Re: A better stovetop toaster? Reply #25 – April 15, 2020, 12:51:26 pm IMO, the most efficient way to make any type of heat in an RV is with propane, it's the cheapest, most dependable and least technological way of cooking, water heating and space heating plus our LDs come everything Factory installed, no need to install a large inverter and an upgraded electrical system. Other than a toaster, we have no requirements for large amounts of 120-VAC power, 12-volts takes care of the rest of our electrical needs, without the cost and inefficiencies of inverting battery power. KISS.The Japanese have all sorts of interesting kitchen tools that fold up and take little storage room, a consideration in the shorter LDs with considerably less available storage space than the 27' and 31' models. Found this toaster and it folds up smaller than any other one I have seen and will toast two pieces of bread at once. The downside, it's pricey. Still significantly cheaper than an electric toaster and large inverter. The search goes on.UniFlame Camping Equipment Cooker Fan Multi Roaster 660072 for sale online |...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtsVXOFzjJ0Uniflame Toaster • Adventure CuratedLarry
Re: A better stovetop toaster? Reply #26 – April 15, 2020, 03:09:00 pm Quote from: Larry W - April 15, 2020, 12:51:26 pmFound this toaster and it folds up smaller than any other one I have seen and will toast two pieces of bread at once. LarryVegemite sold separately
Re: A better stovetop toaster? Reply #27 – April 16, 2020, 12:26:16 am Quote from: Sawyer - April 15, 2020, 11:27:41 amThat's a very low end estimate and I'm no electricity expert but I think it's the huge immediate draw of power from the heating elements that's the issue with inverters. A toaster trips my 2000 watt inverter every time not to mention what it does to draw down your batteries.It's not a low end estimate, 850 watt's is what's on the bottom of my Black & Decker toaster; the first two toasters I checkedon Amazon were 800W and 900W. It's been a common number for two slice toasters for decades. The measured starting resitance is 18 ohms, so the immediate draw isn't very high - 7 or 8 amps at most; it used about 30 WH for two pieces of dark toast, which is about 3 AH from the batteries (adjusting for the high current, the AH "equivalent" out of the battery might be as much as 6 AH). Neither of the 1000 W modified sine wave inverters in my previous motorhome or the current motorhome have ever tripped.Check the wattage on the toaster you've tried on your inverter. If it's less than 1000 W, your inverter may have a problem. It should have no trouble running the standard two slice toaster.
Re: A better stovetop toaster? Reply #28 – April 16, 2020, 09:30:32 am Quote from: Eric Greenwell - April 16, 2020, 12:26:16 amCheck the wattage on the toaster you've tried on your inverter. If it's less than 1000 W, your inverter may have a problem. It should have no trouble running the standard two slice toaster.No can do. Threw our toaster out many years ago. Heating elements and inverters and batteries don't mix. Even if you could run your toaster off batteries you would draw them down so much it wouldn't be worth it. Oh and don't get me started on hair dryers. A friend of my wife's visited once and after showering plugged in her hair dryer she smuggled into our house. It did not end well. Then there's things like microwaves that also use more power than you would think. We ditched that too. Really not worth firing up the generator for these so called modern conveniences and once you haven't had them a while they are not missed. 2 Likes
Re: A better stovetop toaster? Reply #29 – April 16, 2020, 08:24:25 pm I haven't seen mention of the old (antique) stove top toaster. Looks like a four-sided grater with a flat bottom/platform. On my grandmother's there were wires to hold the bread. It worked great but you had to stand right there to keep the toast from burning. Toast one side, flip it over and toast the other side. The Dixon that Ken mentioned is certainly a step up on this old model. Shiny, too! JuliWMinden, NV
Re: A better stovetop toaster? Reply #30 – April 16, 2020, 08:35:10 pm Stovetop toasters are excellent for testing the smoke detector. So is a lot of cooking for that matter. Apart from boiling water for coffee, cooking gets done in the Instant Pot, the microwave, or outside on the BBQ. 1 Likes
