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Do I need a stove?
As our 1 year anniversary of being added to the waitlist is getting closer I have begun to dream of our LD. We have been RVing since 2008 and with that experience I am beginning to debate whether we really need a stove. I do the majority of the cooking and I absolutely hate the stove that comes with RVs. So, I am beginning to think I don’t want a stove in our LD. Is there anyone out there using something else for cooking? Air Fryer, InstaPot, Induction top? Anyone remove their stove? The majority of our camping will be Boondocking so we definitely plan on having sufficient solar. We have a small Blackstone griddle so outside cooking is covered.

Cheers,
Julie
14 months on the waitlist...

Re: Do I need a stove?
Reply #1
"I absolutely hate the stove that comes with RVs."


Julie

You may want to direct your question to Andy Baird. I believe he would have some strong opinions in that regard.  ;)
Steve S.
Lazy Bones & Cedar
2004 30'IB (Island Bed)
Yesterday is History, Tomorrow is a Mystery
Live for the day!

Re: Do I need a stove?
Reply #2
It's very rare that I ever use the stovetop or oven in my Lazy Daze. I use an induction cooktop, an Instant Pot, the microwave, and an outdoor grill 99% of the time. It works out great for me. I have 500 watts of solar and a nice, equivalent bank of lithium batteries, so I have never had a problem with running the electric appliances. I only run the generator on rare occasions and when I do I exercise it for at least an hour, and I time it for an Instant Pot run at the same time.

Others prefer not to have as many electric appliances, and would rather use propane, thus they use the stovetop and oven more. Personal preference.
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Jan Forseth
2007 27' Midbath named Footloose

Re: Do I need a stove?
Reply #3
We do things in the RV oven that we wouldn't do in the oven at home only because it runs on propane. 

I personally would find it an extra hassle to rely on 120v appliances.  Others with a different solar setup or camping style won't have any issues.

Andy talks about his stove upgrade (one of them anyway) at the bottom of this page:
Upgrade frenzy

Rich
2003 MB

Re: Do I need a stove?
Reply #4
No stove, no oven... I don't think so!

I could not describe how many uses I put my stove to. Heating water to make my coffee is not the least even if I have power to run the microwave. I'm not about to run the generator to boil a pot of water!

Now about that oven! I'm a major foodie and I feel deprived if I can't have my biscuits, especially for biscuits and gravy, and most of the guys and gals that hang with me would go away in tears without my B&G.

I recall a New Year GTG with the Caravan Club in Death Valley when that oven kept a tray of Lumpia warm until time for the potluck. Come to think of it, I only got one helping of those Lumpia because by the time I was ready for seconds they were all gone.  :D
Steve S.
Lazy Bones & Cedar
2004 30'IB (Island Bed)
Yesterday is History, Tomorrow is a Mystery
Live for the day!

Re: Do I need a stove?
Reply #5
I use all the appliances, water on the propane stove for the French press, grilled sandwiches, pancakes.  I have gas at home, controlling the  flame is the only way for me personally that I can cook. Oven for meatloaf or cookies or pound  cake.  If the factory  stove is of no use for your needs.  Maybe just ignore It, you'll be  happy to have it for resale.  I'm very  curious  what the factory  says should  you ask to delete its installation.

Nadine


Re: Do I need a stove?
Reply #6
Julie, it would be interesting to hear more about why you hate propane-powered RV stoves. Then perhaps we'd have a better idea of what to recommend.

From the alternatives you mention (air fryer, Instant Pot, induction top), it sounds as if you don't do much baking. If you go the all-electric route Jan described, those appliances could handle your needs. But since like her, you plan to do a lot of boondocking, you'll need a serious solar/battery system--cooking appliances are energy hogs.

I've had solar/battery configurations similar to Jan's in at least two of my RVs, but like Rich and Lazy Bones, I like cooking with propane. (On the other hand, my refrigerator is powered by 12 VDC... but that's another story.)

I'll briefly describe my experiences. In my first two RVs (both Lazy Dazes), I upgraded the standard stove to one with a larger oven. (This is described in the "Upgrade Frenzy" page Rich linked to.) In retrospect, the extra height was only a minor improvement; the stoves were still typical RV stoves. But I did a lot of cooking and baking with those stoves over the years.

Later, I replaced the RV stoves in my Lazy Daze and my first Airstream with Force 10 marine stoves (see photo). These are entirely built of stainless steel; they have quiet electronic ignition rather than bang-bang piezo igniters; the ignition works for the oven as well as the stovetop, so I don't have to get down on my knees; and perhaps most important, there are flame sensors on all burners that prevent gas flow unless the burner is lit--an important safety feature. More than once I've accidentally started the gas flowing by leaning against the knobs of a conventional RV stove.

When I moved into my current, smaller Airstream, I found the three-burner RV stovetop was a waste of valuable counter space, and the huge, all-electric microwave/convection oven was useless when boondocking. (I prefer not to use a generator.) So I removed both the stovetop and the microwave/convection oven and substituted a single Eno marine burner (see photo). That satisfies my stovetop needs, since I almost never need more than one burner. The cavity below the stovetop will get a much-needed set of kitchen drawers when I get around to it. :-) For now, it serves as an adjunct pantry.

