Re: And then there was a LEAK!! Reply #25 – August 16, 2020, 10:37:28 am Raised the winegard satellite receiver to clean and reseal. Discovered the joint with 4 bolts had been in contact with the roof and worn a hole thru to bare wood. Would like to uninstall the whole dish. Is this overreacting? It was installed by camping world so the entire install ( as was mentioned by another member on this thread ) is probably suspect. Ugh. So uninstall and patch the roof. Is this overreacting? I won't ever use satellite tv. Here's some pictures. 1 Likes
Re: And then there was a LEAK!! Reply #26 – August 16, 2020, 10:40:50 am Quote from: JodiH - August 16, 2020, 10:37:28 am I won't ever use satellite tv. That being said, I would remove it. No need having it up there if it isn't going to be used. 1 Likes
Re: And then there was a LEAK!! Reply #27 – August 16, 2020, 12:08:02 pm Consider if the sattalite would add value and how long you plan to use the LD. You could store it if it has value but you don’t want to use it. Any wire connectors remove in a ways that someone else could reattach to it - with the saved sattalite or a more modern replacement.When you repair the roof I suggest using J-B-Weld for aluminum, Scott works in aviation and that is what they use. Use it like wood putty and do layers if the spot you are patching is deep (label talks about depths).Jane 1 Likes
Re: And then there was a LEAK!! Reply #28 – August 16, 2020, 12:08:28 pm As Colin Fletcher said in The Complete Walker, mind the ounces and the pounds will take care of themselves. Arguments for removal: 1) it is damaging the rig, 2) you do not/will not use it, 3) it is extra weight as high above the center of gravity as possible, 4) it makes a lousy dog toy. Arguments for retention . . . . uh, can I get back to you on that?Weight is always a consideration with my 31' and project it is on the mind of everyone with a 30 or 31'. Think of an equivalent weight of Lincoln treats/toys that an unused antenna offsets?Just one dog person's opinion, take if for what it's worth. joel 3 Likes As an Amazon Associate Lazy Daze Owners' Group earns from qualifying purchases.
Re: And then there was a LEAK!! Reply #29 – August 16, 2020, 12:58:33 pm Hi Jodi; At least you found your leak! The weight penalty, non aerodynamic placement, and likelyhood of being obsolete; it sure looks to me like a candidate for removal. A large piece of thick aluminum to cover all of the damage, including its footprint, and wiring entry. RonB 3 Likes
Re: And then there was a LEAK!! Reply #30 – August 16, 2020, 01:14:33 pm Quote from: joel wiley - August 16, 2020, 12:08:28 pmAs Colin Fletcher said in The Complete Walker, mind the ounces and the pounds will take care of themselves.Not sure I've ever found anyone else in the past several decades who read this - my bible when I started backpacking!Steve 1 Likes As an Amazon Associate Lazy Daze Owners' Group earns from qualifying purchases.
