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Radiator Upgrade
I did do research here, but found no real answers.
I have the Chevy small block. 1989 Chevy G30, 5.7 liter, V8. My summers are really hot. Anything from 90-116. I put the current radiator in in 2017. It was not an expensive one. However, I need to do something to get her to run cooler. Especially in the mountains. It is a single row and I wonder if I can go to at least a 2 row?  Is this possible and are there other considerations I need to address. (I apologize if I have not given enough info. I just don't know enough about this).
LD 22', 1989 Custom Build. Chassis 1990 Chevy Van G30, 5.7l.

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The first piece of information I would need going forward is what’s the engine temperature in the conditions described above.  Most engines and transmissions run hot in extreme temperatures and long uphill drives.  Unless the OP has information that the engine is running too hot, I’d recommend a temperature gauge and perhaps post the temperatures here.  Just a thought.

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The first piece of information I would need going forward is what’s the engine temperature in the conditions described above.  Most engines and transmissions run hot in extreme temperatures and long uphill drives.  Unless the OP has information that the engine is running too hot, I’d recommend a temperature gauge and perhaps post the temperatures here.  Just a thought.
I did read elsewhere, and if I understood it correctly, that simply getting a mechanical temp gauge could help. (If only by showing the dash gauge is giving a 'false' reading). It can get hot enough going up a fairly long hill, that I have to pull over or risk damaging the engine. The gauge maxes out. (Not scientific I know). Also, on a hot day, if I am caught in stop and go traffic, it gets really hot really quickly.
LD 22', 1989 Custom Build. Chassis 1990 Chevy Van G30, 5.7l.

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It almost sounds like you have a very small radiator. Most radiators are not cheap so maybe a 4 pass or bigger would help. Do you ever hear the fan clutch kick in? It would sound like the engine was really revving. The other thing is, are you losing antifreeze? If so, you could have a bad head gasket. 1) Bigger radiator, 2) fan clutch and 3) a new thermostat then see what happens.

Jon
1994 MB

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Reply #4
I agree with previous posts. I would proceed in this order: Manual temp gauge to read actual temperature
 Check fan clutch operation (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2SbW1SDtMvg)
Cooling system pressure check
Radiator replacement
Originally these came with a 4-row radiator-1 or 2 rows might work around the campground, but not with a load or mountain driving.
Good luck with your troubleshooting, and please let us know your progress
I try not to break the rules but merely test their elasticity.  '88 22RL converted to Rear Dinette

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The G30’w radiators are relatively small. Our 1983 G30 LD had a tendency to run hot on hot summer days, especially when climbing. I installed the thickest radiator Napa Auto sold at the time along with an added radiator water sprayer to keep the temps down. I run a similar water sprayer on our 2003 LD.
Our LD had a supplemental transmission cooler built into the air conditioner condenser that also helped keep the temps down.

The dash temperature gauge doesn't accurately show the coolant temperature, adding mechanical coolant and transmission temperature gauges is a good idea, allowing you to accurately see the operating temperatures.

And as Dazed mentioned, make sure the clutch fan is engaging when the engine gets hot, you should hear the fan speed ramping up, it makes a lot of noise when engaged. The 350 V8 used in older LDs suffer from frequent fan clutch failure, I went through three of them in 60,000 miles and always carried an extra.  I had learned my lesson about 350 V8 fan clutches after owning a 1977 Chevy van for many years..

Larry
Larry
2003 23.5' Front Lounge, since new.  Previously 1983 22' Front Lounge.
Tow vehicles  2020 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon, 2001 Jeep Cherokee
Photo Collection: Lazy Daze

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I did do research here, but found no real answers.
I have the Chevy small block. 1989 Chevy G30, 5.7 liter, V8. My summers are really hot. Anything from 90-116. I put the current radiator in in 2017. It was not an expensive one. However, I need to do something to get her to run cooler. Especially in the mountains. It is a single row and I wonder if I can go to at least a 2 row?  Is this possible and are there other considerations I need to address. (I apologize if I have not given enough info. I just don't know enough about this).

