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Removing Folding Table From Wall
Started ripping up the 1987 22' today to address multiple wood rot spots.  I cannot figure out how to remove this table!  I've removed every screw, even checked the propane cabinet.  It will not budge.  Really hoping I don't have to remove exterior  siding! 
1987 22' Rear Lounge
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Yes it is screwed in from the outside if your not going to reinstall it you will have to break it apart or try to cut the screws between the wall and the cabinet either way there will be damage.
                                              Jody
2009 Kodiak 32 foot Island Bed
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Quote from: Kenny Z  - 
Started ripping up the 1987 22' today to address multiple wood rot spots.  I cannot figure out how to remove this table!  I've removed every screw, even checked the propane cabinet.  It will not budge.  Really hoping I don't have to remove exterior  siding! 

It most likely needs to come out in pieces, it's glued, screwed and stapled in place, none of the cabinetry in a Lazy Daze is designed to ever be removable.
The table is screwed in from the outside, to access the screws requires removing the siding, something I would go to great lengths to avoid, doing so opens up another can of worms. You already have enough worms to deal with.

Before you start tearing things apart, what exactly is rotted? Often, there is more than one way to access rot and sometimes it's best to leave some of it behind if getting to it causes more even damage.
There is a bit of experience on the forum dealing with rot, we have seen a lot of it over 20 years, BTDT.

Larry

Larry
2003 23.5' Front Lounge, since new.  Previously 1983 22' Front Lounge.
Tow vehicles  2020 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon, 2001 Jeep Cherokee
Photo Collection: Lazy Daze
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Thanks guys!  Looks like I'll just rip that folding table out then.  Here is what is going on. After these 2 videos, I pulled the lower rear passenger side cap off and there was a bit that needed to be addressed there.  I'll post a video of that soon, too.

Here are 2 videos.  One before things began and one when we finished up for the day.

https://youtu.be/GKZXlMDpCrc

https://youtu.be/9vTo9oT-TjU
1987 22' Rear Lounge
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Very interesting videos Ken and thank you for sharing them with us.   You certainly are much more enthusiastic about tackling challenging projects that I am.  Looking forward to your next videos.   🙏
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You have a full winter project, your LD has a generous helping amount of rot. You will need to disassemble much of the interior paneling to expose the hidden rot, rot is similar to icebergs, most of it is hidden beneath the surface.
I would first concentrate on sealing all the leaks to halt continued rot, the roof and the windows obviously leak badly and need total resealing.

Unless you are going to take the skin off to access the table's mounting screws, I would leave the table alone and open the walls around it, there may be enough intact structure to keep it in place, after rebuilding. It will be very hard or impossible to repair all the rot.
Check the floor under the driverside bench, the floor is waterstained around it.
I suspect both the front of the cab over and the rear wall have extensive rot, most old twin-kings have rotted rear corners, a tough repair. The front and rear of these models are commonly rotted, the result of deferred maintenance.
All LDs, regardless of age, will suffer the same faith if not maintained.

If I were your friend, I would recommend finding another rig without so much or any rot. Over 90% of the older rigs I have inspected have rotted walls or ceilings. A good inspection should have found most of this, so much of it is visible or easy to find by just poking your finger into the paneling.

Good luck with this project, keep us posted, you have a lot of work ahead of you.
Larry
Larry
2003 23.5' Front Lounge, since new.  Previously 1983 22' Front Lounge.
Tow vehicles  2020 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon, 2001 Jeep Cherokee
Photo Collection: Lazy Daze
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Yeah Larry, I went against everything I knew I should have done with this.  When I sold my 1963 converted bus, I made a 34 minute disclosure video of every issue I knew of, think it would need in the future (including tires), the features and even a test drive.  I guess part of me was hoping the seemingly nice people I was doing business were accurate and honest like I was in everything they were telling me.  We ended up arriving in their location after 10pm.  I think I felt bad for that and rushed things.  After the deal was made I figured out what I got myself into.  But I'm going to make this work, my friend.  It's not going to be the nicest rig, nor something the Mothership would say "great work".  However, we will make it safe, usable and water tight again.   I'm confident there will always be some hidden rot in this rig.  Heck, I was a junior in High School when this rolled into the showroom floor (1987). When we are done with it, I would be willing to bet it will be more solid than the majority of rigs from this era.  I would have really preferred to have purchased a Lazy Daze in its advertised condition, but as costly as this is going to be, I think I will benefit from the experience.  My handyman is letting me work right along side him and I am learning A LOT!  :-)
1987 22' Rear Lounge
 
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As long as you know this is going to be a long involved project, go for it. You will learn a lot during the process and learn to hate how well LD constructs things when you try to take them apart. We have had a few older rigs on the forum that needed extensive repairs before, done by the owners. You might get a few ideas from viewing what has been done in the past.
Hooray for rot repair!!
Hooray for rot repair!!
Here we go again! (Water damage)

Your experience with a dishonest, non-disclosing seller is typical, most folks finding their LD is badly rotted will almost instantly dump it on Craig's List or similar. No one wants to get stuck with a damaged RV.

Larry
Larry
2003 23.5' Front Lounge, since new.  Previously 1983 22' Front Lounge.
Tow vehicles  2020 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon, 2001 Jeep Cherokee
Photo Collection: Lazy Daze
Re: Removing Folding Table From Wall
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Quote from: Larry W  - 
As long as you know this is going to be a long involved project, go for it. You will learn a lot during the process and learn to hate how well LD constructs things when you try to take them apart. We have had a few older rigs on the forum that needed extensive repairs before, done by the owners. You might get a few ideas from viewing what has been done in the past.
Hooray for rot repair!!
Hooray for rot repair!!
Here we go again! (Water damage)

Your experience with a dishonest, non-disclosing seller is typical, most folks finding their LD is badly rotted will almost instantly dump it on Craig's List or similar. No one wants to get stuck with a damaged RV.

Larry


Thanks for the info, Larry!  Those links are helpful.  I really wish more people would document working on these as it might really help others to see what is behind all the solid construction and give some idea as to what involvement will be needed.

At first when I was discovering the damage, I did have thoughts on getting just selling it.  BUT, I'm still old school and am a firm believer of full disclosure.  And full disclosure would have meant someone would have given us pennies on the dollar leaving us with no money to purchase another motorhome.  So far I have been pleasantly surprised that it's not as damaged as I was expecting.  So far my investigation has led me to believe the cabover will require the most extensive work.  Today, I unscrewed and removed the last of the caps. I did discover that while the edges of the "luan" (I learned that word from the links you provided), are delaminated and fraying, the inside seems to be more intact.

1987 22' Rear Lounge
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I had many offers for my rig over the summer and I knew I had a little rot problem.  Well I'm glad I didn't sell and will have it fixed for the next person.  I think all the luan will be replaced with plywood and we will repaint the interior as I don't have room to fully remove the entire siding.
1997 TK