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oil plug extraction

Team,

It was supposed to be a routine 15-20 minute maintenance job of changing generator oil and I managed to get the oil drainage plug jammed. Could not take it out no matter what I do ..... then I remember reading some info here after screw extraction ....

First phase was to drill a hole in the screw and murphy's law, drill broke inside the screw. Last thing I want to do is to use another drill and create a spark. Any ideas? We have three weeks and a long list of thing before we can leave and was not counting on getting stuck on this item.

1) drainage plug, is this the right item Amazon.com: YOUHO 1/4 Npt Adapter for Pipe Fittings, Brass Pipe Fitting 1/4"... to replace the plug.

2) for extraction I would be happy to get this kit https://www.amaz on.com/gp/product/B0883575ZJ/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A1K5O96FUUQP43&th=1 but remember I have a broken bit in the screw/plug. Is there anything better I can order?

Hope to hear from experts soon. If you suggest anything from Walmart their delivery is quicker and if I can go to Home depot or Lowes to get parts it will be even better.

Regards,

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Reply #1
Honestly, at this point my strategy would be to drive (since it's the generator oil and not the engine oil, I think) to a mechanic who can help you out. 

If the plug is threaded correctly but just in too tight, that's one issue.

If the plug is jammed b/c it's cross threaded or something, it's going to be a more complicated fix needing different tools.

It shouldn't be a big deal for an experienced mechanic, but it sounds like you might be beyond what you are comfortable handling at home? 

Story time - many oil changes ago when I was first learning, I decided to wrench on a stuck oil plug until it moved.  I pulled, and added leverage, and pulled again.  Finally got it to spin...and spin...and spin...  It never came out because I was turning it in the wrong direction. I then learned how to replace an oil pan.

We all screw up and there is no shame in calling for reinforcements.  An experienced mechanic can fix things and you will have time to complete other items on the prep list. 

If you want advice on tackling it yourself, a picture might help.  I'm not sure why you would drill into a plug of this type, but I'm probably not understanding the situation correctly. 

Rich





2003 MB

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Reply #2

Rich,
You are right ... I tried to recruit the help (from neighbor) which made the situation pretty worse. I always see him working on his truck all the time and thought he knew the stuff ... oh well, lesson learned.

As for going to mechanic, I am still struggling to get the safety recall fixed. Place where I am it is not easy to get the help (will be making some calls tomorrow to see if I can find some professional help). Yesterday I spent 1+ hour with Ford to find someplace who can help me with safety recall and I finally got an appointment just two days before our departure and too close to my comfort but do not much option ... Motorhome was inspected during oil change and safety recall will need some work on the motorhome. With steering and break I do not want to take any chance.

In current condition of generator, in the worst case we will not be able to use microwave which is not a showstopper, we will be passing from the center of RV building mecca and hope to find some one there (if not fixed by then) to get this bolt out. In the mean time I found this product from Amazon which will come next Sunday and  I cannot wait to put my hand on it .... trying number of things in parallel.YESKING 50-Piece Screw Extractor and Drill Bit Set, Multi-Spline Extractors,...

Regards,

Honestly, at this point my strategy would be to drive (since it's the generator oil and not the engine oil, I think) to a mechanic who can help you out. 

If the plug is threaded correctly but just in too tight, that's one issue.

If the plug is jammed b/c it's cross threaded or something, it's going to be a more complicated fix needing different tools.

It shouldn't be a big deal for an experienced mechanic, but it sounds like you might be beyond what you are comfortable handling at home? 

Story time - many oil changes ago when I was first learning, I decided to wrench on a stuck oil plug until it moved.  I pulled, and added leverage, and pulled again.  Finally got it to spin...and spin...and spin...  It never came out because I was turning it in the wrong direction. I then learned how to replace an oil pan.

We all screw up and there is no shame in calling for reinforcements.  An experienced mechanic can fix things and you will have time to complete other items on the prep list. 

If you want advice on tackling it yourself, a picture might help.  I'm not sure why you would drill into a plug of this type, but I'm probably not understanding the situation correctly. 