I now had a stovetop, but no oven… and I love to bake. I solved that problem with a Swedish Omnia stovetop oven (see photo). This device looks like a glorified bundt pan, but it does most of the jobs of a conventional oven while taking up very little space when not in use. I’ve made biscuits, calzone (see photo), gingerbread, cornbread, quiche, and apple strudel, among other things, and all turned out perfect. About the only thing I can’t make is a pizza, but calzone is a good substitute.

These cooking solutions may not suit your preferences, especially if you prefer an all-electric kitchen, but I mention them here in case others may find them interesting.

P.S.--I'm sorry these photos look so ghastly. It's due to an intermittent bug in the discussion board software, which our fearless moderators are still working on tracking down.
Andy Baird
2021 Ford Ranger towing 2019 Airstream 19CB
Previously: 1985 LD Twin/King "Gertie"; 2003 LD Midbath "Skylark"

 
Re: Do I need a stove?
Reply #7
I love my stove top for morning coffee and breakfast. I have only used the oven in cold weather. Most of my cooking is done outside. I have a small charcoal grill, a small gas grill that I in me use if charcoal is not permitted. I especially mike using the dutch oven.

The first two pictures I used a charcoal grill. The last picture of ribs cooked in a dutch oven in the fire pit.
2002 TK 24ft

Re: Do I need a stove?
Reply #8
Have the stove installed and then remove it after delivery.
If and when the rig is resold, the lack of a stove will reduce its value, most buyers want a stove.

Another possible option is to have the Mothership install the propane line, leaving it capped off, and not to cut out the countertop. Store the stove.
When resold, the countertop can be cut out and the stove installed. You would still have a hole in the cabinet where the body of the stove would normally be located. Do not expect LD to build a custom cabinet to fill the empty spot, the response is guaranteed to be "NO".

If you are not going to use the stove, another option would be to find or make a large cutting board that fits over the top of the stove.
Going with all-electric cooking is going to require a significant amount of cash for the needed solar, battery and inverter upgrades.

Larry
Larry
2003 23.5' Front Lounge, since new.  Previously 1983 22' Front Lounge.
Tow vehicles  2020 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon, 2001 Jeep Cherokee
Photo Collection: Lazy Daze

Re: Do I need a stove?
Reply #9
"Going with all-electric cooking is going to require a significant amount of cash for the needed solar, battery and inverter upgrades."
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Or, always being hooked up or running the generator. To me, it would be very limiting to not have the propane stove; unless I'm using the small charcoal grills or the larger propane grill or the butane canister one burner stove (outside), almost all of the onroad cooking I do, from morning coffee to preparing the dog's food, to cooking for me, is stove top. If I have a hookup, I will zap some stuff, but, otherwise, the stove is in play.

Each person has different preferences for cooking and food prep; I had friends who never used the stove in their Chinook. They either ate out or made sandwiches or cereal. I had other friends who would have starved without a hookup or running the generator; everything they ate was microwaved. People do what people do; I'll keep the stove.  ;)

YMMV, as always.
2003 TK has a new home

Re: Do I need a stove?
Reply #10
We typically cook outdoors during acceptable weather but even in great weather the stove gets used 100% every morning for brewed coffee using a percolating pot.  The oven hasn't been used all that much beyond keeping items warmed while the rest of the meal is being prepared but we put it to good use as we will store items in there when not in use.  As mentioned before, it would be a PIA if you went to sell it down the road and it didn't have these items in it IMO....

Good luck and have fun getting ready for delivery!!!

Bill
2013 31' Silver Twin Bed
Semi-retired 6/21....

Re: Do I need a stove?
Reply #11
So back to our original poster, Julie: what is it about RV stoves that you "absolutely hate"?
Andy Baird
2021 Ford Ranger towing 2019 Airstream 19CB
Previously: 1985 LD Twin/King "Gertie"; 2003 LD Midbath "Skylark"

Re: Do I need a stove?
Reply #12
We only use the oven as a storage compartment but we do use the stove top pretty regularly. Now when it comes to bacon that’s always done outside.
Steve
2003TK

Re: Do I need a stove?
Reply #13
So back to our original poster, Julie: what is it about RV stoves that you "absolutely hate"?
I really enjoy the feed back everyone.

I live in a rural area and cook with propane. I LOVE cooking with propane specifically because it is so easy to control the heat. I dislike RV ovens because they are small and hard to light. I really dislike having to get down on my knees to light a stove and as I am getting older it is getting harder to get up. As I mentioned previously, we have been RVing since 2008 and during that time I used the oven maybe 3 times.  I used the oven for storage.

We do have Blackstone and like to do a lot of our cooking outdoors.  I also have an Omni so I believe this could suffice as an oven for me and Andy you are right: I am not much a of a baker. I think the space the oven is taking up could be utilized differently. I kind of like the idea Larry had of just pulling out the stove and store it once we get our LD.

