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EasyStart™ 364 Soft Starter For AC
Is anyone using the EasyStart™ 364 Soft Starter on the AC, or similar unit?
I’ve only found one post on this and it was from four years ago.
How is it working for you? We are doing more dry camping and will be using our Onan generator to run the AC.  Is this worth the $ investment?
SoCal-Gal  (Tracy)
1991 26.5 RB
Previous 1988 22’ LD Multi plan
Previous 1992 Six-pack Camper
Spare the sealant, spoil the job.
Travelers: Tracy, spouse Anthony, Coton de Tulear, Gabby and parrotlet, Indigo

Re: EasyStart™ 364 Soft Starter For AC
Reply #1
I hope that the forum's electrical gurus will comment on this. I read through the description of the functions and uses on the product's website, but didn't see reasons why this would be needed to run the AC in an LD.

Hoping for enlightenment from the "wireheads"!  ;)  
2003 TK has a new home

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Reply #2
Is there a particular problem you're trying to solve with the soft start unit?

Your onboard generator should have plenty of capacity to start the A/C.  If it does, the only difference you might see is a lighter wallet. 

Rich
2003 MB

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Reply #3

An Easy-Start is a solid-state, soft-start device, it slowly brings the A/C’s compressor up to speed and doesn’t need the large surge of power at startup, typicalof most A/C units. .
It’s not very useful for use with your LD’s generator but they are useful for starting A/Cs with iffy campground power or with a smaller generator.

For helping hard starts, a heavy-duty starting capacitor can be useful and cost about 5% of an Easy-Start .
Amazon.com: SUPCO SPP6 Relay/Capacitor Hard Start Kit with 500% Increase...

Larry

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Larry
2003 23.5' Front Lounge, since new.  Previously 1983 22' Front Lounge.
Tow vehicles  2020 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon, 2001 Jeep Cherokee
Photo Collection: Lazy Daze

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Reply #4
There are those with massive solar arrays, lithium batteries, and really big inverters that might need such a device to run their roof air, but RV air conditioners will be designed to have a softer starting power requirement anyway, since it is assumed they may run on the generator.

Steve
2004 FL
2013 Honda Fit

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Reply #5
Thanks, Rich, Larry, and Steve. Your answers confirm what I thought. 😉
2003 TK has a new home

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Reply #6
I’ve seen this type of device mentioned on the Escape trailer forum where portable generators are commonly used.
Greg & Victoria
2017 Mid-Bath  “Nocona” towing a manual 2015 Forester
Previously a 1985 TK
SKP #61264

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Reply #7

Sorry but I am going to upset the apple cart here.

We use one and it has made a huge difference.  And it can make a big difference on the wear and tear of your AC and Generator even if your setup is different than ours (e.g. newer more powerful generator than ours).

The problem with Air Conditioner (found out when researching this) is that they start up both the fan and the condenser at the same time - which is huge surge of energy demand.
You will see in your Air Conditioner specs that it requires a certain size generator to run, not all LDs came with that size generator (depends how new your Air Conditioner is and the model and what size generator you have and likely how well is is performing - outputting power).

This means your Air Conditioning might seem to run fine, but it will put extra wear and tear on both your Air Conditioner and your generator  (e.g. shorter life for both - I can't say how much shorter).

The soft start (at least the one we bought) starts only one of these up at a time, so the spike is not as high (than the normal both starting at the same time).
From what I remember it also gives a ramp up of electricity supplied to the Air Conditioner so that it knows how much is needed without doing a big pull on your generator (e.g. makes it just right according to Goldilocks).

We replaced our Air Conditioner (old one finally gave out) with a new one that was more powerful (as well as newer).
It required more power (4000K generator was called for) and it would not run on our smaller generator (we have a 89TK with a 2.8K microlite generator, likely the original one, used mostly to exercise it monthly as it doesn't have a lot of hours on it).

With the softstart out Air Conditioner runs great and I am surprised at how low the spikes were to start it up.  Since the soft start's main purpose was to lower the spike of the condensor and fan both demanding power when the Air Conditioner was turned on, I am going to disagree that newer RV Air Conditioners do that for you.  We put in a Dometic Brisk Air II if I remember right.

We drove to CA around Sept 202, hit a heat wave (110-115 during the day, still very hot at night maybe 95).  We ran our new Air Conditioner on the generator the entire time we drove and our stop for the night half way there (at a truck stop) with ease.