Rich






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Reply #3
Following, as I am getting ready to do the same (without the problems, hopefully!). Good luck Muhammad!
Greg & Victoria
2017 Mid-Bath  “Nocona” towing a manual 2015 Forester
Previously a 1985 TK
SKP #61264

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Reply #4
As for going to mechanic, I am still struggling to get the safety recall fixed. Place where I am it is not easy to get the help (will be making some calls tomorrow to see if I can find some professional help). Yesterday I spent 1+ hour with Ford to find someplace who can help me with safety recall and I finally got an appointment just two days before our departure and too close to my comfort but do not much option ...

You might try a mobile mechanic that will come to you, if you have those in your area.  Way better (in my book) than having to drive somewhere.  I understand it might be hard to find anyone who isn't really busy these days.  You might be able to find a mobile mechanic at a campground as you travel.  Campground offices sometimes keep some names handy. 

I don't think this is a hard or complicated thing for a pro.  In my area, I would be looking for an oldtimer in an independent shop and not a dealership type place. 

Good luck,
Rich

2003 MB

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Reply #5
Following, as I am getting ready to do the same (without the problems, hopefully!). Good luck Muhammad!
I think it was my issue ... last year after 20 hours of generator use I did change the oil in one campground and at that time I did read the manual and it was emphasized not to tighten the screw. I am not sure how I messed up but only logical explanation is I screwed clockwise instead of counter clockwise. Using electric tool does not give you the feel you get from hand tools but do not have much choice here. As I said I was not expecting more then 20 minutes ..... it will be straight forward. My experience is just my stupidity .....

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Reply #6
Rich,
After seeing your message I looked around and found RV service place about 90 miles from my home. I do pay attention to number and quality of google reviews and this place is good enough at least on paper. They do work on the generator as well and I already sent them a message and will call them at 9 am when they will open .. as you said it is difficult to get into schedule now a days but they may have pity on me :-) I agree, with enough knowledge/experience and tools (and I am lacking both of them) this does not look like a big job and if they can put me on the schedule quickly they may get more business from me in future.... who know I may be able to get more solar panels as well if I am comfortable with the folks and the shop. After exchanging messages between Larry, Andy, Ron and few other folks here, I think solar panels are the weakest link of my power management system and this mishap may turn out to be an opportunity for me.

After reading messages here for years, I decided to stay away from Camping World and other big names. Though I had a good experience when stove was replaced under the warranty from one of the chain store but I can smell the greed ....

Good idea about the mobile techs .... I have seen them working in few campsites and if issue is not resolved before leaving this is a very good option. It is good to have enough in checking account, things do get little easier ...

Thanks for taking time to help me.

Take care,

You might try a mobile mechanic that will come to you, if you have those in your area.  Way better (in my book) than having to drive somewhere.  I understand it might be hard to find anyone who isn't really busy these days.  You might be able to find a mobile mechanic at a campground as you travel.  Campground offices sometimes keep some names handy. 

I don't think this is a hard or complicated thing for a pro.  In my area, I would be looking for an oldtimer in an independent shop and not a dealership type place. 

Good luck,
Rich



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Reply #7
You could also try a local machine shop. They would have the necessary skill and tools.
Greg & Victoria
2017 Mid-Bath  “Nocona” towing a manual 2015 Forester
Previously a 1985 TK
SKP #61264

 
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Reply #8
I'm assuming you are dealing with the drain plug. One word of caution, a broken drill bit is one thing but a broken easy out is a totally different deal. Use caution with the easy out..

Jon
1994 MB


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Reply #10
Jon,
You are testing my language skill ... I will have to look for broken easy meaning ....

Edit:
Had to see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYGLS4Gbfoo to understand the complexity. I think unfortunately person broke a bit inside the bolt and thanks ... I will understand if I will be told it is a bigger job then what I think. History now, I will get it fixed and move forward ....


I'm assuming you are dealing with the drain plug. One word of caution, a broken drill bit is one thing but a broken easy out is a totally different deal. Use caution with the easy out..