Re: A better stovetop toaster? Reply #31 – April 19, 2020, 02:48:35 am I generally use a frying pan with regular bread but have used the broiler for baguette style toast or an english muffin. Don't see why that wouldn't work for regular sliced bread as well. Is there a reason no one has mentioned it? Do the new ovens not have the broiler feature? Makes me want to go out to the Lazy Daze just to give it a try.I could never get the boy scout type of stove top toasters to work very well.JohnF2003 T/K
Re: A better stovetop toaster? Reply #32 – April 19, 2020, 12:46:57 pm Quote from: JohnF - April 19, 2020, 02:48:35 amI generally use a frying pan with regular bread but have used the broiler for baguette style toast or an english muffin. Don't see why that wouldn't work for regular sliced bread as well. Is there a reason no one has mentioned it? Do the new ovens not have the broiler feature? Makes me want to go out to the Lazy Daze just to give it a try.Unless someone has broken into our 2003 LD, in the last month, and installed a broiler in the oven without us knowing about it, it doesn't have a broiler....just checked, no one snuck in and installed one.An oven has the burner at the bottom, a broiler has a burner located at the top. Most home ovens have both.Larry 1 Likes
Re: A better stovetop toaster? Reply #33 – April 19, 2020, 12:52:41 pm Recalling the LD Motorhome Manual suggestion of toasting on a piece of aluminum foil placed on the bottom of the oven. My wife, being of English decent, has toast and eggs daily and has tried it - so far no complaints. Might anyone have notable experience with this method, pro or con, to share?Warren
Re: A better stovetop toaster? Reply #34 – April 19, 2020, 12:56:02 pm Quote from: Larry W - April 19, 2020, 12:46:57 pmUnless someone has broken into our 2003 LD, in the last month, and installed a broiler in the oven without us knowing about it, it doesn't have a broiler....just checked, no one snuck in and installed one.An oven has the burner at the bottom, a broiler has a burner located at the top. Most home ovens have both.LarryWell, Larry, time to upgrade to at least a 2007, as we have a broiler and use it to make toast. Never even considered making toast on the range. 1 Likes
Re: A better stovetop toaster? Reply #35 – April 19, 2020, 03:23:23 pm Quote from: Larry W - April 19, 2020, 12:46:57 pmUnless someone has broken into our 2003 LD, in the last month, and installed a broiler in the oven without us knowing about it, it doesn't have a broiler....just checked, no one snuck in and installed one.An oven has the burner at the bottom, a broiler has a burner located at the top. Most home ovens have both.Larry, the knob has a 'Broil' setting. This from Atwood/Wedgewood:"4. USING THE BROILER:a. Light the oven pilot as described in #2 (above).b. Push in and rotate the oven control knob counter-clockwiseBROIL.c. Center a broiler pan under the broiler flame.d. Move and turn the food over frequently to ensure even browning andcooking.Note: A 2-piece enameled broiler pan (MPD 51042) may be purchased fromAtwood.Note: Cooking times will be longer at higher attitudes (+4000 feet)"https://tweetys.com/broil-n-bakepan.aspxSteve
Re: A better stovetop toaster? Reply #36 – April 19, 2020, 03:48:11 pm Quote from: Don Malpas - April 19, 2020, 12:56:02 pmWell, Larry, time to upgrade to at least a 2007, as we have a broiler and use it to make toast. Never even considered making toast on the range.Wonder when the oven was upgraded to one with a broiler and how much room it takes up? The existing space inside the oven is already small without an additional burner. One upgrade I wish for is a remote quartz igniter for the oven, it's a PIA to get down one's knees to light the oven's pilot, a reason why the oven isn't used more.A stovetop toaster is still preferable for our use, we cook outside a lot, it's cleaner and doesn't leave lingering odors in the rig...or set off the smoke detector.Larry
Re: A better stovetop toaster? Reply #37 – April 19, 2020, 04:36:19 pm I could be mistaken, but my recollection is that Atwood's idea of a broiler is what Warren said: they expect you to put food on the floor of the oven under the main (and only) burner. I rarely tried it, but Warren's wife has shown that it works. As with any broiler, you'd need to catch closely to prevent charring.(Mmmm, toast and eggs sound good!)