The other thing I have been thinking about are portable power stations and the possibility of utilizing said power station to power an Air Fryer. With how quickly technology advances I think the portable power stations will be even more powerful, efficient, and smaller by the time we get our LD.

Cheers,
Julie


14 months on the waitlist...

Re: Do I need a stove?
Reply #14
I love my stove top for morning coffee and breakfast. I have only used the oven in cold weather. Most of my cooking is done outside. I have a small charcoal grill, a small gas grill that I in me use if charcoal is not permitted. I especially mike using the dutch oven.

The first two pictures I used a charcoal grill. The last picture of ribs cooked in a dutch oven in the fire pit.

Those dishes are looking absolutely delicious! 😋 Especially those ribs!

Smacking my lips,
Julie
14 months on the waitlist...

Re: Do I need a stove?
Reply #15
" I especially mike [like] using the dutch oven. "

Hear, hear, Dutch Ovens rule! Although my two are lightly used they are greatly loved. Don't know of a thing you can't cook in a Dutch. But technique is the key, if you do your job the oven will make you look like a hero!   8)

My only failure was when I decided to bury it in the ground. Too much heat will turn a roast to a cinder!  :D
Steve S.
Lazy Bones & Cedar
2004 30'IB (Island Bed)
Yesterday is History, Tomorrow is a Mystery
Live for the day!

Re: Do I need a stove?
Reply #16

"I dislike RV ovens because they are small and hard to light. I really dislike having to get down on my knees to light a stove and as I am getting older it is getting harder to get up."

I'm with you there! As mentioned, the Force 10 marine stoves I've owned light the oven with the push of a button mounted on the panel with the knobs (via an electronically generated high-voltage spark, similar to what ignites an RV furnace or water heater), so that annoyance is avoided. But given how little you bake in a conventional oven, it's probably not worth the fifteen hundred dollars it would cost to replace the RV stove that comes with your Lazy Daze. I think Larry's idea of removing the stove and replacing it with a countertop and cupboard or drawers sounds like a better fit for your needs.

"The other thing I have been thinking about are portable power stations and the possibility of utilizing said power station to power an Air Fryer."

I see a couple of drawbacks to that approach. First, air fryers draw anywhere from 1,000 to 2,000 watts. If you get one of the smaller fryers, you could run it from one of the larger 1,500 watt-hour portable power stations, but that would cost you about $1,600. And unless you need to be able to cook in a tent, why buy a portable battery pack rather than upgrading the house batteries your RV already has?

Second, and more important, since power stations don't make power--they merely store it--that power has to come from somewhere. In other words, you'd need to recharge the power station. Unless you had a large solar panel array (400-600 watts or more), that would take a long time. As for the 100-200 watt suitcase-style solar panels often sold with these power stations... those would take forever to replenish 1,500 watt-hours.

If you really want to cook with electricity, the most cost-effective way is to follow Jan's example: lots of solar panels charging lots of house batteries, powering a big multi-thousand-watt inverter. The advantage is, of course, no propane use. The disadvantage is the high cost. The batteries had better be lithium; lead-acid batteries--even AGMs--do NOT like huge power drains. I had five high-quality Lifeline AGM batteries in my midbath, but when I ran my microwave oven from my 2,000 watt inverter, it drew 130 amps from those batteries, and that really strained them. Lithium (LiFePO4) batteries cost more, but they can stand up to heavy loads.

The bottom line is that while it's possible to cook with electricity while boondocking, doing so requires a substantial investment in solar panels (five or six, if you can fit them), batteries (four or five of them, and lithium instead of AGM), a different charging system to keep the lithium batteries happy, a large inverter, and major wiring upgrades to handle the massive currents that inverter will be drawing. (We're talking about cable approximately the diameter of garden hose, at about ten bucks per foot--see photo--plus matching lugs.) And, need I add, labor--unless you're prepared to do all your own electrical rework, as Jan and her partner did, and as I have done.

It's a lot easier to stick with propane.

So again, I like Larry's idea: pull out the stove, wrap it up neatly and store it. Replace it with a countertop, a single or double propane burner, and a cabinet or drawers below that... but do it so that you can swap the original stove back in when it comes time to resell. Use your Omnia oven on the stovetop on the rare occasions when you need to bake.

That's my, um, three cents worth. :-)

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Andy Baird
2021 Ford Ranger towing 2019 Airstream 19CB
Previously: 1985 LD Twin/King "Gertie"; 2003 LD Midbath "Skylark"

Re: Do I need a stove?
Reply #17
Thanks everyone for your input! It is greatly appreciated

Cheers,
Julie
14 months on the waitlist...

Re: Do I need a stove?
Reply #18
My family would rebel without their fresh baked chocolate chip cookies and hot chocolate, it’s a camping requirement for us. I use the stove and oven on every trip. 8) I agree, I dislike having to get down on my knees and reach to the back of the oven to light it.
SoCal-Gal  (Tracy)
1991 26.5 RB
Previous 1988 22’ LD Multi plan
Previous 1992 Six-pack Camper
Spare the sealant, spoil the job.
Travelers: Tracy, spouse Anthony, Coton de Tulear, Gabby and parrotlet, Indigo