I am learning that there is so much involved in this. All Aluminum or Copper Brass/plastic. Reparable or non-reparable. Horsepeower to be considered. Typical driving conditions. Environment. Amount of row-cores. Diameter of cores. The amount of airflow between rows. Fins and quite a bit more. I am learning a lot and that's what it's all about. Does anyone have additional thoughts? What radiator did you choose to go with?
LD 22', 1989 Custom Build. Chassis 1990 Chevy Van G30, 5.7l.

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Almost all radiators today have an aluminum core and plastic tanks, it's the industry standard. They are mostly not repairable.
Copper and brass are rare today and are repairable but finding places to do so is becoming less available. With proper maintenance of the coolant, leaks shouldn't be a concern for many years.
It has been a couple of decades since I bought a radiator for a G30 so no recommendations.

I would look for a thick core, our old LD had a 2" core. There are other variables but it is tough or impossible to pick a radiator by looking at the specs in online listings. Looking at Rock Auto's site, I recognized none of the brands.
I would consider going to a local Napa Auto and talk with the counter person about the best HD radiator they carry. Looking at Napa's site, they carry a dozen or more different radiators that fit your LD. The specs tell little.

Larry

Larry
2003 23.5' Front Lounge, since new.  Previously 1983 22' Front Lounge.
Tow vehicles  2020 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon, 2001 Jeep Cherokee
Photo Collection: Lazy Daze

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Almost all radiators today have an aluminum core and plastic tanks, it's the industry standard. They are mostly not repairable.
Copper and brass are rare today and are repairable but finding places to do so is becoming less available. With proper maintenance of the coolant, leaks shouldn't be a concern for many years.
It has been a couple of decades since I bought a radiator for a G30 so no recommendations.

I would look for a thick core, our old LD had a 2" core. There are other variables but it is tough or impossible to pick a radiator by looking at the specs in online listings. Looking at Rock Auto's site, I recognized none of the brands.
I would consider going to a local Napa Auto and talk with the counter person about the best HD radiator they carry. Looking at Napa's site, they carry a dozen or more different radiators that fit your LD. The specs tell little.

Larry


Thanks Larry. Yes, I was on NAPA for a while today. (Amongst numerous other sites). Decisions, decisions right?
LD 22', 1989 Custom Build. Chassis 1990 Chevy Van G30, 5.7l.

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Reply #9
The 350 V8 used in older LDs suffer from frequent fan clutch failure, I went through three of them in 60,000 miles and always carried an extra.  I had learned my lesson about 350 V8 fan clutches after owning a 1977 Chevy van for many years..

Larry
Is best fan access from top or below? Is it a 2-piece shroud? Mine is '88 5.7
I try not to break the rules but merely test their elasticity.  '88 22RL converted to Rear Dinette

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Is best fan access from top or below? Is it a 2-piece shroud? Mine is '88 5.7

My fan is two pieces joined halfway down on both sides. The fasteners should be plastic. Therefore there is an upper and lower shroud.
LD 22', 1989 Custom Build. Chassis 1990 Chevy Van G30, 5.7l.

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Reply #11
So I have some experience with the Aluminum 1 core radiator.    Ours was an 85 G30 5.7 and we were going from Southern CA to Yosemite.  I wanted no cooling issues when we bought the rig so I changed everything.  Hoses, Water pump, Tstat, Fan Clutch, radiator, temp sensor and fan belts.  I too wanted a huge radiator, maybe 4 row.  My radiator guy said they only had the single large core aluminum with the plastic ends that Larry mentions.  He said to trust him and I had been going to him since the mid 80s so I took his advice. 

Took a test run on a pretty large grade for may area and fan kicked right on and kept things cool for the climb.  I had plenty of experience with this test grade with a 90 C3500 454 that GM decided to change the fan clutch design and it never worked.  I eventfully fixed that one but that is another long story.   For the LD, I made sure to get the super heavy duty clutch or whatever the name was at the time.  It worked fine on our Yosemite trip and on large pulls, the temp gauge just move a slight tick not much at all..  if you trust that gauge.  We never had a cooling issue for the 10 years we owned it.  Keeping the fan belts tight was key as well.

