foggy windows July 22, 2020, 07:03:01 pm has any body had their foggy windows repaired? If so by who and where.
Re: foggy windows Reply #1 – July 22, 2020, 07:16:16 pm has anybody had their foggy windows repaired? i have been unable to find anyone to do the repairs. 1 Likes
Re: foggy windows Reply #2 – July 22, 2020, 07:19:58 pm Some have, and many have talked about it. Searching the archives should yield some good information.Here's one thread: Rear WIndow Fog repairUnfortunately, IMO there hasn't been anyone who has reported a great experience getting windows unfogged with their Lazy Daze and so there isn't a go-to recommendation. There have been a few reports of less than great experiences, mostly because companies aren't prepared for the windows to be quite that hard to get out of the coach. I guess it's easier to pop them out with other RV manufacturers. The re-install typically doesn't recreate the what came from the factory either. Sorry I can't offer a clearer (pun intended) solution.Perhaps others have had good experiences and I'm not aware of them. I know many people would be interested to hear about it!Rich'03 MB in NC 1 Likes
Re: foggy windows Reply #3 – July 22, 2020, 11:54:38 pm Quote from: vandenboschlou - July 22, 2020, 07:03:01 pmhas any body had their foggy windows repaired? If so by who and where.What year/model LD do you own?Chris
Re: foggy windows Reply #4 – July 23, 2020, 04:00:48 am Hi Rich. I have removed windows from a different brand than my TK LD. My previous coach, a Skyline 'Lindy', once you removed the framework screws inside, you better have someone waiting to catch the window outside. They literally fall out!!. Mine had a dried up strip of that gray butylene goo holding the window in. I can say the same for my parents Tioga '78, and a friends 'Honey' that I helped catch windows for. A repairman expecting that, would find LDs to be incomprehensible. A previous review from somone who had their windows done, said they damaged the paint, aluminum sidewall, and charged extra because the windows were so difficult to remove. They also didn't reinstall them properly either. I can't find that review at the moment. Fortunately I don't have the air gap windows. RonB
Re: foggy windows Reply #5 – July 23, 2020, 08:58:54 am RV Glass Experts has shops in Coburg, OR, and Phoenix, AZ:Expert Nationwide RV Windshield and Window Replacement | RV Glass SolutionsOne might also check Redlands Truck and RV in Redlands, CA; they apparently work with a company called "Reliable Glass", which does several types of window repairs and replacements. (Note: there are several companies in a variety of locations which are called "Reliable Glass".)The factory does replace fogged windows (expensive), but doesn't repair them, i.e., remove the sealant between the panes and clean the "fog". If the windows have been fogged for a while, they may be etched and not cleanable.
Re: foggy windows Reply #6 – July 23, 2020, 09:32:01 am How can one prevent them from getting foggy? My 99's still look good. I want to keep it that way
Re: foggy windows Reply #7 – July 23, 2020, 09:51:20 am "How can one prevent them from getting foggy?"----Your 1999 model does not have dual-pane windows; LD first used dual pane windows in 2003 models, as far as I know. Be happy that you have single pane windows. 2 Likes
Re: foggy windows Reply #8 – July 23, 2020, 01:16:42 pm In 1999 Lazy Daze advertised 'dual' pane because they were two pieces of glass bonded with plastic, standard safety glass. But no air space between, so not much R-value. Still thicker and quieter than my previous motorhome which had single thickness glass, and I'm sure saved some weight. RonB Glad I can't have that expensive 'fogging' problem. 1 Likes
Re: foggy windows Reply #9 – July 23, 2020, 02:33:46 pm Quote from: RonB - July 23, 2020, 01:16:42 pmIn 1999 Lazy Daze advertised 'dual' pane because they were two pieces of glass bonded with plastic, standard safety glass. But no air space between, so not much R-value. Still thicker and quieter than my previous motorhome which had single thickness glass, and I'm sure saved some weight. RonB Glad I can't have that expensive 'fogging' problem.Yeah, but . . . That will change if you buy a new LD, Ron! 😉
Re: foggy windows Reply #10 – July 23, 2020, 05:26:49 pm And I lose two cylinders of engine, and one cylinder of generator! RonB 1 Likes
Re: foggy windows Reply #11 – July 24, 2020, 02:05:05 am I think my fogged windows contribute a nice diffused magical look to the great out doors:^) 1 Likes
Re: foggy windows Reply #12 – July 24, 2020, 08:51:32 am In my limited experience, it seems that those of us who have experienced this with our windows had the Bilstein shocks installed at purchase with the thought that the heavier duty shocks would improve handling.BIG MISTAKE!! They simply make the ride hard and IIMHO increase the chance of the windows losing their seals and fogging! I'm stubborn so after spending extra for the shocks I kept them until all but one window had lost it's seal. Replaced with NAPA RV shocks finally. What a change!! The ride improved 100% and I see no loss of control.
Re: foggy windows Reply #13 – July 24, 2020, 09:09:49 am It would be interesting to know if there is some correlation between the stiffer Bilstien shocks and fogged windows. Since the windows are one of the best features of a Lazy Daze, fogged ones would be unacceptable to me.Like Ron, my ‘85 did not have an air gap so weren’t a problem.
