Re: What's In Your Camera? Reply #625 – December 31, 2019, 02:54:53 pm I'm still waiting for a Lazy Daze to be added to the scene. 3 Likes
Re: What's In Your Camera? Reply #627 – December 31, 2019, 06:00:49 pm Very nice! My compliments to Bill and you! 2 Likes
Re: What's In Your Camera? Reply #629 – December 31, 2019, 06:15:49 pm Harold...I used slight PS tweaks to the original...slight sharpening on the elephant and let the detail in trees go black to frame up the composition...that's it.
Re: What's In Your Camera? Reply #630 – December 31, 2019, 08:19:29 pm Bill,My clumsy attempt at humor was only intended to reply to Chris' comment that if it had a Lazy Daze in it, it would have been a banner photo. Alice's addition was nicely done.Your photographs are beautiful and speak for themselves. I did not intend to imply that your shot had been manipulated in post.Harold 3 Likes
Re: What's In Your Camera? Reply #631 – December 31, 2019, 11:34:46 pm No worries Harold and no offense taken...I do feel that with the modern capabilities of digital photography photographers are shortchanging themselves if they stop their creative work at capture...and this coming from an old film guy...One photographer's "manipulation" is another photographer's palette... Bill 4 Likes
Re: What's In Your Camera? Reply #632 – January 01, 2020, 12:31:37 am Bill,In the mid 1930's, my dad worked summers in Yosemite, mostly at the Ahwahnee Hotel, and hung around Ansel Adams studio. Dad often remarked how impressed he was, not only by Adams' sense of composition with the large format camera, but the hours spent in the dark room to create just the right effect with his image. Some of my favorite memories are of time spent in the darkroom with my dad, and the magic that happens on the paper with dodging, burning and proper chemistry.Photoshop today is the darkroom of the past.Harold 5 Likes
Re: What's In Your Camera? Reply #633 – January 01, 2020, 11:20:52 pm Thank you Alice.Definition of photoshoptransitive verb: to alter (a digital image) with Photoshop software or other image-editing software especially in a way that distorts reality (as for deliberately deceptive purposes)I have long thought that 'photoshop' had a negative connotation which is pointed out by the definition from Merriam.Bill and Harold's comments got me to rethinking that. I remember a photography class's 'burning and dodging' in the darkroom. Ansel Adam's Moonrise, Hernandez, New Mexico comes to mind. Maybe we need another word to separate 'use of photoshop technologies for artistic purposes' from 'Politburo photo retouching to remove disappeared members from the canon' usages.Alice, the Lazydaze should be in the foreground. joel 2 Likes
Re: What's In Your Camera? Reply #634 – January 02, 2020, 10:23:17 am This debate has being going on since the very first image was put on paper .....Opinion: Ansel Adams Was More of a Chemist Than a PhotographerThe issue in my opinion is the problem of the tools and the believe we has in them. Let me explain .... if you believe that a camera (tool) and film (tool) creates a accurate representation of life then any manipulation of that representation is heresy. Problem is there has never been a camera, film, paper, or computer that has yet created a accurate representation of what it was/is pointing to. Life is three dimensional and very dynamic. Film/paper/computer screens are static and very a very limited color gamut. The first films we used was created in the film factories to respond to a range of light - not the whole range - as best seven steps of gray. As a photographer we pick a type of film to match the range we'd like to work in. Fast forward to today we have 'camera' that have ranges/steps of gray in the thousands. But it is still someone's or something's interpretation. I'm saying all this to say we photogs now have the same tools other artist have had for most of this creative life. We can now pick and choose what we want on our viewers to see or not see.glen 4 Likes
Re: What's In Your Camera? Reply #635 – January 02, 2020, 10:43:19 am "I'm saying all this to say we photogs now have the same tools other artist have had for most of this creative life. We can now pick and choose what we want on our viewers to see or not see."I've been taking pictures for nearly 70 years . . . my grandmother kindly loaned me her bellows camera - you know - the one where the black and white prints came out with deckled edges! ;-> And I was good and hooked for life.With the advent of Photoshop and the plethora of like opportunities to make one's output personalized, we do, indeed, now have the tools to do as we please with what we have captured. The "oil" apps to work on photos are particularly fun, as that is a medium that is totally opaque to me in its native format. Virtual hugs, Judie 3 Likes
Re: What's In Your Camera? Reply #636 – January 02, 2020, 02:19:33 pm I am loving this discussion....Bill 1 Likes
Re: What's In Your Camera? Reply #637 – January 02, 2020, 03:43:18 pm Quote from: joel wiley - January 01, 2020, 11:20:52 pmMaybe we need another word to separate 'use of photoshop technologies for artistic purposes' from 'Politburo photo retouching to remove disappeared members from the canon' usages.Joel, when I read that I burst out laughing and thought... maybe you and I are twins separated at birth!! LOVE IT!!