Jon

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Reply #11
"Easy Out" is a brand of screw extractor. The term is sometimes used generically, similar to "crescent wrench."

I agree with those who suggest letting an RV mechanic deal with this. If they ruin the oil pan's threads while trying to extract the plug (which is entirely possible), they can replace the oil pan. If you had to do that, it would take you even longer.

"in the worst case we will not be able to use microwave which is not a showstopper"

That's the spirit! Good attitude.
Andy Baird
2021 Ford Ranger towing 2019 Airstream 19CB
Previously: 1985 LD Twin/King "Gertie"; 2003 LD Midbath "Skylark"

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Reply #12
My mistake, what I was referring to was the screw extractor in your link. At any rate, if you think a broken drill bit is an obstacle a broken easy out is your worst nightmare. Sorry for the confusion.

Jon
1994 MB

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Reply #13
Jon,

Please don't be sorry.

I mentioned in one of my earlier post that English is my fourth or perhaps fifth language (have not seen Indian currency lately but at one time they had sixteen or seventeen languages on their currency). I am in US since 84 and been focused on my continuing education, career and now hobbies. I did not venture out too much out of my interests, hobbies and needs. Other folks in US for this long would know more but unfortunately I am not.

I am happy that this forum accepted me even with my ignorance and so many short comings.

You been very kind and helpful and last thing I want to hear is sorry. I know you were trying to help and I took your words seriously and tried to understand your message.

Be well.

My mistake, what I was referring to was the screw extractor in your link. At any rate, if you think a broken drill bit is an obstacle a broken easy out is your worst nightmare. Sorry for the confusion.

Jon

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Reply #14
I am pretty sure I posted the closure .... do not see that message, if it appears, my apologies for duplicate message ... short version of what I wrote ....

I called Onan and they were very kind to me and put me on their schedule next Monday and I know person did go above and beyond to give me this slot. They are expecting worst case scenario as Andy mentioned and will need to keep the RV for two days.

They told me that generator is in warranty but I know this is my fault and they will be in their right to charge me and I will not mind at all paying for my mistake. Only regret is I should have called them earlier yesterday am before letting anybody else touch RV. Lesson learned.

Hope this information will help somebody in my shoes in future.

We can put a closure on this issue now.

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Reply #15
Onan uses tapered pipe plugs for the oil drain, which can be hard to remove. I changed our LD's generator oil two weeks ago and found the plug to be very tight, even after not tightening it too much the last time the oil was changed.
I had to use a cheater along with a breaker bar and socket to remove it, I bet your drain plug needs the same treatment.
Tapered threads rarely strip when forced out, assuming they are rotated the correct way.

A simple saying I learned about six decades ago for tightening and loosening nuts and bolts is;
RIGHTY-TIGHTY AND LEFTY-LOOSEY

Larry
Larry
2003 23.5' Front Lounge, since new.  Previously 1983 22' Front Lounge.
Tow vehicles  2020 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon, 2001 Jeep Cherokee
Photo Collection: Lazy Daze

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Reply #16
Just changed the oil in my genny. The drain plug was snug but not too tight so no problems there. The only issue was when I ignored the Onan instructions to disconnect the negative (house) battery terminal, thinking why do I need to do that?  I found out when I accidentally hit the start button with the dipstick out of the oil fill opening and sprayed oil all over me!  Lesson learned, follow the directions! 😮
Greg & Victoria
2017 Mid-Bath  “Nocona” towing a manual 2015 Forester
Previously a 1985 TK
SKP #61264

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Reply #17
Hi Greg, so the MicroQuiet that most of you have drains out at the bottom.  My older Emerald II drains out sideways at the forward end of the crankcase. (passenger side).  RonB
RonB (Bostick) living in San Diego
Original owner of "Bluebelle" a '99 TKB

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Reply #18
Interesting, Ron. My generator is not the MicroQuiet but it does drain out the bottom.
Greg & Victoria
2017 Mid-Bath  “Nocona” towing a manual 2015 Forester
Previously a 1985 TK
SKP #61264