So I would not only check if your Air Conditioner runs but what size generator it calls for. If your generator is not large enough, get a softstart.
We bought this one  Soft Start RV  SSRV3T.  We got it from Amazon because the company said it would get it to us in 2 days but then after we ordered said it would be 2 weeks. We canceled it, they asked if we still wanted it if they could send it in 2 days (by then it was 1-2 days later and we would miss the weekend we planned to install it), we said sorry too late.  We got the Amazon one on time (being prime members).

We found a good place for it inside our Air Conditioner case (different than their suggestion which would not work but a nice secure place to put it). We had to call as their documentation at the time didn't include a piece of important information that we needed to make it work.  [They were behind in documentation updates (many RV Air Conditioners needed specific info for them), hopefully all that has been updated now.]  They responded very quickly (within an hour) to calls for help even on a weekend.

I am not on the forum much these days (or seeing the emails it generates), life is just too busy, so it might take me time to respond back if anyone has any further questions. I tried to anticipate them and give you full information.

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Jane & Scott
Currently have a 1989 TK  LD we did a lot of upgrades on.
Bigfoot 25RQ Twin on order with early summer 2024 ETA

Our smartphone autocorrects into very poor English.
 We disclaim the illusion of ignorance this creates as we have enough ignorance we rightly claim.

 
Re: EasyStart™ 364 Soft Starter For AC
Reply #8

Just my personal experience: with my 2003 midbath (Onan MicroQuiet 4000W generator, unknown air conditioner--whatever was standard in '03), I found that often, trying to turn on the air conditioner while the generator was running would cause the generator to disconnect. Evidently the startup surge was too much for it. This happened even if I set the air conditioner control to low fan first, then to cool, in an attempt to manage the initial current draw.

The cure in my case was to first enable my 2,000 W whole-house inverter. When the generator dropped out, the inverter would automatically take over for just the second or two needed to get past that surge; then the generator would reconnect and I could switch off the inverter.

Obviously this is not a solution for everyone. I'm guessing that a SUPCO SPP6 unit or the more expensive Soft Start unit that Jane mentioned would have eliminated the need for this workaround.

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Andy Baird
2021 Ford Ranger towing 2019 Airstream 19CB
Previously: 1985 LD Twin/King "Gertie"; 2003 LD Midbath "Skylark"

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Reply #9
We ran into a situation with our generator and AC in Valley of the Gods in Utah this spring.  When it got near 98 to 100 degrees our AC would kill our generator several times.  We restarted many times but it would not handle it.  I serviced the AC a year ago and all seemed to be in good working order but we do not really don't get to check it out here in the Great North West where it might get in the 90s.  Later I ran the generator and the AC when it was in the lower 90s and it ran fine.  I would like to test the AC with shore power and run it when it gets to the high 90 when ever that is?  But for now I think I will invest in the new Capacitor Larry suggested.  More insight here would be greatly appreciated.

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                                     Karen~Liam
                                       98 ~ MB
                                          NinA

1998 ~ MB  WanderDaze
previously a 1984 Winnebago itaska- The Road Warrior, before that several VW Buses and before that a 1965 Chrysler Convertible Newport or our 1969 Chrysler La Barron with an ice box and a couple sleeping bags

Re: EasyStart™ 364 Soft Starter For AC
Reply #10
If I had a generator to run my AC I would get the soft start.
Steve and Jill, Steve posting
1999 26.5 Mid-Bath

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Reply #11
We ran into a situation with our generator and AC in Valley of the Gods in Utah this spring.  When it got near 98 to 100 degrees our AC would kill our generator several times.  We restarted many times but it would not handle it.  I serviced the AC a year ago and all seemed to be in good working order but we do not really don't get to check it out here in the Great North West where it might get in the 90s.  Later I ran the generator and the AC when it was in the lower 90s and it ran fine.

My 4000W Onan (2005 vintage) had the same symptoms about 5 years ago. Adding a capacitor did not change things. The cure was a new fuel pump for the generator; after that, it had no problem starting and running the air conditioner in 105 degree heat.
2005 Jayco 24SS

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Reply #12
Eric, Thanks for that information, the Generator in our 98~MB  was installed by Lazy Daze after the unit was delivered to the first owner, he had them add it about a year later.  Either way the unit is about 21 years old now so maybe it may be time.