Re: What's In Your Camera? Reply #638 – January 02, 2020, 05:21:03 pm I’m with Judie Ashford on being fascinated by this discussion re photoshop. Do you want to know how to spot a photoshopped image?? It is very simple!! First, bear with me here a second ….. some historical background is called for.(((Among all the things I was required to learn in my time as a cop, the 2 most valuable and universally applicable, even after retirement, were; ‘EVOC TRAINING’ and ‘PHOTOSHOP FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT INVESTIGATION’. A great deal of their universally applicable and lasting efficacy was the result of being allowed to ‘figure it out on my own’. With EVOC that meant not being held responsible for any damage done to the vehicle needed to ‘figure it out on my own’. I was helmeted, padded, strapped in with a 5 point harness and turned loose to chase a fleeing vehicle through skid pans, hydroplaning, brake lock ups, hidden sharp turns, straight-aways, tunnel vision, surprise innocent civilian vehicles, dogs, children and speed bumps in the roadway…. and etcetera. The muscle memory learned in EVOC has kept me aliveWith Photoshop that meant creating my own fake evidence using that venue. (and learning all the current laws regarding the effect of Photoshop on photographic evidence, re – Law Enforcement). The skills learned in photoshop taught me how to identify a fake photo and to prove why, to the more credulous.)))In a nutshell, if you want to learn how to identify a photograph that has been ‘photoshopped’ all you have to do is make your own photoshopped images from photographs. TRY IT!! Photoshop a pic of your own LazyDaze into the photo of the African Elephant put up by Bill Benson. (to keep it simple use photoshop 5 or 6). 2 Likes
Re: What's In Your Camera? Reply #639 – January 03, 2020, 06:09:43 pm The Christmas Season is almost over and no one in the family was missed. With the rainy season upon us, we got some special slickers for the dogs. Here is a pic of two of them all “slicked” up. Gotta love pet clothes. 🎅🏻Kent 5 Likes
Re: What's In Your Camera? Reply #640 – January 03, 2020, 08:10:39 pm I first became aware of digital photo manipulation in 1985 when the July 1985 Whole Earth Review showed up with a photo of a flying saucer on it's cover, in downtown San Francisco. with the the title, "Digital retouching, the end of photography as evidence of anything" Whole Earth Review: Flying Saucers in San Francisco (No 47, July 1985):...My grandmother said never to believe anything you hear and only half of what you see.With photoshop, nothing is believable anymore. We do get some great art.Larry 2 Likes As an Amazon Associate Lazy Daze Owners' Group earns from qualifying purchases.
Re: What's In Your Camera? Reply #641 – January 03, 2020, 08:31:01 pm Quote from: Kent Heckethorn - January 03, 2020, 06:09:43 pmThe Christmas Season is almost over and no one in the family was missed. With the rainy season upon us, we got some special slickers for the dogs. Here is a pic of two of them all “slicked” up. Gotta love pet clothes. 🎅🏻KentAre those for real?Chris 1 Likes
Re: What's In Your Camera? Reply #642 – January 03, 2020, 10:11:58 pm Chris,Yes they are. They actually work well for the most part. One of the girls does well with the raincoat while the other girls will need a little more time getting used to theirs. Really cute all-in-all. Another Amazon find. Amazon.com: HAPEE Pet Dog Raincoat for Small Dogs | Dog Rain Jacket with...Can’t wait for more rain.Kent 2 Likes As an Amazon Associate Lazy Daze Owners' Group earns from qualifying purchases.
Re: What's In Your Camera? Reply #643 – January 04, 2020, 07:14:26 am Chris, for your neck of the woods (snow) you want dog sweaters and booties - for those days the cold turns the snow into crystals and it gets between dog toes. Before booties while in the Denver area, one of our poor pups would lay down and roll over with her paws in the air when her feet got too cold - laying in the cold snow of course. We would pick her up and carry her inside.We liked the leather booties, works great in the heat also - phoenix summer asphalt can blister dog paws.Picture attached - Not my dog but gives you an idea. 2 Likes
Re: What's In Your Camera? Reply #644 – January 04, 2020, 09:24:38 am <smile> I'm very sure the wolf genes in those cute dogs are dying of embarrassment ......glen
Re: What's In Your Camera? Reply #645 – January 04, 2020, 09:31:31 am And one more comment before we get too deep into photoshopping.There is a way to make sure a photo or voice or anything digital is an accurate and true. Basically without getting to deep into the weeds -- its all math. All a person has to do is put a Digital Signature on the object. At that point even if one (1) bit is changed from 0 to 1 or 1 to 0 the digital signature is removed.It will be my guess that in the near future we will have all 'important' images and speeches digitally signed.glen
Re: What's In Your Camera? Reply #646 – January 04, 2020, 03:58:06 pm Quote from: Jane and Scott - January 04, 2020, 07:14:26 amWe liked the leather booties, works great in the heat also - phoenix summer asphalt can blister dog paws.Tried the booties once. Dog loved them. When she was finished, she went back to her regular dog-chews. Joel 5 Likes
Re: What's In Your Camera? Reply #647 – January 04, 2020, 04:48:50 pm And, just to add a bit of spice to the Photoshop discussion, since those of us who use a JPEG format for our pictures ( instead of RAW files from the camera's sensor ) are accepting the editing of the information in the JPEG file as "acceptable" and the editing of information in Photoshop "unacceptable" ? 2 Likes
Re: What's In Your Camera? Reply #648 – January 04, 2020, 08:19:32 pm Bill, I have no idea what you are trying to say. Can you clarify? Thanks,Steve K.
Re: What's In Your Camera? Reply #649 – January 04, 2020, 09:29:03 pm Often, digital photographers choose to shoot in what is called a "JPEG" format. This is the most common format that digital photography is shared. But when a digital camera takes a picture using a JPEG file it is not what the camera actually "sees"...there is more information that comes through the lens and reaches the light recording part of the camera called the "sensor". "JPEG" files leave out much of what comes through the lens. My point in this discussion is that a computer chip is choosing what you see in a JPEG file, which is a "compressed" file, where some information the camera recorded is left out. So the idea that you are rendering reality with a camera, especially if you shoot in a JPEG format, is faulty from the start... you are allowing a computer to thrown out some information of what event the camera sensor "sees". A "RAW" file format refers to all the information the camera records... closer to how our eye sees, but not ,in fact, the same. The presumption that a camera records "reality", if reality is defined as the way our eye sees the world, is flawed from the start. To add some food for thought ...some of my photographer friends believe that Photoshop can actually come closer to rendering "reality"..... if put in skilled hands... 2 Likes
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