be wrong, I'd probably still buy the unit, but I'd negotiate a cheaper price to cover my expenses for repair work.Sonsie
Re: [Life With A Lazy Daze RV] "AS IS" Reply #12 – September 06, 2005, 05:08:24 pm Yahoo Message Number: 57793At 07:23 PM 9/6/2005 +0000, you wrote:QuoteThat 'where is' now. I'm not familiar with that one. Does that infer it might not be at the place the buyer thinks it might be when he comes to pick it up? I don't like the sound of that. I wouldn't sign a contract with that in it. Frances, that one is pretty innocuous, too. It simply means that you agree to buy the unit "where it is," and don't expect that it shall be delivered to you, or that the seller will make special arrangements about relocating it. If you want that, you'll pay for delivery or shipping or whatever.Sonsie
Re: [Life With A Lazy Daze RV] "AS IS" Reply #13 – September 06, 2005, 05:22:51 pm Yahoo Message Number: 57794"As is, where is" is a common disclaimer when you sell something that is less than new. I have played with collectable cars and antique tractors most of my adult life. It is simply a way to tell a potential purchaser that the item is not new and does not carry a warrantee.
Re: "AS IS" Reply #14 – September 06, 2005, 06:07:43 pm Yahoo Message Number: 57796fms8 wrote: QuoteJust as an aside, this tiny phrase 'as is' is very important in any legal document ....."Ed" wrote in response to that The buyer, and not the seller, is responsible to deliver the product to the location of the buyers choice unless otherwise agreed. =============================== Ed: Just clarification please. To rephrase that sentence, can I read it as follows: Me, the buyer, am responsible for picking up the item and bringing it home, unless I have made other arrangements with the seller. The buyer 'delivering' the product makes me wonder if I'm reading correctly. Thank you. Bye FRANCES
Re: "AS IS" Reply #15 – September 06, 2005, 07:40:59 pm Yahoo Message Number: 57800Quotefms8 wrote: Just as an aside, this tiny phrase 'as is' is very important in any legal document ....."Ed" wrote in response to thatThe buyer, and not the seller, is responsible to deliver the product to the location of theQuotebuyers choice unless otherwise agreed. ===============================Ed: Just clarification please. To rephrase that sentence, can I read it as follows: QuoteMe, the buyer, am responsible for picking up the item and bringing it home, unless I haveQuotemade other arrangements with the seller. That's the essence of it Frances. Wherever it sits when you finalize the sale it becomes your responsibility from there. In addition, your vehicle insurance kicks in at the moment you and the seller exchange $$$ and the title so you need to have that arranged in advance. Hate to have some fool run into you 5 minutes after it's yours. Most, but not all, insurance companies give you X number of days to notify them of your new vehicle and cover it withour notification up to that "X" day whenever that may be. Have fun in your search. I got really, really lucky. The perfect- for- me LD was located about two hours from where I live.Ed
[Life With A Lazy Daze RV] Re: "AS IS" Reply #16 – September 06, 2005, 07:49:32 pm Yahoo Message Number: 57801Quote That's a smart idea. But something expensive could still go wrong a week after you bought the unit, and have been utterly unknown and unsuspected byQuotethe owner (and thus in no way fraud). Sonsie, you are of course, exactly correct. Brand new vehicles have failed on the way from the showroom to home. Look at the faulty ref. on the new LD that was recently discussed. I do find that asking, and taking notes, does tend to put the seller on notice that you just didn't fall off the turnip truck. When you buy anything used you do your homework, ask questions, look closely, then hope for the best. If a con man want's you he's got you. Simple as that.Ed
Re: 83 Lazy Daze Reply #17 – September 09, 2005, 12:32:19 am Yahoo Message Number: 57874"Anything that old, in particular a motorhome, could have worked perfectly since new, been maintained flawlessly, have no known problems, and then develop $4000 in needed repairs within a few months - or the next day. I would never sell something that old without including that caveat." I once did--to my regret. I sold a ten-year-old car, in good condition of course, to a man whose car had been stolen. Because I was young and naive, I wrote him a warranty saying that I would take the car back and refund his money if his mechanic found significant problems with it. He was happy and I was happy...until a week later when the police recovered his stolen car. Then all of a sudden he didn't need the car he'd just bought from me. So he paid a mechanic to find all kinds of vague, hard-to-disprove things wrong with it...and then he waved the report in my face and demanded his money back. Of course we both knew that this was a charade--the car was in good condition for its age, and there was nothing really wrong with it. But I couldn't argue with the mechanic's report, unless of course I wanted to pay to take it to my own mechanic. I had no choice...I took the car back. The story has a happy ending: I ended up selling the car to a high school kid who was delighted to get it, and I even got a little more money for it than I'd had to refund to the first buyer--but this time I sold it without a warranty!Andy Baird
Re: [Life With A Lazy Daze RV] "AS IS" Reply #18 – September 11, 2005, 03:19:25 pm Yahoo Message Number: 57919All the "Where Is' means is exactly that"where it is" not delivered. In other words shipping or other transportation is the responsibility of the buyer. Both standard terms more or less meaning the sale is final. He get the money and you get the vehicle. I see nothing wrong with the statements.Garry
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