Re: And then there was a LEAK!! Reply #31 – August 16, 2020, 01:45:14 pm "Colin Fletcher"Now there's a name I haven't seen in years!LazyBones2 has been trying to divest ourselves of three lightly used rigid frame Kelty backpacks that have been hanging in the garage for quite some time. Old technology, yes, but they've still got a few miles on them. 1 Likes
Re: And then there was a LEAK!! Reply #32 – August 16, 2020, 01:51:51 pm Jodi,I'd remove it. Don't store it. Sell it if you can or junk it, unless you like having junk lying around. It will be subject to obsolescence at some point, probably before you sell you LD. If you or someone else wants satellite TV down the road buy one of the portable units like the Tailgater.I'm glad you found your leak but am sorry that your rig was damaged by incompetent installation of the dish.Once you have everything removed I suggest you send some photos to LD to see if they have any advice about how best to remedy the damage.Congrats on some good sleuthing and your willingness to tackle this job quickly. 3 Likes
Re: And then there was a LEAK!! Reply #33 – August 16, 2020, 02:01:31 pm Jodi,Great news on you finding the leak! My vote would be for its removal! If I recall correctly, the LD factory places reinforcement up in the roof area when you order a factory installation of the satellite dish. If you attempt to add one later after taking delivery, you are placing added weight to an area on your roof that has not been reinforced. That added weight above the center of gravity is likely going to be rocking back and forth especially when deployed during wind storms, etc. Adding to your problem, your dish was placed by "the experts at CW" so it was preordained to fail at some point.I know the previous owner added the satellite, but this should be an advisory to us all to be careful which additions we all choose to add to the factory product and whether or not reinforcement is needed. Hopefully you will not find any significant water damage to your rig and you will be back in business!Best,Gary 1 Likes
Re: And then there was a LEAK!! Reply #34 – August 16, 2020, 02:01:52 pm I'm with everyone else, she's gotta go. I patched our old one with a piece of aluminum, 3M 5200 FC and eternabond to really seal it up. Never leaked again. Remember, that is right in the middle of the lake so what ever you use has got to be good.Jon 1 Likes
Re: And then there was a LEAK!! Reply #35 – August 16, 2020, 02:08:32 pm Quote from: Steve - August 16, 2020, 01:14:33 pmNot sure I've ever found anyone else in the past several decades who read this - my bible when I started backpacking!SteveI first heard of it from a guy that drilled holes in his toothbrush handle !
Re: And then there was a LEAK!! Reply #36 – August 16, 2020, 06:27:04 pm The Complete Walker looks like this, these days. Drive Medical Nitro Euro Style Rollator Rolling Walker, Red - Walmart.com -... 2 Likes
Re: And then there was a LEAK!! Reply #37 – August 16, 2020, 07:59:03 pm Definitely remove it, it’s obsolete.The is a big hole under the dish that needs sealing. Most home centers sell pieces of sheet aluminum in squares that should fit. Look in the roofing section. Buy the thickest possible. Also buy a tube of polyurethane sealant, 3M 5200 FC is my favorite, along with a package of #8 X 1” stainless steel sheet metal screws.After removing the dish, clean the surface well and lightly sand. Pre drill pilot holes in the aluminum square. Liberally apply the sealant around the holes and screw it down. Cover the screws and around the perimeter of the square with sealant.Reseal the TV antenna while you are at it.Glad you found the leak and it is an easy repair.LarryIn the much cooler Sierras 3 Likes
Re: And then there was a LEAK!! Reply #38 – August 16, 2020, 08:14:19 pm Thank you all so so much for your advice and encouragement. I was getting so very frustrated and overwhelmed!! Then login to see all this positive posts that I'm headed in the right direction. I took off the satellite and batwing. Or course they had to put the wire bracket for the satellite wires over the front seam eternabond so now that needs to be redone too. Smh!Thinking about getting a portable for local channels if needed. If I'm patching this roof up I'm really just going to go for the big guns. I think I'll keep the cb and radio antenna. I like being able to listen to the truckers for entertainment and have gotten out of some sticky traffic situations by having the CB. The repair is going to happen in a month or so as I'm on call for the next few weekends. That will give me time to get supplies referenced above together. Thanks again!! I'm sure I'll be asking more questions as this project progresses!!My dad is going to try to sell the satellite dish on fb marketplace or craigslist and the batwing is going in the trash.Suggestions or advice on portable local channel antennas welcome. I attached a photo of a popular one from Amazon in addition to the post removal pictures. Love you guys!! Helping me stay semi-sane!! 2 Likes
Re: And then there was a LEAK!! Reply #39 – August 16, 2020, 08:34:06 pm Hi Jodi; You got off pretty easy, after removing that old satellite antenna. As far as that King Omni antenna, It looks like it is ready to grab a branch at it's first opportunity! I think the old bat-wing sensar is still one of the best at bringing in local stations. I upgraded mine, using the same mast and crank up mechanism, with a new King amplifier head. King Jack OA8300 White Replacement RV Antenna Head - Walmart.com - Walmart.com I also got the electronic signal finder. The output jack from the new head points straight down, which is rough on the wire attached when the head is lowered. So I put in a right angle adaptor to lessen the strain. https://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-106775-Female-Adapter-Plated/dp/B0069LY4KG/ref=pd_lpo_23_img_0/132-8281299-0629826?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B0069LY4KG&pd_rd_r=4f570b21-2b8f-42c4-b527-224886acd187&pd_rd_w=m1LIp&pd_rd_wg=szuSr&pf_rd_p=7b36d496-f366-4631-94d3-61b87b52511b&pf_rd_r=AA3KY7JNC8XM8J2C142R&psc=1&refRID=AA3KY7JNC8XM8J2C142R While I had it apart, I also upgraded to RG-6U cable and replaced the part out in the sunlight. It was in bad shape. RonB 3 Likes As an Amazon Associate Lazy Daze Owners' Group earns from qualifying purchases.