Here are some pix..   sorry none of the new radiator.  (Actually, found some and added them to the album)

   Cooling System - Google Photos          Ramon fixed the link and appears here.  RonB

Ramon

2000 Mid-Bath
2012 Lance 830 Truck Camper/2006 Cummins Dodge Ram Megacab
1985 Multi Plan - Donated to the American Breast Cancer Foundation.

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So I have some experience with the Aluminum 1 core radiator.    Ours was an 85 G30 5.7 and we were going from Southern CA to Yosemite.  I wanted no cooling issues when we bought the rig so I changed everything.  Hoses, Water pump, Tstat, Fan Clutch, radiator, temp sensor and fan belts.  I too wanted a huge radiator, maybe 4 row.  My radiator guy said they only had the single large core aluminum with the plastic ends that Larry mentions.  He said to trust him and I had been going to him since the mid 80s so I took his advice. 

Took a test run on a pretty large grade for may area and fan kicked right on and kept things cool for the climb.  I had plenty of experience with this test grade with a 90 C3500 454 that GM decided to change the fan clutch design and it never worked.  I eventfully fixed that one but that is another long story.   For the LD, I made sure to get the super heavy duty clutch or whatever the name was at the time.  It worked fine on our Yosemite trip and on large pulls, the temp gauge just move a slight tick not much at all..  if you trust that gauge.  We never had a cooling issue for the 10 years we owned it.  Keeping the fan belts tight was key as well.

Here are some pix..   sorry none of the new radiator.  (Actually, found some and added them to the album)
   Cooling System - Google Photos   Link fixed by Ramon, and appears here.    RonB

Ramon


Link returns 404...
LD 22', 1989 Custom Build. Chassis 1990 Chevy Van G30, 5.7l.

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The following is from LD Facebook.

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Hey gang, wanted to share an engine insight for vintage LD owners ⚒️
TL;DR - if you’re dealing with an engine that’s running hot the first thing you’ll want to do is install a mechanical gauge.

The full story:
When we got Little Red at the end of last summer she had a nasty habit of running hot (but not overheating) on the freeway, even at lower speeds. One of the risks of getting a vintage RV with low miles (she’s a 1989 with 46k miles) is that possibly means they’ve sat for a while, which can cause some radiator issues.

We did a lot of research into overheating and had some work done (new fan clutch, thermostat, hoses, and cleaned/ flushed the radiator), and that actually helped a lot, but we still were seeing the gauge go higher on the freeway, mostly around 65mph+ (which is really the top speed this older girl should be at anyway). With a big trip coming up this summer we want to make sure she’s solid so we tried a radiator rot out and new water pump, but it didn’t change much.

Cue important lesson 🚨 to anyone with a vintage motorhome who’s dealing with an engine that’s running hot - install a mechanical gauge FIRST so you can see what’s really going on.

These old dash gauges are sometimes not reliable, and dammit I remember reading about this, but that seems to be the case with ours. From what we can tell, when the dash gauge is reading at the higher end of “normal” (the gauge needle hitting the A or L) our engine is actually running at a safe temp (about 195-200 degrees). We understand the Ford 460 engine runs hotter, and it doesn’t have an overdrive so it makes sense that at higher speeds it will get hotter, but the gauge hasn’t been accurately displaying the temp.

We love vintage rigs, and anyone who has one knows they take a certain amount of TLC. We’ll see how she performs this summer on the trip, but having an accurate reading helps a lot. Hopefully this post will help someone experiencing a similar issue!

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My Apologies, I thought it was open..  try it now.

Cooling System - Google Photos
2000 Mid-Bath
2012 Lance 830 Truck Camper/2006 Cummins Dodge Ram Megacab
1985 Multi Plan - Donated to the American Breast Cancer Foundation.