Re: A better stovetop toaster? Reply #38 – April 19, 2020, 04:41:17 pm "Wonder when the oven was upgraded to one with a broiler and how much room it takes up? "On our 2019 the oven burner is beneath the false floor. Perhaps we're getting "wrapped around the axle" on the term "broiler". At any rate, I just checked with my toast and "Eggspert" wife (her word not mine), and she says the toast on the floor thing works fine for her.Warren
Re: A better stovetop toaster? Reply #39 – April 19, 2020, 05:20:37 pm In our 2002 MB we would toast bread at the bottom of the oven under the burner on a shallow baking tray. We would have to keep an eye on it and turn the bread over to toast both sides, but it did work.Art
Re: A better stovetop toaster? Reply #40 – April 19, 2020, 07:35:51 pm We have a broiler in our '06 RB and had the same in the '94 MB. I use a small cookie sheet for garlic toast, cheese toast, etc. Yes, you could certainly do regular toast, English muffins, etc. With toast, the same problem of having to turn it over. Ah, adventures in cooking! Juli W.Minden, NV
Re: A better stovetop toaster? Reply #41 – April 19, 2020, 08:52:58 pm The broiler in a LD is an interesting thing. Our ‘15 RB has no broiler. It’s interesting to think that the Mothership would include such an oven in older LD’s and not in later models. Are these LD’s with broilers OEM equipped from LD? Does the broiler require the ignition of a pilot light for the broiler and/or the oven? Is there a separate knob to select oven or broil?Just wondern’Kent
Re: A better stovetop toaster? Reply #42 – April 20, 2020, 02:11:44 am Quote from: Kent Heckethorn - April 19, 2020, 08:52:58 pmAre these LD’s with broilers OEM equipped from LD? Does the broiler require the ignition of a pilot light for the broiler and/or the oven? Is there a separate knob to select oven or broil?There is no separate broiler burner - to broil, you put items in the narrow gap UNDER the burner and turn the burner valve to 'Broil'. I don't know which model range the newer units have, but I suspect it works the same way. You couldn't broil a 1" thick steak using the broiler, but a 1/2" one would fit (or a split Sara Lee cinnamon-raisin bagel...)Steve
Re: A better stovetop toaster? Reply #43 – April 20, 2020, 02:53:40 am Quote from: Kent Heckethorn - April 19, 2020, 08:52:58 pmThe broiler in a LD is an interesting thing. Our ‘15 RB has no broiler. It’s interesting to think that the Mothership would include such an oven in older LD’s and not in later models. Are these LD’s with broilers OEM equipped from LD? Does the broiler require the ignition of a pilot light for the broiler and/or the oven? Is there a separate knob to select oven or broil? Just wondern’KentAll LDs built in the last 30+ years have used the same basic oven, AFAIK.The short area under the burner is what Atwood considers to a broiler and yes, it will work for toast but it's not tall enough for browning casseroles and broiling meat would make a mess of things. If it was possible to light the burner without getting down on one's knees to peer inside, to find and light the tiny pilot, it would be more useful for quick and short use. It's a pain to use and too much work, IMO, to use to make toast and that comes back to my original quest for a simple stovetop toaster. A stovetop toaster would also be useful for cooking outside where much of our cooking is done.This has been a nice discussion and a distraction while most of us sit at home wondering what the travel world is going to be like in the next year or two.Larry
Re: A better stovetop toaster? Reply #44 – April 20, 2020, 11:08:04 am "...a simple stovetop toaster."I have on the worktop of my 30' LD a four slice conventional electric toaster! Quite handy when I have shore power or can run the generator. I've toasted quite a number of English Muffins (my favorite), bagels and plain toast. Never had an inclination to use the oven.Now, at 8am, confined in my sticks & bricks as it were, I am about to fire up the Breville Toaster Oven and toast some E.M.s. When ready I'll slather them with butter, cream cheese or peanut butter and perhaps top them off with a slice of bacon. The dog, Cedar, always likes it when I make bacon! 4 Likes
Re: A better stovetop toaster? Reply #45 – April 20, 2020, 11:11:47 am Who knew that toast would be such a hot topic. People must be getting really bored, lol! 3 Likes
Re: A better stovetop toaster? Reply #46 – April 20, 2020, 02:04:55 pm Toast is the new coffee! 😜— Jon 2 Likes
Re: A better stovetop toaster? Reply #47 – April 21, 2020, 05:46:43 am Quote from: Jon & Loni - April 20, 2020, 02:04:55 pmToast is the new coffee! 😜— JonI will toast to that.
Re: A better stovetop toaster? Reply #48 – April 21, 2020, 05:05:17 pm Quote from: Sawyer - April 14, 2020, 09:50:31 amhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I2d45c60pt8 mmmmm....12-grain with a HINT of butane.
Re: A better stovetop toaster? Reply #49 – April 21, 2020, 05:32:09 pm Quote from: Larry W - April 15, 2020, 12:51:26 pmIMO, the most efficient way to make any type of heat in an RV is with propane, it's the cheapest, most dependable and least technological way of cooking, water heating and space heating plus our LDs come everything Factory installed, no need to install a large inverter and an upgraded electrical system. Other than a toaster, we have no requirements for large amounts of 120-VAC power, 12-volts takes care of the rest of our electrical needs, without the cost and inefficiencies of inverting battery power. KISS.The Japanese have all sorts of interesting kitchen tools that fold up and take little storage room, a consideration in the shorter LDs with considerably less available storage space than the 27' and 31' models. Found this toaster and it folds up smaller than any other one I have seen and will toast two pieces of bread at once. The downside, it's pricey. Still significantly cheaper than an electric toaster and large inverter. The search goes on.UniFlame Camping Equipment Cooker Fan Multi Roaster 660072 for sale online |...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtsVXOFzjJ0Uniflame Toaster • Adventure CuratedLarryI think this one does laundry too
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