15 amp, 12 volt Outlet September 05, 2019, 03:32:31 pm I have spent the last 2 hours trying to find a replacement outlet with not luck. Any help would be greatly appreciated.1989 LD. All I can provide are these Pics.
Re: 15 amp, 12 volt Outlet Reply #1 – September 05, 2019, 03:43:14 pm Quote from: Mindispower - September 05, 2019, 03:32:31 pmI have spent the last 2 hours trying to find a replacement outlet with not luck. Any help would be greatly appreciated.1989 LD. All I can provide are these Pics.I assume you intended to write 15-amp, 120-volt. The photos show the 120-VAC outlet in the refrigerator compartment.15 and 20-amp, 120-VAC receptacles are available at any hardware store or home center.Leviton 15 Amp Residential Grade Grounding Duplex Outlet, White (10-Pack)-M24...This receptacle connects the wires using either the screw terminals or the spring-loaded holes in the rear.Larry
Re: 15 amp, 12 volt Outlet Reply #2 – September 05, 2019, 03:54:19 pm Quote from: Larry W - September 05, 2019, 03:43:14 pmI assume you intended to write 15-amp, 120-volt. The photos show the 120-VAC outlet in the refrigerator compartment.15 and 20-amp, 120-VAC receptacles are available at any hardware store or home center.Leviton 15 Amp Residential Grade Grounding Duplex Outlet, White (10-Pack)-M24...This receptacle connects the wires using either the screw terminals or the spring-loaded holes in the rear.LarryYes, 15 amp. Thanks Larry.
Re: 15 amp, 12 volt Outlet Reply #3 – September 05, 2019, 03:56:03 pm Quote from: Mindispower - September 05, 2019, 03:54:19 pmYes, 15 amp. Thanks Larry. What is stumping me is the 12 volt stamped on the unit. Is it OK to use a 125 volt?
Re: 15 amp, 12 volt Outlet Reply #4 – September 05, 2019, 04:07:31 pm Quote from: Mindispower - September 05, 2019, 03:56:03 pmWhat is stumping me is the 12 volt stamped on the unit. Is it OK to use a 125 volt? Maybe the zero isn't visible anymore. it's a normal, household receptacle, nothing special here . 125-volt is fine. A 20-amp receptacle will work fine too.Larry
Re: 15 amp, 12 volt Outlet Reply #5 – September 05, 2019, 04:11:26 pm Quote from: Larry W - September 05, 2019, 04:07:31 pmMaybe the zero isn't visible anymore. it's a normal, household receptacle, nothing special here . 125-volt is fine. A 20-amp receptacle will work fine too.LarryThanks Larry. 1 Likes
Re: 15 amp, 12 volt Outlet Reply #6 – September 06, 2019, 12:11:52 pm You might be wired like our fridge outlet. We have 22v on one of the outlet and 12v on the other. Obviously the original fridge was a 3 way (propane, 12v, 120v). It took me a bit to figure out as originally I thought the one ourtlet was just not hooked up (testing with 120v) until I tested again and the voltmeter had been left on DC setting.A voltmeter would tell you for sure. If yours is wires the same as ours, be very sure to duplicate the wiring exactly. A standard 120v outlet part would work fine (could handle both voltages). Hmm I was going to suggest marking your and thought I should mark mine (for the next owner) - putting that on my todo list.JaneSent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
Re: 15 amp, 12 volt Outlet Reply #7 – September 06, 2019, 01:43:40 pm Quote from: Jane and Scott - September 06, 2019, 12:11:52 pmYou might be wired like our fridge outlet. We have 12v on one of the outlet and 120v on the other. quote]Looking at the second photo above, you can see the recepticle's breakout tab, that when removed isolates the top and bottom plugs, is still intact.Both the top and bottom plugs are wired for 120-VAC.Larry 1 Likes
Re: 15 amp, 12 volt Outlet Reply #8 – September 06, 2019, 03:28:02 pm Larry - good catch - I was on my phone and not seeing pictures. Double outlets do need that slight modification to separate them into two separate outlets. JaneSent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
Re: 15 amp, 12 volt Outlet Reply #9 – September 06, 2019, 04:07:35 pm I do not intend to give offense here but, if the original poster thought that was a 12v outlet, that person does not have enough understanding of or experience with electrical work to safely do a replacement. It is too easy for them to hurt themselves, to damage their rig, or to cause other mayhem. Electrical systems are fine, as long as everything is done right. If you do something wrong, the result can be rather dramatic.So, I urge you to find someone who is comfortable with electrical work to help. If y ou want to do it yourself, have them looking over your shoulder. Don't risk a mistake on this.Ken F in WY 2 Likes
Re: 15 amp, 12 volt Outlet Reply #10 – September 06, 2019, 04:24:36 pm Quote from: Kenneth Fears - September 06, 2019, 04:07:35 pmI do not intend to give offense here but, if the original poster thought that was a 12v outlet, that person does not have enough understanding of or experience with electrical work to safely do a replacement. It is too easy for them to hurt themselves, to damage their rig, or to cause other mayhem. Electrical systems are fine, as long as everything is done right. If you do something wrong, the result can be rather dramatic.So, I urge you to find someone who is comfortable with electrical work to help. If y ou want to do it yourself, have them looking over your shoulder. Don't risk a mistake on this.Ken F in WYNone taken. It was 15 amp and 125. Missed digit. I have succeeded in replacing it myself. Trust me, I did due diligence before replacing it.Still have no power to two lights. Beginning to think they have no supply. My suspicion is that they were never hooked up.