Re: And then there was a LEAK!! Reply #40 – August 16, 2020, 09:02:45 pm Sorry about that. I wasn't very clear. Thinking about a portable ( not roof mounted ) antenna.
Re: And then there was a LEAK!! Reply #41 – September 05, 2020, 08:10:25 am The work stretch is over so now its time to get back to work on this roof. Thanks again for all the suggestions thus far. I think Ive got a grip on what to do with the large access holes that were created in the aluminum roof. Looking for some other clarification....See pic: The footprint of the satellite base surround has screw holes every few inches where the base was attached to the roof. There is no large hole to cover in this area. Do I need to cover this whole footprint with a sheet of aluminum or is there another solution? Wondering if I can fill the holes with 3m 5200 fast cure - then eternabond over that? Also, the hole to top right of picture is where the cords from the satellite went into the overhead cab. I believe this hole is in the fiberglass. Whats the solution for patching this? Aluminum sheeting on this too?
Re: And then there was a LEAK!! Reply #42 – September 05, 2020, 01:10:50 pm Hi Jodi; After scraping all of that caulking off to bare aluminum, just around each screw hole, I would just fill each hole with some sealant and put in a slightly larger stainless steel screw. Then prep it and paint over it. Probably spray paint. The hole in the fiberglass, first clean the edge of the hole with acetone. Careful, that stuff will damage the paint. Then I would pack it with fiberglass insulation until the hole was about 3/4" deep, then use Bondo (liquid polyester resin with glass fibers) to fill it. Have you worked with Bondo before? Hope you have. Some experience is good before a project like this. Keep an eye on it for a year or so to make sure the Bondo plug doesn't work loose from temperature swings or flexing of the front nose cap. It is durable stuff. There are plenty of cars out there with patches that no one ever knows about. Then time to repair what looks like Eternabond on the seam from roof to cap. RonB 1 Likes
Re: And then there was a LEAK!! Reply #43 – September 05, 2020, 01:46:56 pm Quote from: JodiH - September 05, 2020, 08:10:25 amI think I've got a grip on what to do with the large access holes that were created in the aluminum roof. Looking for some other clarification....ith 3M 5200 fast cure - then Eternabond over that? Also, the hole to top right of picture is where the cords from the satellite went into the overhead cab. I believe this hole is in the fiberglass. Whats the solution for patching this? Aluminum sheeting on this too?For the small holes, I would fill them with 3M 5200-FC and then apply a square of Eternabond tape over each hole. The bigger holes could be patched this way but I would prefer to cover them with sheet aluminum patch, glued to the roof with 5200, and secured during curing with some short stainless steel sheet metal screws. With the bigger holes, it wouldn't be hard to accidentally punch through Eternabond, causing another leak, a sheet aluminum patch would provide better protectionA big square of sheet aluminum could also be used to cover the whole area. Using 5200 and Eternabond tape will be the easiest fix. Either way, if done right, will be a permanent cure.The hole near the front cap can be sealed the same way, with 5200 and Eternabond.Larry 3 Likes
Re: And then there was a LEAK!! Reply #44 – September 05, 2020, 03:37:27 pm I'm with Larry on the small stuff, the big hole in the fiberglass I think I'd clean it up well ( careful with the Eternabond already installed ) seal it well with 5200 and then Eternabond over the top of the hole area . I wouldn't want to get tangled up with the front seam if I didn't have to. I ran a bead of 5200 on the leading edge of my Eternabond just to seal against the oncoming wind. On the other 4 holes, I'd go the plate of aluminum route with 5200 and eternabond over the top fill the holes with 5200 before you cover them.Jon 1 Likes