Re: foggy windows Reply #14 – July 24, 2020, 10:11:56 am I am thinking of deleting The Companion. It really chaps me to see questions like this one repeatedly asked when the answers have been posted for years on The Companion. I not picking on vandenboschlou who is a newbie and shares nothing about himself or his rig on his profile. He is typical of the newer users of this forum who ask first, rather than going to Larry's wealth of information or The Companion.Research first, then ask questions. There is nothing new under the sun.Just making new friends here.PS, Found under Foggy WindowsThe Lazy Daze Companion: Fogged WindowsIf Oregon or Arizona are not convenient locations for you, you are likely out of luck. Removing the windows is not trivial due to the fine adhesive the Mothership uses. Better to DIY than let someone damage your windows with force.
Re: foggy windows Reply #15 – July 24, 2020, 10:30:17 am Quote from: Dorothy Malpas - July 24, 2020, 10:11:56 amI am thinking of deleting The Companion. It really chaps me to see questions like this one repeatedly asked when the answers have been posted for years on The Companion. I not picking on vandenboschlou who is a newbie and shares nothing about himself or his rig on his profile. He is typical of the newer users of this forum who ask first, rather than going to Larry's wealth of information or The Companion.Research first, then ask questions. There is nothing new under the sun.Just making new friends here.PS, Found under Foggy WindowsThe Lazy Daze Companion: Fogged WindowsIf Oregon or Arizona are not convenient locations for you, you are likely out of luck. Removing the windows is not trivial due to the fine adhesive the Mothership uses. Better to DIY than let someone damage your windows with force.For those of you who are new or newer to the Lazy Daze Owners' Group, and perhaps not familiar with the Lazy Daze Companion, please familiarize yourselves with its content. Don and some other members spent a bunch of time compiling this valuable source of mostly Lazy Daze specific information. Don, in particular, contributed many hours in organizing The Companion and is, as you can see, proud and protective of it. LDOG members are happy to answer your questions but do encourage you to check out the search function which is part of this platform and The Companion to see if your particular issue has been addressed in the past. Over the past 20 years or so, many issues have been addressed. Feel free to continue to share your issues with us.Chris 1 Likes
Re: foggy windows Reply #16 – July 24, 2020, 10:57:24 am Chris, IMHO this needs to posted on the entry page and/or in the response to new member signup and approval.Charles 3 Likes
Re: foggy windows Reply #17 – July 24, 2020, 11:02:54 am Quote from: Charles & Donna - July 24, 2020, 10:57:24 amChris, IMHO this needs to posted on the entry page and/or in the response to new member signup and approval.CharlesCharles, this is a good suggestion and will be given attention.Chris 1 Likes
Re: foggy windows Reply #18 – July 24, 2020, 11:20:56 am "...some correlation between the stiffer Bilstien shocks and fogged windows."---IMO, the fact that a rig may have Bilsteins or any "stiff" shock installed is irrelevant to whether the dual pane windows fog, particularly older dual pane windows with less effective sealants; if there is hard evidence that only rigs with stiff shocks experience fogged windows, I haven't seen it. Motorhomes, no matter what shocks or suspensions they have, are subject to major stresses; dual pane windows are only one of the many components which are rattled and banged, torqued and "whumped", during normal driving. It's a wonder that stuff is not flying off the LD when going down the road; in poorly-built RVs, stuff is!The inherent weakness of dual pane windows is the sealant "block" between the panes; if it's compromised from drying out, cracking, or shrinking, moisture gets in and condensation occurs between the panes. If the condensation is left for a period of time without the window being taken apart, cleaned, and re-sealed, the condensation etches into the glass and the window will remain "fogged". YMMV, of course.
Re: foggy windows Reply #19 – July 24, 2020, 11:22:35 am On the other hand, in spite of the companion this thread probably was a good idea. Maybe someone has new ideas or a new shop that did it right. 1 Likes
Re: foggy windows Reply #20 – July 24, 2020, 11:39:31 am I'd like to point out that fogged windows are also a problem in 'sticks and bricks' houses. A friend just spent a lot to fix several windows in her house. None subject to extreme temperatures, (San Diego) some not in much sunlight, some never opened, etc., and not all that old either. I think the degree of insulation gained isn't worth as much as the degree of sound attenuation in my experience. I avoid extremes of temperature when possible, some snow is good to look at. RonB
Re: foggy windows Reply #21 – July 24, 2020, 02:22:42 pm The dual pane, insulated windows are the biggest disappointment in our LD , all of our main windows suffer from some degree of fogging. And we have two windows at home with the same issue.,In the LD, pas Ron pointed out, we noticed little thermal insulation, the main benefit is the noise reduction. All things considered, The older windows are preferable, IMO.Larry
Re: foggy windows Reply #22 – July 24, 2020, 02:39:19 pm I’ve probably asked this before but do other class C brands have the foggy window issue?
Re: foggy windows Reply #23 – July 24, 2020, 02:41:40 pm A couple of observations on selection bias(1) For every person who comes and asks a question that has been covered again and again in the Companion, there are many more we never hear from because they find the information without asking. It has been an invaluable resource for me. (2) Replacing any old shocks (like Bilsteins) with new shocks (like NAPA) is going to be a big improvement. It's practically impossible to separate the old/new from the brand switch. Rich'03 MB in NC
Re: foggy windows Reply #24 – July 24, 2020, 02:46:29 pm I was very disappointed when LD went to the dual pane windows. I think they should have at least offered them as an option as many RV companies do. I would never option for them in an RV and most of the time they are an extra cost item. The added temperature insulation is minimal as most have stated, and the noise factor doesn't make much difference during the day with either windows open or the air conditioner running. Nights are usually quiet unless you are parked in a truck stop or Wal-Mart with truck noise, in which case maybe they have some redeeming value.Rich - Birch Bay, WA
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