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Reply #16
The radiator that Mr. Fixit installed was done many years ago, I doubt if the same radiator is still available.
It's tough to find parts for a 30+-year-old RV.
I have noticed there is less availability of parts for our 20-year-old LD.

Larry
Larry
2003 23.5' Front Lounge, since new.  Previously 1983 22' Front Lounge.
Tow vehicles  2020 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon, 2001 Jeep Cherokee
Photo Collection: Lazy Daze

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@Mindispower , Got busy with work, did not get to respond yesterday.  I did not post any details of what I bought past the 1 row version and aluminum.  I did not keep any receipts from our rig, I just went and looked.   As Larry said, I bought that radiator in 2010.  It was under $200 at that time. 

Since you changed yours not long ago, as Jon asked..  how is the fan clutch?  Has it ever been changed?  On ours, the minute the gauge would budge, the fan would come on and drop the gauge instantly.  There were times when it was on quite a bit especially  on long grades.   It is a definite power killer but would rather have that than over heat.  There were other times on flat ground but extreme head winds that the fan would come on and cycle.  It is quite loud when it locks up.    You should hear it come on when you first start the engine when cold and last about a minute or so then turn off.  Since I am pretty sure I bought an extreme duty fan clutch, it might have been more sensitive than what is needed thus why we never had temp issues.

Ramon
2000 Mid-Bath
2012 Lance 830 Truck Camper/2006 Cummins Dodge Ram Megacab
1985 Multi Plan - Donated to the American Breast Cancer Foundation.

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@Mindispower , Got busy with work, did not get to respond yesterday.  I did not post any details of what I bought past the 1 row version and aluminum.  I did not keep any receipts from our rig, I just went and looked.   As Larry said, I bought that radiator in 2010.  It was under $200 at that time. 

Since you changed yours not long ago, as Jon asked..  how is the fan clutch?  Has it ever been changed?  On ours, the minute the gauge would budge, the fan would come on and drop the gauge instantly.  There were times when it was on quite a bit especially  on long grades.   It is a definite power killer but would rather have that than over heat.  There were other times on flat ground but extreme head winds that the fan would come on and cycle.  It is quite loud when it locks up.    You should hear it come on when you first start the engine when cold and last about a minute or so then turn off.  Since I am pretty sure I bought an extreme duty fan clutch, it might have been more sensitive than what is needed thus why we never had temp issues.

Ramon

Thanks Ramon. The fan definitely kicks in. When on the highway there are no issues. Of course vehicle speed comes into play. On a really hot day, when stopped, that needle heads toward the red zone like nobody's business. My next step is to change the tstat and add a mechanical gauge and go from there.
LD 22', 1989 Custom Build. Chassis 1990 Chevy Van G30, 5.7l.


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Hi Ramon! How’s the truck camper? We’re you able to use the catalytic heater?
Dale from Downey.

Dale, Check you PM
2000 Mid-Bath
2012 Lance 830 Truck Camper/2006 Cummins Dodge Ram Megacab
1985 Multi Plan - Donated to the American Breast Cancer Foundation.

 
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Reply #21
Mindispower, also note there are different temperature thermostats. I run a 180 degree thermostat in Harvey (he’s a 1989 22’ with a 350).

Larry, thanks for the advice on the fan clutch. I will be sure to carry a spare from now on.

Harvey, the RV
1989 22' Front Lounge

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Mindispower, also note there are different temperature thermostats. I run a 180 degree thermostat in Harvey (he’s a 1989 22’ with a 350).

Larry, thanks for the advice on the fan clutch. I will be sure to carry a spare from now on.
Oh my. I actually did not know that. Any further thoughts/advice?
LD 22', 1989 Custom Build. Chassis 1990 Chevy Van G30, 5.7l.

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Reply #23
A cooler thermostat will not prevent overheating, a thermostat’s number is the temperature that it opens and allow hot coolant from the engine to circulate through the radiator.

Larry
Larry
2003 23.5' Front Lounge, since new.  Previously 1983 22' Front Lounge.
Tow vehicles  2020 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon, 2001 Jeep Cherokee
Photo Collection: Lazy Daze