Re: And then there was a LEAK!! Reply #45 – September 06, 2020, 10:15:13 am Wow!! Getting all that dicor or whatever it was off and to clean bare aluminum was no joke. Took two of us two hours (4 labor hours) to do these couple small areas! We weren't able to get the front part of the satellite base and access plate clean without compromising the eternabond. Decided to cut a line through the enternabond and clean it up the best we could. Next weekend is the patching and sealing up of all the holes - big and little. Here is a pic of our cleaned up front seam - hoping once patched I can put eternabond over this "gap" in the front seam and call it a day - thoughts? Worried I need to redo the whole front seam (right to left)- the gap is about 12" wide - wish I would've taken a better picture. The red box in the second pic is the amount of Eternabond we had to remove.Would be great if I had unlimited time and access to to do this all at once instead of stops and starts. Thankfully its in covered storage - would add another level of stress if we were still outside!! 1 Likes
Re: And then there was a LEAK!! Reply #46 – October 29, 2021, 10:39:33 am You need to do a complete reseal in my opinion....one leak means they probably did not prep the surface well enough before applying the eternabond. Start fresh, do alot of research...i did mine and worked on it for about 4 hours a day till i got it done....my old sealant was in great shape so i did not remove it( 04 mb was garage kept by origi al owners) but nowyou will need to remove the eternabond plus the old sealant....clean...clean and prep it properly tape off the areas using the blue painters tape.....now is the time to replace old fans ....covers, caps etc.I watched a video on how to remove eternabond....heat it up and slowly pull it off....this is why no one wants to work on anything where eternabond was installed....labor intensive....$$$$$Eternabond when applied properly is a good way to seal things....but if done wrong it ends of making the job 10 times worse....Research how to do it....dont use any sealants that are permanent such as the marine sealant 5200...this is used to secure hardware on boats that are never ment to be removed...such as cleats..etc. if you have to replace a fan you will tear it apart trying to remove it.....Call the mothership and ask what they recomended...i did and it worked great.Research...research....take your time and do it right the first time...i posted some pictures on mine....and many others have to.
Re: And then there was a LEAK!! Reply #47 – October 29, 2021, 05:53:34 pm I have to disagree about 3M 5200 FastCure.I have used it for four decades and, IMO, it is the best adhesive/sealant available and has an extremely long lifespan.During the ten years I worked on LDs, it was what I used 90% of the time when I wanted a permanent repair, end caps for an example.Do make sure the surface is properly prepared for best results.Larry
Re: And then there was a LEAK!! Reply #48 – October 29, 2021, 05:56:43 pm Key word is permanent.....i would not want it around a maxxfan...fantastic....Also if you have to replace one of the cap rails....and you secured it with 5200....that is going to be a difficult repair.Marine 5200 has it uses.....
Re: And then there was a LEAK!! Reply #49 – October 29, 2021, 06:53:57 pm Quote from: Franram - October 29, 2021, 05:56:43 pmKey word is permanent.....i would not want it around a maxxfan...fantastic....Also if you have to replace one of the cap rails....and you secured it with 5200....that is going to be a difficult repair.Marine 5200 has it uses.....3M 5200 works fine for fans and other roof penetrations, all of our LD’s vents have been sealed with it for over ten years, plus a lot of other LDs have had the same treatment without issues.How much long-term experience do you have using 3M 5200? I have been using it for almost 40 years for a wide range of applications on LDs and for other professional uses. 3M 5200 is my ‘go-to’ adhesive sealant when working on LDs, I have used other sealants and been disappointed in the long-term results. Retired LD tech and professional industrial mechanic. Larry 2 Likes
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