   ~Liam
1998 ~ MB  WanderDaze
previously a 1984 Winnebago itaska- The Road Warrior, before that several VW Buses and before that a 1965 Chrysler Convertible Newport or our 1969 Chrysler La Barron with an ice box and a couple sleeping bags

Re: EasyStart™ 364 Soft Starter For AC
Reply #13
I would give the SUPCO SPP6 Relay/Capacitor Hard Start Kit a try, at least less than $15, it may do just what you want. It's a lot cheaper than the soft-start, at $330.
Add-on Soft-starts definitely have a place in the RV world, they should be built into A/C units instead of being an aftermarket item. Even 4000-watt generators can have a tough time staring when at high altitudes.
Soft-start motor-controls systems were a revolution 25 years ago. At LAX, all the escalators and elevators were converted to solid-state, soft-starts, to eliminate the shock loading on the equipment with full torque starts, slowly ramping up the torque eliminates a lot of wear, leading to much longer time intervals between maintenance and rebuilds, greatly reducing lower operating costs.
It is hard to imagine how complicated a project it is to rebuild a 1/4 mile long escalator, lots and lots of pieces.

Larry
Larry
2003 23.5' Front Lounge, since new.  Previously 1983 22' Front Lounge.
Tow vehicles  2020 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon, 2001 Jeep Cherokee
Photo Collection: Lazy Daze

Re: EasyStart™ 364 Soft Starter For AC
Reply #14
Just my personal experience: with my 2003 midbath (Onan MicroQuiet 4000W generator, unknown air conditioner--whatever was standard in '03), I found that often, trying to turn on the air conditioner while the generator was running would cause the generator to disconnect. Evidently the startup surge was too much for it. This happened even if I set the air conditioner control to low fan first, then to cool, in an attempt to manage the initial current draw.

The cure in my case was to first enable my 2,000 W whole-house inverter. When the generator dropped out, the inverter would automatically take over for just the second or two needed to get past that surge; then the generator would reconnect and I could switch off the inverter.

Obviously this is not a solution for everyone. I'm guessing that a SUPCO SPP6 unit or the more expensive Soft Start unit that Jane mentioned would have eliminated the need for this workaround.

Andy I am surprised by this.  Do you remember the air conditioner model you had or what size generator it said was needed? Maybe you were running other big energy users at the time, not just the air conditioner?
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Jane & Scott
Currently have a 1989 TK  LD we did a lot of upgrades on.
Bigfoot 25RQ Twin on order with early summer 2024 ETA

Our smartphone autocorrects into very poor English.
 We disclaim the illusion of ignorance this creates as we have enough ignorance we rightly claim.

Re: EasyStart™ 364 Soft Starter For AC
Reply #15
My 4000W Onan (2005 vintage) had the same symptoms about 5 years ago. Adding a capacitor did not change things. The cure was a new fuel pump for the generator; after that, it had no problem starting and running the air conditioner in 105 degree heat.

Did you do any testing to know that the generator was not putting out enough wattage before the new fuel pump and put out more wattage after the new fuel pump?
Jane & Scott
Currently have a 1989 TK  LD we did a lot of upgrades on.
Bigfoot 25RQ Twin on order with early summer 2024 ETA

Our smartphone autocorrects into very poor English.
 We disclaim the illusion of ignorance this creates as we have enough ignorance we rightly claim.

Re: EasyStart™ 364 Soft Starter For AC
Reply #16
“Do you remember the air conditioner model you had…”

As I said, it was whatever Lazy Daze was installing in 2003. Probably 15,000 BTU, but could have been 13,500.

“…or what size generator it said was needed?”

I have to assume LD wouldn’t install an air conditioner that needed a more powerful generator than the 4,000 W one that came with the coach, but not knowing the exact air conditioner model, I can’t look up the specs.

“Maybe you were running other big energy users at the time, not just the air conditioner?”

No, I knew better than to do that. I didn’t even have the charger turned on. And as others have reported, my experience wasn’t unique.

My best guess is that either the air conditioner or the generator was getting a bit creaky in its old age. I’m guessing the air conditioner was the more likely culprit. Unfortunately, Skylark's current owners are not members of this group, so they can’t chime in and shed light on this.
Andy Baird
2021 Ford Ranger towing 2019 Airstream 19CB
Previously: 1985 LD Twin/King "Gertie"; 2003 LD Midbath "Skylark"