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1995 vs 2021
A few things I like better with our 27' 2021 MB over our former 23.5' 1995 TK.

The transmission and motor. The new 6 speed coupled with the new 7.3L V8 is so nice. I feel so much more in control especially when towing.

A built in surge protector, propane leak detector, and smoke detector.

A tire pressure monitoring system built-in.

Solar that also charges the chassis battery when the house batteries are topped off.

Larger bathroom.
Larger capacity (water, holding tanks, and propane).

Both are great rigs but the upgrades and latest technology in the new one are so nice.
2021 Mid Bath
Re: 1995 vs 2021
Reply #1 –
Yep, I feel the same about upgrading from a 1985 TK to a 2017 MB.  It's a world of difference, isn't it!?  I like your photo of the two LD's!
Greg & Victoria
2017 Mid-Bath  “Nocona” towing a manual 2015 Forester
Previously a 1985 TK
SKP #61264
Re: 1995 vs 2021
Reply #2 –
Thank you for sharing; this is helpful information know.

This topic complements my previous post, Advice on problems or dislikes, from 2020.

Hopefully, the quality of construction will continue to remain very high when the production of new builds resumes.
Sam
Re: 1995 vs 2021
Reply #3 –
Quote from: Wingersky  - 

Hopefully, the quality of construction will continue to remain very high when the production of new builds resumes.

Don't hold your breath waiting for a new LD.
From a source that knows. The Mothership has no bare cutaways in the yard and much of the staff has been laid off.
It doesn't look good.

Larry
Larry
2003 23.5' Front Lounge, since new.  Previously 1983 22' Front Lounge.
Tow vehicles  2020 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon, 2001 Jeep Cherokee
Photo Collection: Lazy Daze
Re: 1995 vs 2021
Reply #4 –
Quote from: Larry W  - 
Don't hold your breath waiting for a new LD.
From a source that knows. The Mothership has no bare cutaways in the yard and much of the staff has been laid off.  It doesn't look good.
That’s just about the worse RV news or speculation I’ve heard in a long time.   Certainly makes my RV troubles seem trivial.   Maybe putting my head in the sand is a solution?
Re: 1995 vs 2021
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Quote from: Ed & Margee  - 
That’s just about the worse RV news or speculation I’ve heard in a long time.   Certainly makes my RV troubles seem trivial.   Maybe putting my head in the sand is a solution?

The lack of available cutaways and the general worldwide supply-chain issues have added to LD's problems in manufacturing new units. War in Ukraine doesn't help improve things.
Interesting times we live in.

Larry
Larry
2003 23.5' Front Lounge, since new.  Previously 1983 22' Front Lounge.
Tow vehicles  2020 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon, 2001 Jeep Cherokee
Photo Collection: Lazy Daze
Re: 1995 vs 2021
Reply #6 –
 Not encouraging news, but not surprising. No chassis to build on, and likely only speculation on when chassis  might be available doesn’t offer much hope that the brand can continue.  :(
2003 TK has a new home
Re: 1995 vs 2021
Reply #7 –
I agree with the "interesting times we live in" comment. The cost of living increases may continue to get out of control.

Well, "putting my head in the sand" may work if the LD staff has been laid off due to covid-related supply chain issues.

I will wait and see what happens and hope for the opportunity to purchase a new build.
Sam
Re: 1995 vs 2021
Reply #9 –
The e-series decline, pre-chip shortage, was driven by fuel economy (CAFE) standards.  Ford did invest substantially in the 2021 engine/transmission upgrade (also shared with trucks, of course) which gave a lot of us hope that the e450 chassis would continue for heavier load applications (like RVs).  

Once the chip shortage hit, all vehicle manufacturers are prioritizing their highest profit vehicles.  A F450 Platinum is way more profitable for both Ford and the dealers than a bare e450 cutaway. 

We all understand that LazyDaze can't make RVs if they can get cutaways.  Unfortunately, that probably won't change for a while. 

Rich
2003 MB
Re: 1995 vs 2021
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Quote from: Larry W  - 
Don't hold your breath waiting for a new LD.
From a source that knows. The Mothership has no bare cutaways in the yard and much of the staff has been laid off.
It doesn't look good.

Yikes, that’s devastating news!
Greg & Victoria
2017 Mid-Bath  “Nocona” towing a manual 2015 Forester
Previously a 1985 TK
SKP #61264
Re: 1995 vs 2021
Reply #11 –
I think there should be hope for the E450 chassis cabs and strip chassis for the RV industry. Ford has a dominant position in this RV market. Once the chip shortages are relieved, Ford has to continue the products in the Ohio Assembly Plant per Ford-UAW labor agreement. The small amount of 650 and 750 produced in there are insufficient to feed that plant, it needs sizable volumes like those specialty Superduty trucks, chassis cabs, and strip chassis for the long term well beings for Ford medium duty truck business. The Kentucky Truck Plant is dedicated for the high volume Ford F250s. The F350 and F450 volumes are much lower and share a lot more common parts with E350 and E450, therefore they are much better to be build in the Ohio plant. When there is no more chip shortage Ford will squeeze out every possible units from that plant.