Re: 15 amp, 12 volt Outlet Reply #11 – September 06, 2019, 04:27:14 pm "Double outlets do need that slight modification to separate them into two separate outlets. "Someone might do that with the same voltage in order to have a device plugged in to one of the receptacle outlets that always has power available (a table or night lamp with a switch), and the other outlet that can be controlled from a wall switch. I can't imagine separating the outlets and putting different voltages to each. That would require both devices being supplied power, whatever their voltage might be, to have a 120 volt plug end. A recipe for disaster in my opinion. I agree with Ken. If one doesn't have a clear understanding of what they are doing or the implications, find a friend or pro that does. Bill 2 Likes
Re: 15 amp, 12 volt Outlet Reply #12 – September 06, 2019, 05:27:11 pm Ken F - I agree, electricity is to be respected.Why it wasn't clear ours was a 12v and a 120v - the outlet looked just like any other one double outlet in the rig (or an older house - not a new tamper proof one).So a warning to people who have an older RV - check your fridge outlet to be sure what it is. In many LDs, it is in the back of the fridge accessed from the outside.I always pull out the voltmeter first thing - to make sure the item really has no electricity to it before I touch it or even get within a couple inches (even if all the power is turned off). Also to test it if it is on. This helps to stay safe and figure out what is going on.Jane 1 Likes
Re: 15 amp, 12 volt Outlet Reply #13 – September 06, 2019, 05:59:21 pm Did I mis-read something above? Was it suggested that perhaps one part of that outlet was 12vDC and the other part 120vAC?Providing both 12vDC and 120vAC in one fixture using a 120v duplex outlet with the upper and lower separated is a major violation of standards. It would require using a 120v plug for the 12v device to use it, and the chance of plugging the 12v device into the 120v side would be great. It would also be quite exciting. I simply cannot believe that a 120v duplex outlet is wired with one side 12vDC and the other side 120vAC.Ken F in WY 1 Likes
Re: 15 amp, 12 volt Outlet Reply #14 – September 06, 2019, 05:59:55 pm Quote from: Jane and Scott - September 06, 2019, 05:27:11 pm.Why it wasn't clear ours was a 12v and a 120v - the outlet looked just like any other one double outlet in the rig (or an older house - not a new tamper proof one).This is a new one to me, it should be a crime to mix voltages and keep the same size plugs. Who ever did that had no idea of what is right, legal and lethal. It certainly was not done by the Mothership.Larry 3 Likes
Re: 15 amp, 12 volt Outlet Reply #15 – September 07, 2019, 12:00:22 am Ken, Bill, and Larry - I agree that it is a poor design to have 12v and 120v mixed in a double outlet.Remember we have an old 89tk - I would guess it is original, well at least it looks like the rest of the outlets inside the LD (dark brown and old).Outlets also were just stuck in a hole in the cabinet (not inside a gang box), typically screwing a screw at the top and bottom of the double outlet directly into wood. Again throughout the LD insides (the ones I have replaced so far - all are getting replaced and put in gang-boxes, all are on the list to be done). I want it right - don't skimp on electrical stuff.Yes our LD didn't follow electrical code for 1989, but then RVs were not required to follow codes. It was nice to see the OP pictures showed outlets in an electrical box.I have not seen a three way fridge, I was guessing the plug looked the same and you just changed where it was plugged into - so it went to the voltage you wanted to use. But maybe there is some 12v wiring I have not seen yet.Someone else might know how the 89 3 way refrigerators were wired. I should separate that outlet into one 120v and one proper 12v outlet to help the next owner. On my list now.JaneSent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
Re: 15 amp, 12 volt Outlet Reply #16 – September 07, 2019, 12:05:56 am "I always pull out the voltmeter first thing - to make sure the item really has no electricity to it before I touch it or even get within a couple inches (even if all the power is turned off)."That's the way to do it, Jane. Good for you!Here's another tool that I find very handy: a contactless AC voltage probe. It lights up and/or buzzes when the tip is brought within half an inch or so of an AC wire, outlet, or connection of any sort. There are lots of these on the market--your local hardware store probably has several choices.I always use one of these to triple-check any AC circuit I'm going to work on, to make sure the power is really off. But it also lets me sniff out AC in a live setup without risking contact--these probes are all-plastic with no metal parts. Just by running it along wires and breakers, I can see where power is flowing and where it's interrupted, without having to use voltmeter probes and risk slipping and shorting out something. Only works with AC, but it can really speed up troubleshooting. As an Amazon Associate Lazy Daze Owners' Group earns from qualifying purchases.