The real question is will the mother-ship survives long enough to see the happy days of no more chip shortage or supply chain disruptions, I think. I certainly hope so and pray for them.
2004 Mid Bath,
2007 Jeep Liberty Towed
Re: 1995 vs 2021
Reply #12 –
Quote from: colddog  - 
FYI --  looks like Ford E-Series have been falling for years

https://fordauthority.com/fmc/ford-motor-company-sales-numbers/ford-sales-numbers/ford-e-series-sales-numbers/

glen


The reason E series volume dropped from 2015 was Ford stopped the E series vans at that time and replaced them with the Transit, only chassis cabs (cutaways) are counted in the later years.
2004 Mid Bath,
2007 Jeep Liberty Towed
 
Re: 1995 vs 2021
Reply #13 –
great list of items which I'm glad I upgraded on our '94, so almost to par with a '21!

while the mother ship doesn't have cutaways, why not just adapt and start making pull trailers which don't depend on a Ford chasis? Not sure if trailer chasis are out of stock too, but they do seem easier to build and no chips are required...
1995 23.5 Rear Lounge
Re: 1995 vs 2021
Reply #14 –
Quote from: majortom  - 
great list of items which I'm glad I upgraded on our '94, so almost to par with a '21!

while the mother ship doesn't have cutaways, why not just adapt and start making pull trailers which don't depend on a Ford chassis? Not sure if trailer chassis are out of stock too, but they do seem easier to build and no chips are required...

It's complicated, consuming lots of time and money to design a completely new RV, LD has done it in the past a few times, but I seriously doubt Steve would be willing to start over again. He isn't a young man and no one working for him has the technical design skills.

Larry
Larry
2003 23.5' Front Lounge, since new.  Previously 1983 22' Front Lounge.
Tow vehicles  2020 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon, 2001 Jeep Cherokee
Photo Collection: Lazy Daze
Re: 1995 vs 2021
Reply #15 –
I agree, Larry.  I don't think there has been any succession planning at Lazy Daze and I'm afraid the end may be near. If so, my hope is they will focus on their repair business going forward.
Greg & Victoria
2017 Mid-Bath  “Nocona” towing a manual 2015 Forester
Previously a 1985 TK
SKP #61264
Re: 1995 vs 2021
Reply #16 –
Who knows what Steve’s plans are, but he’s worked very hard for a long time and is sitting on a large piece of real estate that could fund a very nice retirement. Of course, for a workaholic, retirement might not be in the cards. We’ll just have to wait and see. — Jon
(Former) ‘06 TK “Albatross.” And (former) Vespa 250.   Alas, no more; both are gone.😕 Great memories remain! 😄
Re: 1995 vs 2021
Reply #17 –
Quote from: Jon & Loni  - 
Who knows what Steve’s plans are, but he’s worked very hard for a long time and is sitting on a large piece of real estate that could fund a very nice retirement. Of course, for a workaholic, retirement might not be in the cards. We’ll just have to wait and see. — Jon
My plan is to hope, wait and see.
Sam
Re: 1995 vs 2021
Reply #18 –
I would keep my eye out for a good used one how many years have gone by already time is to short.
              Jody
2009 Kodiak 32 foot Island Bed
Re: 1995 vs 2021
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Quote from: Jody  - 
I would keep my eye out for a good used one how many years have gone by already time is to short.
              Jody
I agree; however, newer good-used LDs are tough to find.

I want to thank TEDEBOY for the original list of upgraded items he shared on his newer LD.
Sam
Re: 1995 vs 2021
Reply #20 –
After an extended time on the infamous waiting list and age slowing me down a bit, I've decided to order a Winnebago Travato and give it a try.   The price is a little painful but I think it will fill my needs as my active years slowly wind down.  I think Winnebago, and others , have done a good job with this Dodge Ram van.  Just have to make a "few" adjustments to live in this smaller space.  I'm not going with their big, expensive lithium battery because I think I can do fine without it.  My significant other will be willing to take over as relief driver which is a major issue.   So, that appears to be my future as I fade into the sunset.  If you notice an older gentleman in a class B honking at your LD, don't be concerned.   It's just me.
Frank
plan B - 2023 Travato
Re: 1995 vs 2021
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Quote from: Frank S  - 
After an extended time on the infamous waiting list and age slowing me down a bit, I've decided to order a Winnebago Travato and give it a try.   The price is a little painful but I think it will fill my needs as my active years slowly wind down.

The Travato does look nice once you get beyond the $153K price.  I agree, the solar/lithium option is way too pricey at an extra $33K.

Would have been in your shoes too had I not been lucky finding my 2017 TK.
Dave

2017 TK
Re: 1995 vs 2021
Reply #22 –
Quote from: Frank S  - 
After an extended time on the infamous waiting list and age slowing me down a bit, I've decided to order a Winnebago Travato and give it a try.   The price is a little painful but I think it will fill my needs as my active years slowly wind down.
Frank…I seriously doubt you’re alone in your decision.   Please consider updating the LDO Forum with pictures and comments.

Safe travels. 
Re: 1995 vs 2021
Reply #23 –
plan B?

Born Free do not make motorhome any more but I think they still make the truck camper and what I hear and saw in few campgrounds they are keeping the quality.

Coach house not sure how they are pricing now but when I bought LD they were at least 20-25% more but then it reflect on their one piece coach shell and perhaps more marine grade components or perhaps just market hype.

How about Tiger? their design have issue going from front to back but I think quality is comparable or better then LD but of course price is high but then you will get four wheel drive and more ground clearence.

Just giving ideas instead of just waiting and hoping.

Quote from: Wingersky  - 
My plan is to hope, wait and see.
Re: 1995 vs 2021
Reply #24 –
Not to make light of the situation but hopefully to bring a smile while you're waiting.  I think she is singing about a Lazy Daze?   :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbAoOeXC2Sg
Greg & Victoria
2017 Mid-Bath  “Nocona” towing a manual 2015 Forester
Previously a 1985 TK
SKP #61264