Re: 15 amp, 12 volt Outlet Reply #17 – September 07, 2019, 12:15:47 am "I agree that it is a poor design to have 12v and 120v mixed in a double outlet."I didn't know Lazy Daze had ever done this, and I agree that it's a very dangerous practice. But I can guess at a possible reason. I've read that in the old days (Thirties, Forties, probably Fifties), many RVs had light fixtures that took standard Edison-base bulbs, but the bulbs could be 12 V ones. (In fact, you can still buy these--do a Google search for '12v Edison base bulb'.) I'm guessing maybe the purpose of a dual 120V/12V outlet was so that when the rig was plugged in, you could switch bulbs from 12 V to 120 V and then move your lamp plug to the appropriate outlet.Needless to say, this scheme was fraught with danger. Anybody who has a standard household outlet that's wired to 12 V on one side ought to get it rewired pronto. As Jane said, "I want it right - don't skimp on electrical stuff." Amen.
Re: 15 amp, 12 volt Outlet Reply #18 – September 07, 2019, 01:26:23 am I want to make it clear the only place that we have the mixed outlet is the fridge outlet - outside of rig, inside the bin to service the fridge.That is why I thought maybe it was put in for a 3-way fridge.JaneSent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
Re: 15 amp, 12 volt Outlet Reply #19 – September 07, 2019, 03:22:10 am Below are some photos of the 12V DC power lines connecting to my 3-way fridge in my previous 1987 MP. They are the red, green, and blue wires. The red and green were really big wires. You can also see where it is separably plugged into the 120 volt electrical outlet. 12V DC power had it own heating element in the chimney. This was the back of my 3-way fridge in my 1987 MP right before I changed out the cooling unit in it last fall.JohnF2003 T/K
Re: 15 amp, 12 volt Outlet Reply #20 – September 07, 2019, 09:29:47 am John, 3 way refrigerators do use both 12vDC and 120vAC as heating sources but, as shown in your photo, the 120vAC supply typically plugs into a conventional outlet. The 12vDC supply is separately wired in. It does NOT use a 120vAC style plug to connect to a 120vAC style receptacle that is wired with 12vDC, unless someone who is clueless about electrical systems did such an aftermarket change themselves. Further, if you DO have a 12vDC input that is using a 120vAC plug to connect to a matching receptacle, you really ought to get a competent service person to fix that.Ken F in WY
Re: 15 amp, 12 volt Outlet Reply #21 – September 07, 2019, 11:11:32 am Quote from: JohnF - September 07, 2019, 03:22:10 amBelow are some photos of the 12V DC power lines connecting to my 3-way fridge in my previous 1987 MP. They are the red, green, and blue wires. The red and green were really big wires. You can also see where it is separably plugged into the 120 volt electrical outlet. In the photos, you can see the 12-volt, 10-gauge red and green wires coming out of the floor of the refrigerator compartment, they do not plug into the 120-VAC receptacle .Our 1983 LD's 3-way refrigerator was wired the same way.As Ken pointed out, the wire plugged into the 120-volt receptacle is used only to power the 120-volt heater.Larry
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